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#1 gandor

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:52 PM

ive been playing my best golf ever and im on my lowest handicap(8) ever right now...broke 80 6x(78,79,76,79,79,78) in my last 20 rounds. just had 3 consecutive under 80(76,79,79) then a hiccup of 88 and last sunday a 78. i think my strongest part of my game right now is anything inside 115yrds. i rarely miss the green in this distance. also, im averaging almost no 3 putts with the rounds i broke 80. another big part of my game is my 3w-3i off the tee on short par 4s. i dont take the driver out anymore if the hole is 400yrds or less. my next goal now is to get to at least 5hc. so for you guys low handicappers...what is the strongest part of your game and what do you think i need to improve on to get to my goal of 5hc or better? thanks

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:04 PM

Sounds like you are well on your way to scratch Gandor! Congratulations!
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:10 PM

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Sounds like you are well on your way to scratch Gandor! Congratulations!

Thanks! im trying religiously to keep the momentum going by going to the range at least 2x a week on weekdays after work and play once a week on weekends.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:16 PM

I think you might be asking the wrong question. In order to shave off that last few strokes, the right question is what is the weakest part of the game? that's where you lose the strokes.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:18 PM

How far do you hit your driver? If it is farther than 280, i be trying to hit it on every par 4 to give yourself a 115 in club ehich you said is ur best part of ur game.

The best part of my game is my distance off the tee, my short game, and my ability to read greens. I'd also add my imagination, i will see lines off and ways to play shots around the green nobody else would think of.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:36 PM

View Postmister2cool, on 12 September 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

I think you might be asking the wrong question. In order to shave off that last few strokes, the right question is what is the weakest part of the game? that's where you lose the strokes.

you might be right but also im trying to get a sense of what most of the low handicappers strongest game which i think is what contributes more to their game. i know my weakness is my long irons. my driver is decent but not great. with decent i meant im not the guy who miss the fairway that goes to the other fairway.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:37 PM

I have to say its putting. Not 3 putting is a great start, but to go low you have to start making more 1 putts for birdie and to save par. Work on alignment, tempo, and confidence with the 5 footers.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:42 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 12 September 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

How far do you hit your driver? If it is farther than 280, i be trying to hit it on every par 4 to give yourself a 115 in club ehich you said is ur best part of ur game.

The best part of my game is my distance off the tee, my short game, and my ability to read greens. I'd also add my imagination, i will see lines off and ways to play shots around the green nobody else would think of.

i hit my 3 wood (250-260) off the tee and about 10yrds less off the deck. my driver (265-275) and once in a while a good hit of 285-290. i use my 3i(230) off tee on 350yrds or less and gives me a pw or gap wedge approach which im comfortable enough to hit the green..then with 400yrds hole i use my 3w which gives me an 8-9 iron approach which is still not too bad.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:46 PM

My best part = course management
Once you get close to scratch the most important part is not just GIR stats, but proximity to hole.
Making birdies is key.

That first, then pitching/chipping/putting stats
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:48 PM

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I have to say its putting. Not 3 putting is a great start, but to go low you have to start making more 1 putts for birdie and to save par. Work on alignment, tempo, and confidence with the 5 footers.

its what im working on right now in putting...my issues is always coming up short on my birdie putts..i think it creeps in my head not to go pass the hole and have a come back putts of 3 or 5 footers. an easy 2 putt par comes up to my mind is better than a birdie miss and make 3 putts for bogey...SMDH

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:50 PM

1) never 3 putting
2) getting up and down more than 50% of the time
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:51 PM

Strongest is very few penalties and lots of FW % hit.  However, I only average 230 off the tee, but hit in the range 70-80% FW on a monthly basis.    Make very few doubles.  Last 10 rounds: 14% birdies, 53% pars, 29% bogies and 4% doubles.  That equates to 0.22 strokes over par per hole on average.

Weakest part is I don't hit it long, so long par 4s are an issue, and in fact, I score higher relative to par on par 4s (0.25 strokes) vs par 3s (0.20).

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:52 PM

View PostDsevans8, on 12 September 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

I have to say its putting. Not 3 putting is a great start, but to go low you have to start making more 1 putts for birdie and to save par. Work on alignment, tempo, and confidence with the 5 footers.

