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#1 dan040286

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:31 PM

Currently gaming Srixon 745's which I really like but the itch is there to start tinkering this fall. For me the Srixons were flying the lowest/flattest. Anything out there that flies lower without jacked up lofts? The Srixon wedge is 46* for reference.


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:36 PM

Tip stiff shafts.

Bend to specs.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:43 PM

Titleist MB blades.  Also make sure you're playing a 'lower' spin premium ball.....some spin more on iron shots

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:52 PM

My Srixon 965s launch lovely and low
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:09 PM

Any blade with C-Tapers/DG shafts?! ;)

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:31 PM

current mizuno blade launched low for me, I think mp4. Titleist blades launch high for me

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:54 PM

I've found shaft and ball to be the biggest factors by far, more so than clubhead. I can launch a blade to the moon with the wrong shaft.

But any players club with either a dynamic gold or Ctaper, and a low launching ball (i find the chrome soft to be low launching) and i can launch even a fat SGI club a manageable height
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:18 PM

 Golf64, on 05 September 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Any blade with C-Tapers/DG shafts?! ;)

I second this :)
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:55 PM

Throw in a set of c-taper 130x shafts these things will bring the flight down quite a bit. I refer to these as pliable rebar.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 05:35 PM

I had S+ c-tapers in JPX 900 tours and almost killed every lizard on my golf course.


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 09:44 AM

Already playing DG x100s. Any heads known to launch extra low?

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:00 AM

Ive been where you are, and asked this question. The real answer is no, nobody has figured out how to make a blade launch significantly higher or lower than another without changing loft. Closest you will get is looking at maltaby playability factor for something with a higher vcog, but that was a rabbit hole I regretted going down. I put Mark Crossfield vids on repeat until I figured out how to stop adding loft to the clubface.
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:13 AM

View PostTravAz, on 06 September 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ive been where you are, and asked this question. The real answer is no, nobody has figured out how to make a blade launch significantly higher or lower than another without changing loft. Closest you will get is looking at maltaby playability factor for something with a higher vcog, but that was a rabbit hole I regretted going down. I put Mark Crossfield vids on repeat until I figured out how to stop adding loft to the clubface.

Was going to suggest Maltby measurements, but agree, shaft and technique will affect launch angle much more significantly.
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:23 AM

If you want the lowest iron trajectory possible, it would have to be a blade with DG with a lot of forward shaft lean at impact.
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:36 AM

Bridgestone J33B's from mid 2000's. super long hosel, high CG, a little heal biased. Not very forgiving but the will bring your ball flight down.


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 12:35 PM

Hawkeye, a great recommendation. I have yet to see a set for sale where i live !!! Super Rare!!
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 01:00 PM

View PostPigems, on 05 September 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

View PostGolf64, on 05 September 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Any blade with C-Tapers/DG shafts?! ;)

I second this :)

I find DG launch mid to high for me, I had the old rifle 7.3 FCMs before and they were amazing, launched mid and stayed flat....even in MP33s. Wish I'd never sold that set, I might have to try X7s at some point though. They're meant to be a beefed up X100 from what I've seen

That's with some forward lean and no flipping either....maybe I just put too much spin on the ball or shouldn't use Pro V1s
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 01:07 PM

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:28 AM

Try DG X7 Tour Issue shafts or project x 7.0. Higher CG iron is not the anser here. A pure struck golf shot is defined as the cg of the club being below the equator of the ball. If you move the cg higher on the club you won't feel as many pure shots.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:08 PM

Are you finding the 745s launch too high across the board or only the lower irons?  

8-PW do launch high, but still flatter than most irons.  I too was drawn to the 745s by the lower penetrating ball flight.  

I don't find this to be a problem on the higher irons, those fly about where I want them.  

Reason I ask is mixing in some 945s on the bottom end would be an inexpensive experiment.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:57 PM

 kiwii, on 11 September 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

Try DG X7 Tour Issue shafts or project x 7.0. Higher CG iron is not the anser here. A pure struck golf shot is defined as the cg of the club being below the equator of the ball. If you move the cg higher on the club you won't feel as many pure shots.

DG X7s will get them down. Tip them as needed. Get some older, really small blades like Titleist 680/90's or Callaway TA X-Protos.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 02:07 PM

 MtlJeff, on 05 September 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

I've found shaft and ball to be the biggest factors by far, more so than clubhead. I can launch a blade to the moon with the wrong shaft.

But any players club with either a dynamic gold or Ctaper, and a low launching ball (i find the chrome soft to be low launching) and i can launch even a fat SGI club a manageable height

Jeff knows the truth.


Example.  I launch my titleist 680 with modus higher than a 716 ap2 with px Liz 6.5 I recently tested.  The Lz is lower spin and lower launch for me.  And flex rating is very much identical to the modus 130x.    But conventional wisdom would tell you the blade would launch lower every time.  But it isn't true.  Much more shaft dependent than club head.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 03:10 PM

 andrew_m, on 11 September 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

 kiwii, on 11 September 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

Try DG X7 Tour Issue shafts or project x 7.0. Higher CG iron is not the anser here. A pure struck golf shot is defined as the cg of the club being below the equator of the ball. If you move the cg higher on the club you won't feel as many pure shots.

DG X7s will get them down. Tip them as needed. Get some older, really small blades like Titleist 680/90's or Callaway TA X-Protos.

