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#1 FlyingLaw1

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:58 PM

Hi Everyone,

I'm really kinda stuck and really need some advice...

My situation is this... 6 weeks ago I got new irons. Switched from Ping Anser to the Mizuno JPX 900 forged (C Taper S 120 +1"). The Mizzy's are stronger than my Pings were and as a result my Ping Crossover 4 barely goes further than my 5 iron. My 5 iron gets out to about 205-210 where the Crossover goes about 210-215. My next club is a 5 wood that I hit about 235-245. On top of that I've never been in love with the Ping--mostly the feel the thing makes on contact.

My question is... What do you all recommend I replace the Crossover with? I'm stuck between a more traditional long iron and a players hybrid. I'm an accomplished player but I sometimes need at least a little forgiveness. I've strongly considered getting the MP-18 Fli Hi when it comes out--I'll at least be trying one out. I also really value feel. I'm not opposed to going back to a hybrid but I dumped my i15 because I couldn't control the ball flight and I had a tendency to hook the crap out of it. Lastly, I'll need something that I can use in all sorts of situations--off the tee, fairway, and rough.

What do you all think? Where should I be focusing my research?

Edited by FlyingLaw1, 05 October 2017 - 10:20 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:49 AM

If you are hitting your 5 iron like that, I would add a 4 iron.  That's what I would do.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:27 AM

View PostCarvallo Golf, on 12 September 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

If you are hitting your 5 iron like that, I would add a 4 iron.  That's what I would do.

I've thought about that, too. I'd really like a little more forgiveness in the longer club though.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:38 AM

7 wood, 4 hybrid, or 4 iron.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:15 PM

View PostFlyingLaw1, on 12 September 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

View PostCarvallo Golf, on 12 September 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

If you are hitting your 5 iron like that, I would add a 4 iron.  That's what I would do.

I've thought about that, too. I'd really like a little more forgiveness in the longer club though.

What irons do you play now?  There are plenty of alternatives in stock irons(look at different models long irons for better forgiveness T-MB, P790), utility irons, hybrid irons, hybrids, etc.  I choose based on my preferences and how the club is going to fit into my bag.

Maybe you just need a loft adjustment on the Ping Crossover(not sure if possible).

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:36 PM

View PostCarvallo Golf, on 12 September 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

View PostFlyingLaw1, on 12 September 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

View PostCarvallo Golf, on 12 September 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

If you are hitting your 5 iron like that, I would add a 4 iron.  That's what I would do.

I've thought about that, too. I'd really like a little more forgiveness in the longer club though.

What irons do you play now?  There are plenty of alternatives in stock irons(look at different models long irons for better forgiveness T-MB, P790), utility irons, hybrid irons, hybrids, etc.  I choose based on my preferences and how the club is going to fit into my bag.

Maybe you just need a loft adjustment on the Ping Crossover(not sure if possible).

I'm playing JPX 900 Forged with C taper S (hard stepped) in +1". I've thought about changing the loft on my Ping but with the new MP-18 Fli Hi coming out I'm going to give that a close look. I'd really like something with more feel as well, the Ping just feels a little too clunky for me.

Unfortunately I live in an area where there aren't many good options for demo-ing and getting fit for new clubs. One of the benefits of the Mizzy for me is that there is a shop here that has all the demo and shafts and even has a trackman.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:23 AM

Hi All,

After thinking about this for a while... I think I've decided to do the following...

Since the Adams Dhy is so cheap I'm going to try to pick up one in 21 degrees to use as a 4 iron.

I'm also going to look at getting the Titleist 716 T-MB but need some help with the shaft and Loft... My 5 iron is a JPX 900 f with a C-Taper S +1" and is 24 degrees. The T-MB 4 iron is 23 degrees and the 3 iron is 20. Should I look at the 4 or the 3? I was thinking the 3 with a standard length shaft would be a really good fairway finder. Thanks!

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

maybe consider finding a wishon fitter and testing out a 590DIH in a 21*?

http://wishongolf.co...-driving-irons/

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:02 PM

View PostFlyingLaw1, on 05 October 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

Hi All,

After thinking about this for a while... I think I've decided to do the following...

