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#1 Qstick333

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 02:57 PM

With the Presidents Cup coming up I started wondering how the caddies fare during these matches. They are putting the same amount of work that they always would into the rounds and prep, etc... but have no chance of there guy winning $1m or more.  

How do caddies usually get compensated for these events?


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:11 PM

Most caddies make a weekly or yearly wage on top of the % of winning. They get a bonus for these weeks
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:12 PM

All the hot dogs and beer they can handle plus

Stack of stingles for the jiggly room.

Nuff said.



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 04:25 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 09 September 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Most caddies make a weekly or yearly wage on top of the % of winning. They get a bonus for these weeks


It just seems that most weeks they are working hard for the upside of the good finish, not the weekly wage.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 04:30 PM

View PostQstick333, on 09 September 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 09 September 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Most caddies make a weekly or yearly wage on top of the % of winning. They get a bonus for these weeks


It just seems that most weeks they are working hard for the upside of the good finish, not the weekly wage.
I think they working hard because its their job.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 04:39 PM

Players and caddies have gotten stipends in Ryder Cup and the donations to charity, of course, the players get to be involved in. Guessing the President's Cup may do something similar. Assume the players pay them something and that's between them, what's the difference?

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 05:26 PM

Chances are good that if your horse is at the presidents cup or Ryder cup, the jockey had a pretty good year/two years riding that horse

Edited by Aaronwilson_95, 09 September 2017 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:20 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 09 September 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

All the hot dogs and beer they can handle plus

Stack of stingles for the jiggly room.

Nuff said.
Well stacks of singles would constitute a cash payment so I am skeptical.  That being said it sounds like a good gig if you can pull it off
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:46 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 09 September 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

View PostQstick333, on 09 September 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 09 September 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Most caddies make a weekly or yearly wage on top of the % of winning. They get a bonus for these weeks


It just seems that most weeks they are working hard for the upside of the good finish, not the weekly wage.
I think they working hard because its their job.
Which they would like to keep.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:53 PM

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......

Hook it up Ekelly, I can start next week.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:14 PM

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......
I caddied one event on Symetra Tour for a former top ranking LPGAer, i was shocked how much she paided me, i expecting to get nothing. All thongs considered it doesn't come close to pga caddies get but even though the work was hard it was difficult, if that makes sense. I would diffently trade awaything to caddy for a top 150 player in the world
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:32 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 11 September 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......
I caddied one event on Symetra Tour for a former top ranking LPGAer, i was shocked how much she paided me, i expecting to get nothing. All thongs considered it doesn't come close to pga caddies get but even though the work was hard it was difficult, if that makes sense. I would diffently trade awaything to caddy for a top 150 player in the world

Who was wearing the thong?  Nevermind.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:22 PM

I have a friend that's caddied in the Ryder and Presidents Cup, a couple years ago he told me they got $3500 plus all expenses paid for.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:29 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 11 September 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......
I caddied one event on Symetra Tour for a former top ranking LPGAer, i was shocked how much she paided me, i expecting to get nothing. All thongs considered it doesn't come close to pga caddies get but even though the work was hard it was difficult, if that makes sense. I would diffently trade awaything to caddy for a top 150 player in the world

Freudian slip??

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:44 PM

View PostHot Rod 71, on 11 September 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 11 September 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......
I caddied one event on Symetra Tour for a former top ranking LPGAer, i was shocked how much she paided me, i expecting to get nothing. All thongs considered it doesn't come close to pga caddies get but even though the work was hard it was difficult, if that makes sense. I would diffently trade awaything to caddy for a top 150 player in the world

Freudian slip??
Yeah, i googled what that ment and still not really sure what that means
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:58 PM

View PostTmiller72, on 11 September 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

I have a friend that's caddied in the Ryder and Presidents Cup, a couple years ago he told me they got $3500 plus all expenses paid for.

That equals what I said earlier ; )

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:57 AM

If the caddie is on an actual contract, there are probably bonuses worked in for making these teams.  I'm not sure if it's the norm, or just what I'm familiar with, but the tour caddies I know have contracts with their player's management team.  The player doesn't pay the caddie's salary.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......


Sounds contrived.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:25 AM

View PostFerguson, on 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......


Sounds contrived.

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:55 PM

View Postebrasmus21, on 12 September 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......


Sounds contrived.

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?

One would think  it was payment enough that Tim got to use Phil's legal staff for the shirtless golf cart incident.  Funny how that just went away and was never heard of again once he started lugging the bag for brother Phil.  I'm sure Phil gives him a few bucks for the vending machine.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:23 PM

View Postebrasmus21, on 12 September 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......