I just put a set of 690's in the bag this weekend, beautiful irons. Same shafts(S300) that I have in my 712CB's that I've been playing for 4 seasons now but I seem to launch the 690MB's a bit higher. I thought for sure the 690's would launch lower, who knew? :)
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 03:14 PM

Though head design plays a role in trajectory, proper shaft profile and mechanics are large contributors to trajectory.  If desired I can hit low bullets with KBS Tour S+.

Edited by Pepperturbo, 11 September 2017 - 03:17 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:29 AM

 bladehunter, on 11 September 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

 MtlJeff, on 05 September 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

I've found shaft and ball to be the biggest factors by far, more so than clubhead. I can launch a blade to the moon with the wrong shaft.

But any players club with either a dynamic gold or Ctaper, and a low launching ball (i find the chrome soft to be low launching) and i can launch even a fat SGI club a manageable height

Jeff knows the truth.


Example.  I launch my titleist 680 with modus higher than a 716 ap2 with px Liz 6.5 I recently tested.  The Lz is lower spin and lower launch for me.  And flex rating is very much identical to the modus 130x. But conventional wisdom would tell you the blade would launch lower every time.  But it isn't true.  Much more shaft dependent than club head.

This may be true when talking players CBs and Blades without extreme low CG locations.

But when you get into low CG GI clubs the clubhead design becomes too much for any shaft to overcome in terms of lowering the ballfight.  Anything with a wide sole will want to launch a lot higher compared to a similar lofted players CB/blade.  In this case, the clubhead makes a much bigger impact.

Perfect example is my U45 driving iron.  At 18 degrees with an S400 shaft, it launches higher than my 5 iron off the tee - identical swings, identical shafts.  I have to work to get the trajectory low.  

To your point though, prior to reshafting with the S400 - the Nippon 980 launched even higher - so shaft does play a HUGE role, just not when comparing to some of the lower CG GI/Driving Iron clubheads.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:24 PM

 manima1, on 12 September 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

This may be true when talking players CBs and Blades without extreme low CG locations.

But when you get into low CG GI clubs the clubhead design becomes too much for any shaft to overcome in terms of lowering the ballfight.  Anything with a wide sole will want to launch a lot higher compared to a similar lofted players CB/blade.  In this case, the clubhead makes a much bigger impact.

Perfect example is my U45 driving iron.  At 18 degrees with an S400 shaft, it launches higher than my 5 iron off the tee - identical swings, identical shafts.  I have to work to get the trajectory low.  

To your point though, prior to reshafting with the S400 - the Nippon 980 launched even higher - so shaft does play a HUGE role, just not when comparing to some of the lower CG GI/Driving Iron clubheads.

Any good golfer with any club head / shaft combo should be able to launch high or lower trajectory using any ball.  I do it with ProV and ProV1x or Callaway Chrome Soft and X, etc.

Contemporary CAD designed MB's have lower COG than my older higher COG 1025MB's or Mizuno MP14.  Reason contemporary blades are easier to hit.  Desired trajectory is all about adjusting setup and how one attacks the ball.  If that were not true, nobody would be hitting low punch shots.  My T-MB 17* is said to be high trajectory, low spin head, yet with PX Flighted 6.0 or PX 6.0 shaft, I hit bullets with it.

Edited by Pepperturbo, 12 September 2017 - 01:26 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:42 PM

I might not be a "good" golfer, but personally find it much easier to hit a stinger with my 765 3 iron than my U45 2 iron.  Same shaft in both.  This is a product of the lower CG in the U45 driving iron.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:17 PM

 manima1, on 12 September 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

I might not be a "good" golfer, but personally find it much easier to hit a stinger with my 765 3 iron than my U45 2 iron.  Same shaft in both.  This is a product of the lower CG in the U45 driving iron.

I understand.  One club is easier for your skill to hit than another.  Last weekend my buddy (12 index) tried to hit my T-MB and didn't fair well.  He tried my irons too, with same result.  Ball had nothing to do with it either.  It was the degree of forgiveness in the heads and shafts.

Edited by Pepperturbo, 12 September 2017 - 02:19 PM.

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#29 manima1

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:24 PM

 Pepperturbo, on 12 September 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

 manima1, on 12 September 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

I might not be a "good" golfer, but personally find it much easier to hit a stinger with my 765 3 iron than my U45 2 iron.  Same shaft in both.  This is a product of the lower CG in the U45 driving iron.

I understand.  One club is easier for your skill to hit than another.  Last weekend my buddy (12 index) tried to hit my T-MB and didn't fair well.  He tried my irons too, with same result.  Ball had nothing to do with it either.  It was the degree of forgiveness in the heads and shafts.

I hit both just fine, but when the trajectory of my "stock shot" with an 18 degree 2 iron is higher than my 20 degree 3 iron (with same shafts), that is the product of CG location.

For what it's worth, the 3 iron carries 220 and 2 iron carries 230+ off the deck (250 off the tee).  So this is not a skill level issue, it's an observation of what the CG location can do with trajectory.  

With equal ball position and swings, the 2 iron flies higher.

Edited by manima1, 12 September 2017 - 02:28 PM.

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#30 MathiasAndersen

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:35 PM

 Cwebb, on 05 September 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

Titleist MB blades.  Also make sure you're playing a 'lower' spin premium ball.....some spin more on iron shots

I think that titleist irons spins a lot compared to other players irons

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Hybrid: Titleist 915Hd Kuro Kage Silver TiNi 80g S
Driving Iron: Titleist 716 T-MB 3-iron KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff 110
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