I'm a 4 HC, play 8-12 times a year and hit the range maybe that many times.

From Best to worst
1. Course management
2. 40-130 yards out. 85+% greens in this range when in the FW
3. 130-180 yards out. 65+% greens in this range when in the FW
4. Off the tee. I've also instituted club selection guidelines...basically whatever comfortably gets me into #2 range - while also in the fairway. FW % is getting much better (pushing 50%)
5. Mental game. Periodically reviewing the PGA averages from distances (Rory Sabbatini and Sneds are in a tie for best approach from 125-150yrds @ 20'1". Rory Mac is DFL at 31'2") helps a LOT
6. Sand Play
7. Short Game
8. Putting. I don't play or practice enough to be consistent. Average 34-36 putts a round. I recently shot 75 with 39 putts...
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:54 PM

Consistency.  I hit relatively few really poor shots.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:00 PM

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My best part = course management
Once you get close to scratch the most important part is not just GIR stats, but proximity to hole.
Making birdies is key.

That first, then pitching/chipping/putting stats

Thanks i think this is one of the key i need to work on too...right now i only average around 1-2 birdies per round. max is usually 3.
what do you think the average proximity to the hole with mid irons for scratch players?

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:07 PM

View Postgandor, on 12 September 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

View PostAtrayn, on 12 September 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

My best part = course management
Once you get close to scratch the most important part is not just GIR stats, but proximity to hole.
Making birdies is key.

That first, then pitching/chipping/putting stats

Thanks i think this is one of the key i need to work on too...right now i only average around 1-2 birdies per round. max is usually 3.
what do you think the average proximity to the hole with mid irons for scratch players?

Right now on the PGA tour the mid ranked players are at 36ft.
Last is 40 ft.

A scratch player probably 50ish?

Remember, this counts missed greens.

Edit - this stat is not just mid-irons it's all approach shots

Edited by Atrayn, 12 September 2017 - 03:09 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:22 PM

View PostAtrayn, on 12 September 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

View Postgandor, on 12 September 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

View PostAtrayn, on 12 September 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

My best part = course management
Once you get close to scratch the most important part is not just GIR stats, but proximity to hole.
Making birdies is key.

That first, then pitching/chipping/putting stats

Thanks i think this is one of the key i need to work on too...right now i only average around 1-2 birdies per round. max is usually 3.
what do you think the average proximity to the hole with mid irons for scratch players?

Right now on the PGA tour the mid ranked players are at 36ft.
Last is 40 ft.

A scratch player probably 50ish?

Remember, this counts missed greens.

Edit - this stat is not just mid-irons it's all approach shots

Here's the PGA website, breaks it down by ranges and FWY/ROUGH.

http://www.pgatour.c...s.RAPP_INQ.html

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:24 PM

to me, a sub 5 HC is a golfer that is able to play all of the shots required to score. you can't have a blinding weakness. every round you'll have a new leak to plug but if you know how and have played all the shots at some point then that knowledge and experience will keep your score from blowing up. even on a horrific ball striking day you should be able to get around the course in 80 strokes.

it really comes down to playing more golf, not fearing any shot/situation on the course, and getting that experience under your belt

to answer the direct question - best part of my game, currently, is driving (distance and consistency)

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:12 PM

I'm usually around a 4-5 HCP. I average about 7 GIRs. Iron play is weak. Inside 100 yards? Terrible. I'll hit the green, but it's probably not that close. Strength of my game is driving, chipping, putting.

Oh yeah: and I'll hit driver whenever I can. I don't lay up to distances. That's for good players and I'm not that dialed in.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:17 PM

Ball striking, no matter how you slice or dice things, off the green comes down to ball striking.

Can't keep it on the fairway?
Can't hit it far?
Can't avoid penalties?
Can't execute course management plan?
Can't hit greens?
Can't miss on the correct side?
Can't get close to the hole?

Better ball striking solves all of that.
The better you are at that, the better your scores will be.

Get good at holing inside 15feet

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:21 PM

Laying up to a yardage is for good players.

Give that man a coconut, you got to be good or very committed to effectively lay up to a yardage instead of just getting as close as possible.

