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When to switch from stiff to regular shafts with your irons


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#1 walter2312

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:48 PM

Will my golf game tell me?

A little background about me, I am 47 year old 4 handicap and don't hit it as far or consistent as i once did. I find that after hitting balls and playing a round my shoulders hurt as well and think my stiff shafted irons might be to stiff. My swing speed with irons is 82-85 and with the driver approximately 93 mph.

Any feedback or experiences appreciated.


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:53 PM

I am about the same as to speed - not particularly quick tempo or late release - and play regular in irons - shaft one up and see what happens. You might think about graphite for longevity.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 10:02 PM

You could also look into a lighter weight shaft.  For me, this has more of an affect than flex.
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Posted 10 September 2017 - 10:11 PM

View PostRobNY22, on 10 September 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

You could also look into a lighter weight shaft.  For me, this has more of an affect than flex.

I can attest. You may also want to look into a more forgiving head design as well.

I use to game the Srixon 545 in a KBS tour regular flex and I can hit balls all day.

Now that I am lowering my handicap, I play the 900 Tours in the TT AMT S300 and I find myself pacing myself.

Edited by Chuck905, 10 September 2017 - 10:12 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 10:17 PM

Yeah go hit some irons with regular flex shafts at a golf store and also try some lighter weight ones in stiff and see how they preform!  They you can decide.


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:17 AM

I'm 65 now, with somewhat similar swing speeds to yours; I went to graphite shafted irons about 5 years ago, primarily for reduced stress on my elbows and wrists; in that regard, it was a great change for me.  I think I also sort of expected to regain some distance from the lighter shaft weight; that hasn't really been the case, which is ok.  At the same time, I went from stiff to regular all the way thru my bag, and I think that was a good switch as well; in retrospect, I think I was having to work too hard to get the club squared up in the latter days of using S flex.  Disclaimer: I did all of this with a good club fitter, so I wasn't experimenting, really.

The one thing I wish I had maybe tried would have been to get graphite shafts that were a little heavier, maybe in between the standard weights of steel and the standard weights of graphite, which my club fitter really didn't have available at the time.  I don't know if that would have been better, but it would have been interesting to see.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:36 PM

View Postwalter2312, on 10 September 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:

Will my golf game tell me?

A little background about me, I am 47 year old 4 handicap and don't hit it as far or consistent as i once did. I find that after hitting balls and playing a round my shoulders hurt as well and think my stiff shafted irons might be to stiff. My swing speed with irons is 82-85 and with the driver approximately 93 mph.

Any feedback or experiences appreciated.

You will probably first notice an issue with the distance of your long irons, as they probably will not fly as high as they used to.

Depending on what you play now, you could try a flighted set.  Or, an ascending weight set.  I was fitted for a set of Dynamic Gold AMTs.  I could not believe the elevation I was getting with a Titleist MB16 3 iron!

From a cushioning standpoint, my prior set had KBS Tour R and I could not believe how easy they were on my body.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:54 PM

Weight going to have more effect than flex. Flex rating is pretty much useless as a S in PX or DG is a totally different animal than some XP95 in S.

I'd check out XP95 or even some steel fibers if you don't want to go full graphite right off the bat.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:49 AM

pushing 49 myself and in same boat as you.  went for a fitting and time after time the kbs c taper lite R (105) outperformed everything else  Had recoil f4 stiff in my I20's which originally had the cvs stiff. Before those I had the MP69 with KBS Tour stiff.  I didn't lose distance, biggest thing was dispersion was perfect and had my controlled draw back  I could flight these with ease and the biggest factor... NO MORE FATIGUE and no more Tennis Elbow..

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:04 PM

I agree with the above about weight. I'm 50 now, switched a couple years ago- went from PX to PXi and haven't looked back!

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:11 PM

I'm going to pile on, in regards to weight instead of flex :)
After playing old Rifle 6.0 shafts my first year back after most of a decade off, I really kick myself for not changing up before going a whole season with irons I bought at 28, when I was then 40.
I now play a variety of different lighter shafts in the 95-105g mark and like that 36/day is no problem and I don't feel like I'm over swinging or anything similar to that, I might otherwise do with heavier shafts.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:52 PM

Handicap and swing speed very similar to yours. Played dg s300 for years. Switched to kbs tour r flex and haven't looked back.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:50 AM

Shaft optimizer might help OP?! Just turned 53 and I am in denial, but I need reg. shafts. Also a low ball/spinner and find NS Pro 950, XP95s help. ;)
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:45 AM

View PostGolf64, on 13 September 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Shaft optimizer might help OP?! Just turned 53 and I am in denial, but I need reg. shafts. Also a low ball/spinner and find NS Pro 950, XP95s help. ;)

Good call.  I think the Mizuno DNA does a nice job of at least narrowing the field.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:46 AM

47 ?  You are still young and should hit the gym and stretching exercise first before you seek the easy way out.
Of course, you could change your golf club to a lighter and more flexible shaft at the same time to gain the distance back.

