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Shawn Clement closing the face 45degrees


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#31 hartman29

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:09 AM

View Post80sFredriksson, on 10 September 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postoikos1, on 09 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

There's been a lot of Shawn Clement talk/videos posted lately.  Marketing push????

No at least not by me, I just thought it was weird advice and still do. I can see the benifit of a strong grip but to setup the face 45 degrees closed to target line which is how I interpret what he is saying in my opinion feels awful, why not just rotate it square and say play with a see 4 knuckle grip instead.


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#32 hartman29

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:12 AM

Watch some of Shawn's other grip videos. He explains that a neutral grip with a closed face is the same as a strong 4 knuckle grip with square face in dynamic motion when swinging and releasing to the target, not the ball
. I think it's more a matter of preference. I've tried both and prefer the strong grip with square face.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:11 PM

View Post80sFredriksson, on 10 September 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postoikos1, on 09 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

There's been a lot of Shawn Clement talk/videos posted lately.  Marketing push????

No at least not by me, I just thought it was weird advice and still do. I can see the benifit of a strong grip but to setup the face 45 degrees closed to target line which is how I interpret what he is saying in my opinion feels awful, why not just rotate it square and say play with a see 4 knuckle grip instead.

I believe you significantly misinterpreted what he said.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:14 PM

View PostQEight, on 10 September 2017 - 04:51 AM, said:

View PostRi_Redneck, on 09 September 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

Neutral is back of left hand approximately parallel to clubface.

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So with the loft the strength changes?
Not sure what you mean by that?

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View Postrobbohank, on 10 September 2017 - 06:59 AM, said:

View PostRi_Redneck, on 09 September 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

Neutral is back of left hand approximately parallel to clubface.

BT

BT - Leading edge or clubface? I've always considered neutral to be the former.

IMO, leading edge and clubface are the same.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:16 PM

View Post80sFredriksson, on 10 September 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postoikos1, on 09 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

There's been a lot of Shawn Clement talk/videos posted lately.  Marketing push????

No at least not by me, I just thought it was weird advice and still do. I can see the benifit of a strong grip but to setup the face 45 degrees closed to target line which is how I interpret what he is saying in my opinion feels awful, why not just rotate it square and say play with a see 4 knuckle grip instead.
You would doing the same thing. I don't think he actually wants you to play that way, just showing you how your hands should be on the grip in relation to the clubhead.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:48 PM

View PostQEight, on 10 September 2017 - 04:51 AM, said:

View PostRi_Redneck, on 09 September 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

Neutral is back of left hand approximately parallel to clubface.

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So with the loft the strength changes?

No, he's talking about the "face angle".  So looking at the leading edge as your reference angle

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:46 PM

View PostCwebb, on 10 September 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

View PostQEight, on 10 September 2017 - 04:51 AM, said:

View PostRi_Redneck, on 09 September 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

Neutral is back of left hand approximately parallel to clubface.

BT

So with the loft the strength changes?

No, he's talking about the "face angle".  So looking at the leading edge as your reference angle

How do you line the back of your hand with the leading edge? Which part of your non-flat back of the hand?
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:50 PM

I'm more of a right handed player so thinking "strong" right hand works better for me and my left hand just matches it    This is especially true with irons off the tee for me

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:11 PM

View PostQEight, on 11 September 2017 - 11:46 PM, said:



How do you line the back of your hand with the leading edge? Which part of your non-flat back of the hand?

It's a generalization

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:51 PM

View PostQEight, on 11 September 2017 - 11:46 PM, said:

View PostCwebb, on 10 September 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

View PostQEight, on 10 September 2017 - 04:51 AM, said:

View PostRi_Redneck, on 09 September 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

Neutral is back of left hand approximately parallel to clubface.

BT

So with the loft the strength changes?

No, he's talking about the "face angle".  So looking at the leading edge as your reference angle

How do you line the back of your hand with the leading edge? Which part of your non-flat back of the hand?

I've always liked Manzella's definition of a neutral left hand. I guess this would be what I would classify as a "traditonal neutral" LH but I'm guessing how to define neutral these days is open to interpretation.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:46 PM

Thats why these terms are confusing.  Depending on the instructor can define strong differently.  

For me I use the thumb and V as it relates to the top edge
The palm as it relates to the clubface
The back of the arm as it relates to the club head and shaft

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:17 AM

Here's an older, lengthy thread about a closed face at address and how it can be helpful, including input and a video from Martin Chuck along with some older Clement video links on the same subject - http://www.golfwrx.c...it-solid-shots/

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:27 PM

View Postxkilgorextroutx, on 13 September 2017 - 06:17 AM, said:

Here's an older, lengthy thread about a closed face at address and how it can be helpful, including input and a video from Martin Chuck along with some older Clement video links on the same subject - http://www.golfwrx.c...it-solid-shots/

Cool ty!

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 02:58 PM

The strong vs weak grip is one of the better videos  I seen by Clement
The concepts if "brace tilt" and anchoring the swing are very good as well that I don't hear from other instructors

Edited by harolease, 18 September 2017 - 03:03 PM.


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