Key there was being effective, everyone could hit hybrid to leave 115 instead of driver to leave 75, but how many would score more effectively on avergae doing so? Only the ones that are dialled in with wedges, who interestingly enough would also be dialled in from 75!

Just get dialled in man!
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:01 PM

When I am playing well

Strengths
Iron distance control from SW to 6 iron.
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I am a tremendous two putter hence the name OPB. Putts per GIR is right around 1.95 -1.96


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Lack of one putts (see above strength)
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I played the same course last weekend that was my last round before taking a 2 month break. Difference in well struck drives was nearly 50 yards. Not that I gained yardage I was just hitting the ball so poorly driver was going 200 if that

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:06 PM

If I'm scoring well, I'm hitting it well off the tee. I don't necessarily have to find the fairway, but as long as I keep the ball in play while hitting ~95% of my max distance (with whatever club I've chosen to hit), then I'll likely shoot +5 or better.

Interestingly, although my putting is still not what I'd consider "good," it's definitely become a relative strength of my game. This year, I'm averaging 31.54 putts per round, which is nearly 1 full stroke better than last year. Combine this with 0.59 more GIR per round, and you get lower scores.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:20 PM

Chipping and putting.  I'm not a long hitter.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:41 PM

I average 281 according to game golf and I putt pretty well.

Those two things have got me from a 5 cap for 10 years to a 2 cap this year.

Next year I dial up wedges and get it to scratch.


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:58 PM

View Postpearsonified, on 12 September 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

If I'm scoring well, I'm hitting it well off the tee. I don't necessarily have to find the fairway, but as long as I keep the ball in play while hitting ~95% of my max distance (with whatever club I've chosen to hit), then I'll likely shoot +5 or better.

Interestingly, although my putting is still not what I'd consider "good," it's definitely become a relative strength of my game. This year, I'm averaging 31.54 putts per round, which is nearly 1 full stroke better than last year. Combine this with 0.59 more GIR per round, and you get lower scores.

I'm totally with you on this realization. I play with a lot of guys of various handicaps and you can generally tell the scoring ability of the guys by how well they drive the ball over the course of 18 (14) holes. I don't think I know any low handicaps that can't get off the tee well.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:11 PM

1. keeping the ball in play. I don't get myself in much trouble (i give up some distance to do this)
2. putting. I don't make allot of bombs but I super solid lag putter and deadly inside 4 feet. This may not sound that impressive, but it is.
3. wedges inside 100

My sand game is complete rubbish, luckily the rest of my game is sold enough that I can actually just manage my targets to keep the sand out of play. If I didn't have this Achilles heal I am sure I could be a better player, but I am currently a 2 and happy with that.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:30 AM

Ball striking, good off the tee, 70-80% GIR%...all my blunders are greenside but I'll put that off until my ball striking is perfect

Bad lies tend to really mess me up too

Biggest thing this season was learning how to dial in my wedges

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:08 AM

Chipping and putting. Because if I'm doing those well I can take more chances and go at pins.

When I was chipping/ putting poorly, I'd have to always aim for the middle of the greens and play safe

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:18 AM

View Postpearsonified, on 12 September 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

If I'm scoring well, I'm hitting it well off the tee. I don't necessarily have to find the fairway, but as long as I keep the ball in play while hitting ~95% of my max distance (with whatever club I've chosen to hit), then I'll likely shoot +5 or better.

Interestingly, although my putting is still not what I'd consider "good," it's definitely become a relative strength of my game. This year, I'm averaging 31.54 putts per round, which is nearly 1 full stroke better than last year. Combine this with 0.59 more GIR per round, and you get lower scores.

It's so difficult to shoot a good score if you're not starting from a good position. Obviously, you need a little bit of everything to get under 5, but sooner or later scrambling to make par is going to take a toll.

I've actually changed how I track my driving stats for this reason. I have a lot of rounds where on paper it looks like I drove the ball terrible, but I was actually putting myself in pretty good places for my approaches. Conversely, my home course has a fair number of trees, and there are several holes where hitting the fairway in the wrong spot leaves you blocked out or requires you to really work the ball to hit the green. Now I just (subjectively, of course) asses whether my drive (including the lie it puts me in if I am in the rough) gave me a reasonable shot at hitting the green or not. I've found this method to give me a much better indication of how my driving is impacting my overall scoring.

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