Since the Adams Dhy is so cheap I'm going to try to pick up one in 21 degrees to use as a 4 iron.

I'm also going to look at getting the Titleist 716 T-MB but need some help with the shaft and Loft... My 5 iron is a JPX 900 f with a C-Taper S +1" and is 24 degrees. The T-MB 4 iron is 23 degrees and the 3 iron is 20. Should I look at the 4 or the 3? I was thinking the 3 with a standard length shaft would be a really good fairway finder. Thanks!

go with the 3 iron, tweak the loft as needed.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:20 PM

I am a long iron guy.  But it depends on how "you" want to use the club.  If you play in a lot of regional tournaments, big yardages, and need a high/soft landing club, long iron might not be the answer.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:35 PM

View Postgeochitown, on 05 October 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

maybe consider finding a wishon fitter and testing out a 590DIH in a 21*?

http://wishongolf.co...-driving-irons/

Thanks! Hadn't considered wishon. I'll have to check them out.

View PostCarvallo Golf, on 05 October 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

View PostFlyingLaw1, on 05 October 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:



go with the 3 iron, tweak the loft as needed.

That is what I was leaning too as well.

View PostPepperturbo, on 05 October 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

I am a long iron guy.  But it depends on how "you" want to use the club.  If you play in a lot of regional tournaments, big yardages, and need a high/soft landing club, long iron might not be the answer.

I use my current Ping Crossover G 4 iron all over the place... Off the tee on longer par 3s. Out of the rough. Out of the fairway. The one place I don't use it is off the tee on par 4s. I have a 5 wood that I use for that purpose. I do have a pretty high ball flight so I really steer away from Hybrids-- I just can't control them. However I do value some forgiveness and feel.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:53 PM

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I use my current Ping Crossover G 4 iron all over the place... Off the tee on longer par 3s. Out of the rough. Out of the fairway. The one place I don't use it is off the tee on par 4s. I have a 5 wood that I use for that purpose. I do have a pretty high ball flight so I really steer away from Hybrids-- I just can't control them. However I do value some forgiveness and feel.

I tried hybrids but never felt comfortable with their look or graphite.  I like steel, heavier weight and long irons and mid-trajectory; plus they work with my quick tempo, transition and hands at impact and dispersion is minimal.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:14 PM

If the Dhy doesn't work, then I'd try the 4 iron from the set or the new Fli-Hi.  The 4 iron Fli-Hi has a little less offset than your current 5 iron, and is 22 degree compared to the 4 iron for your set being 21 degrees.  I don't think the 1 degree difference would matter as much as which one you like the look of better.  If you'd like a little less offset than your current 5 iron, then I'd go with the Fli-Hi, but if you want it to blend with your set offset wise, then I'd go with the 4 iron from the set.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:20 PM

I just picked up a hardly used mizuno mp-h5 2 iron to use on windy days instead of my hybrid. I hit it about 225-235 and is perfect in the wind.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:21 PM

View PostPeanut191, on 05 October 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

If the Dhy doesn't work, then I'd try the 4 iron from the set or the new Fli-Hi.  The 4 iron Fli-Hi has a little less offset than your current 5 iron, and is 22 degree compared to the 4 iron for your set being 21 degrees.  I don't think the 1 degree difference would matter as much as which one you like the look of better.  If you'd like a little less offset than your current 5 iron, then I'd go with the Fli-Hi, but if you want it to blend with your set offset wise, then I'd go with the 4 iron from the set.

I'm still considering the Fli-Hi. I just can't find a place where I can demo the longer clubs (only the 6). I suppose I can just order one and sell it if I don't like it....

I'll probably steer away from the set 4 iron as I haven't carried a set 4 in many years now. From the 5 iron to the 4 I really start to value more forgiveness than the set 4 would probably offer. I wonder if the Titliest T-MB will be more like a set 4 than the more "improvement" club that I'm seeking?