Sounds contrived.

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?

Something tells me that FIGJAM's brother has probably done better over the years by virtue of being FIGJAM's brother than he would have otherwise.  My guess is they probably worked out something a long time ago, and carrying his brother's bag for a few months is the least he can do.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:36 PM

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[quote name='Ferguson' timestamp='1505229295' post='16171410']
[quote name='EKELLY' timestamp='1505169483' post='16168874']
I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......
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Sounds contrived.
[/quote]

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?
[/quote]

One would think  it was payment enough that Tim got to use Phil's legal staff for the shirtless golf cart incident.  Funny how that just went away and was never heard of again once he started lugging the bag for brother Phil.  I'm sure Phil gives him a few bucks for the vending machine.
[/quote]

Ahh yes, we've now come full-circle with respect to Tim and his legal troubles.  He owes brother Philip.

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I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......
[/quote]


Sounds contrived.
[/quote]

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?
[/quote]

Something tells me that FIGJAM's brother has probably done better over the years by virtue of being FIGJAM's brother than he would have otherwise.  My guess is they probably worked out something a long time ago, and carrying his brother's bag for a few months is the least he can do.
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I suspect you are right about this.  Phil and his family are content I'm sure.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:24 PM

View PostFerguson, on 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL.......


Sounds contrived.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:46 AM

View PostCallawayLefty, on 12 September 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 12 September 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL......

Sounds contrived.

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?

Something tells me that FIGJAM's brother has probably done better over the years by virtue of being FIGJAM's brother than he would have otherwise.  My guess is they probably worked out something a long time ago, and carrying his brother's bag for a few months is the least he can do.

Has everyone forgotten Tim's many golf jobs over past decades? He's been well paid w/o Phil connection.

Head Golf Coach ASU for 20+yrs, agent to multiple golfers on PGA & other tours, part of Mickelson Enterprises (they made the primary crowd periscope before the ban & other items).

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:54 AM

View Postaabcuue, on 14 September 2017 - 02:46 AM, said:

View PostCallawayLefty, on 12 September 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 12 September 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 12 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 11 September 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

I have two guys, one a friend, one an acquaintance, that caddy for some high powered horses. Trust me, I don't think the world will ever know the true compensation the TOP guys give their caddies. TRUST me when I say this, both the guys I know are doing VERY, VERY well......LOL......

Sounds contrived.

Ferg, do you think FIGJAM is properly compensating his brother Tim while looping?  Or do you think Phil just tells Tim the mere fact the he is on the bag at all is compensation enough?

Something tells me that FIGJAM's brother has probably done better over the years by virtue of being FIGJAM's brother than he would have otherwise.  My guess is they probably worked out something a long time ago, and carrying his brother's bag for a few months is the least he can do.

Has everyone forgotten Tim's many golf jobs over past decades? He's been well paid w/o Phil connection.

Head Golf Coach ASU for 20+yrs, agent to multiple golfers on PGA & other tours, part of Mickelson Enterprises (they made the primary crowd periscope before the ban & other items).


A close friend of mine is the COO for a 5B/year company.   His brother works for a different company in the warehouse moving boxes and driving a forklift.  


The assumption that a "sibling connection" provides some sort of conduit for "automatic" financial support is subject to a case-by-case basis.

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 02:51 AM

View PostFerguson, on 14 September 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

A close friend of mine is the COO for a 5B/year company. His brother works for a different company in the warehouse moving boxes and driving a forklift.

The assumption that a "sibling connection" provides some sort of conduit for "automatic" financial support is subject to a case-by-case basis.

Tim in Mickelson Enterprises is an officer of the Company and helped run the CO w/ his dad and almost no input from Phil. However,Tim was always focused on ASU golf while his dad & Phil were on tour.

His dad, Phil Sr. was usually @most tour stops selling the periscope in the comfy  A/C'ed Merchandise tent. He was always watching Phil however possible, which is fortunate, as many TVs show the tournament in the merch tent.

If you've ever met Phil Sr. then you were in for a treat. He taught Phil well and its easy to see the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Fwiw, yes I have the periscope, its very useful & well made. Too bad because of change in PGA rules you can't bring them into tournaments & use them anymore.
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Edited by aabcuue, 16 September 2017 - 02:57 AM.

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CallawayX20Tour 5-pw ProjectX 6.0 +.5"
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