Yes you are on the edge of a major physical change over for male.  Some will be earlier and some later, around 50'ish  will be the start of the last lag of our life.  Mine started at 56 with the old injury of my shoulders.  
Many great suggestion above and here is what I would do .

Stretch your shoulders to maintain flexibility, strengthen your abdomen, and thigh , cave muscle.   Change your diets ( seek advice from a dietitian ).  Much easier to do the preventative measurement now rather than trying the recovery effort later.  Changing your diet is a big deal and the positive  result won't show up in the short term.  Be patient and stick to the diet that suits your situation.

And don't forget to try out new shafts new golf clubs...... although that would be a temporary band-aid for the issue.   And come to turn of hitting more club for the same distance ( hopefully after you're well into the 70's)

And oh, you probably know this already, there is a golf ball out there which will give you the best distance.  It's the cheapest way to get some of the lost distance back.   You will have to research and do some experiments by yourself.   I'm lucky that a several of the local golf shops will sell the golf balls by the sleeve, so I could find out before I buy the box (S).

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

View PostRobNY22, on 10 September 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

You could also look into a lighter weight shaft.  For me, this has more of an affect than flex.

Dedinarely true. When your physical strength deceease it i the toral weight you should adress. Get helt to find the correct balance. But heavy clubs can help youbmaintain a late release...

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:14 PM

Walter, great helpful info here for you and me.

I;m 56. You can soft step X1 and try that.
Did this with DGS200 a year ago.
Just bought some Hogan Apex Plus with Apex 3 stiff that are like 112 grams
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:51 PM

I'm 63 and finally got out of denial a couple of years ago. Went to Pro Modus 105 regular flex hard stepped once in my latest set. Works for me.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:30 AM

I'm 59 and have gone to regular shafts in my driver, woods, and hybrids. I'm still in the swing speed range for stiff, but have chosen to use regulars to more or less force myself to swing smoothly and within myself rsther than trying to swing very hard for 20-30 yards additional. This has helped ease upper back pain and stiffness after a round.

I am still using stiff in my irons but have gone to graphite and C taper lites both of wjich are easier on my right elbow without any loss of distance.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:37 AM

This is an interesting topic for me to follow, and hopefully learn something from. Just turned 54. SS is still ok, in the 105-108 range. But this year my iron play has degraded, and more recently they have started to feel heavy (Cobra Amp Cell Pros with Project X 6.0) and it's "work" to swing them.

I've never been fit( played the 6.0s for a lot of years, they've always felt the best), but maybe it's time to give that a try.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 11:27 AM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 15 September 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

This is an interesting topic for me to follow, and hopefully learn something from. Just turned 54. SS is still ok, in the 105-108 range. But this year my iron play has degraded, and more recently they have started to feel heavy (Cobra Amp Cell Pros with Project X 6.0) and it's "work" to swing them.

I've never been fit( played the 6.0s for a lot of years, they've always felt the best), but maybe it's time to give that a try.

You could do something as 'simple' as pick a single iron off eBay in a PXI 6.0, as a test entry into lighter shafts. There are a fair few playery irons available.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 04:49 PM

View Postwalter2312, on 10 September 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:

Will my golf game tell me?

A little background about me, I am 47 year old 4 handicap and don't hit it as far or consistent as i once did. I find that after hitting balls and playing a round my shoulders hurt as well and think my stiff shafted irons might be to stiff. My swing speed with irons is 82-85 and with the driver approximately 93 mph.

Any feedback or experiences appreciated.

I realise the forum topic structure of this site make finding the right answers a little difficult. Here is a link to an article by Tom Wishon (http://www.golfwrx.c...o-help-you-all/), Myth number 3 explains that shaft labels are misleading at best, and only valid when comparing the same model.

OP you might get better performance from a different shaft but based on your comments, the new shaft is likely to be lighter than your current shaft, it also might have a different bend profile, chances are it will be a lighter weight S flex model but flex is the final part of the matching process.

Swing speed is not sufficient information to determine the correct candidate shafts, aggressiveness and release point are also important.

Have a go with Mizuno's shaft optimiser which will give you a list of recommendations based on how you stress the shaft in the swing (the list is not gospel just a starting point). If the recommendations are different from your games then give them a side by side test using one of the demo heads from the fitting cart.

Post back if you find something you like.

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 04:27 AM

View Postduffer987, on 15 September 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 15 September 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

This is an interesting topic for me to follow, and hopefully learn something from. Just turned 54. SS is still ok, in the 105-108 range. But this year my iron play has degraded, and more recently they have started to feel heavy (Cobra Amp Cell Pros with Project X 6.0) and it's "work" to swing them.

I've never been fit( played the 6.0s for a lot of years, they've always felt the best), but maybe it's time to give that a try.
I highly agree with this.

You could do something as 'simple' as pick a single iron off eBay in a PXI 6.0, as a test entry into lighter shafts. There are a fair few playery irons available.

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