Edited by FlyingLaw1, 05 October 2017 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:22 PM

View PostPepperturbo, on 05 October 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

View PostFlyingLaw1, on 05 October 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

I use my current Ping Crossover G 4 iron all over the place... Off the tee on longer par 3s. Out of the rough. Out of the fairway. The one place I don't use it is off the tee on par 4s. I have a 5 wood that I use for that purpose. I do have a pretty high ball flight so I really steer away from Hybrids-- I just can't control them. However I do value some forgiveness and feel.

I tried hybrids but never felt comfortable with their look or graphite.  I like steel, heavier weight and long irons and mid-trajectory; plus they work with my quick tempo, transition and hands at impact and dispersion is minimal.

I agree. I'm really quick as well. I haven't really even considered a hybrid based on my past experiences.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:19 PM

Anyone have a strong opinion on the MP-H5??

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 06:33 AM

Why not try a crossover 3 (original, or the g400 is supposed to feel quite a bit better) if you’ve liked your 4 crossover?

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:50 AM

The two clubs have 10 yard gap, and I don't believe they'll have the same flight trajectory ?
One should have more rolling out, right ?

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:41 PM

View PostDr.Frankenputz, on 08 October 2017 - 06:33 AM, said:

Why not try a crossover 3 (original, or the g400 is supposed to feel quite a bit better) if you've liked your 4 crossover?

I've thought about it... But I think I'd rather move toward something with a little more compact head. The Crossover is reallly bid and odd looking. I'm also pretty fed up with the way it looks and sounds (to me)....It doesn't feel any better.

View Postwkuo3, on 09 October 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

The two clubs have 10 yard gap, and I don't believe they'll have the same flight trajectory ?
One should have more rolling out, right ?

The crossover is quite a bit higher. If I hit my 5 iron and my 4 crossover in the fairway the two would probably end up going just about the same total distance.... The 5 would run more. Since I got my Crossover last year I've really decided that I need more of a driving iron that I can get into the fairway but that also has some feel. The only thing I worry about with getting such a club is stopping power on the greens... I guess I can't really have it both ways?


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 05:33 PM

yeah it's tough to find the perfect club to do both, so i threw 2 of them in the bag.  tried almost every low lofted driving iron out there, and decided to put 2 in the bag.  currently using jpx 850 forged irons and added a callaway apex ut for a more "iron" feel and better turf interaction.  also fell in love with the UDI so much i kept that in the bag for tee shots.  i know not every club fits everyone's swing, but i am amazed at how far that club can hit a golf ball lol.

i found them both extremely forgiving.  the UT gives me a higher ball flight and lands soft while the UDI is just a flat out bomber.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:45 PM

View Posttheironhorse, on 09 October 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

yeah it's tough to find the perfect club to do both, so i threw 2 of them in the bag.  tried almost every low lofted driving iron out there, and decided to put 2 in the bag.  currently using jpx 850 forged irons and added a callaway apex ut for a more "iron" feel and better turf interaction.  also fell in love with the UDI so much i kept that in the bag for tee shots.  i know not every club fits everyone's swing, but i am amazed at how far that club can hit a golf ball lol.

i found them both extremely forgiving.  the UT gives me a higher ball flight and lands soft while the UDI is just a flat out bomber.

Unfortunately I don't have the room in my bag for two but I'm glad you feel the apex is forgiving. It being forged is certainly a plus as well. Will have to check them out.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:47 PM

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:06 AM

I picked up a Cally Apex UT in 21 degrees from the classified forum. Should be here tomorrow or Friday. Let the experiment commence!

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:44 AM

Wishon 870ti 3i. If you can find one...

It is almost too long! Almost...

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:27 PM

Got the Apex UT out on the course.  Absolutely love it. Feels better, Looks better. Only thing is it doesn't go quite as far as the Ping Crossover 4 even though they are the same loft. The Apex has a stock length KBS V-Spec shaft where as my Ping Crossover has a fujikura pro 95 tour spec that is about a half to an inch longer. Could the shaft length be the difference? Or is the Apex just not as long?

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