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Posted 10 January 2006 - 07:01 PM

CALLING ON ALL RULES JUNKIES OUT THERE! :telephone:


I am working on my PGA PGM (Professional Golf Management) workbooks and need a suggestion to help answer a question that I am drawing a blank on.

It deals with the Rules of Golf.

The question is this......

"How can the interpretation of a rules situation effect the ruling?"



That is what I am drawing a blank on.


Thank you all in advance!

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 07:49 PM

I am not an expert on the subject however I will give you an example of what I believe you are looking for:

A player's ball has come to rest near a small bush. The player claims if he were to play his intended shot it would be interferred with by the scoreboard. The player's claim is that he gets relief from what he believes will be the scoreboard and in doing so would get relief from the bush. The official could grant that or not, if not the player is likely to have to take an unplayable but could possibly play the shot. How the official interprets the situation will greatly affect the ruling. If the official deems that the scoreboard would not affect the player or if he believes it will.

Something similar to this happened to Annika late last year. The official decided the scoreboard would not affect her shot and she had to take relief from the bush, incurring one shot for the unplayable in the process.

Good luck.
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 11:29 PM

Thanks! :hi:

That was good!


I'm interrested in hearing more, if you got em people. (Just to get a good sample to choose an idea from.)
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:07 PM

Remember another similar ruling that happened to David Frost at the Open in '99 at Carnoustie. He wanted a free drop after an errant drive, and was trying to convince the rules official that he should get the drop as he was standing on a pathway used by greenkeeping staff - the rules official refused the drop as Frost would have to have been aiming to hit his shot out of bounds to be standing on the pathway, and this was deemed to be an unreasonable shot to be attempting.

Hope that makes sense, and provides an example of what you're looking for.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:37 PM

Vijay hit a shot behind a scoreboard one time and he got relief from the spot. I think the size or nature of the obstruction would have effect on a ruling.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:44 PM

i think one time during the 94 us open at oakmont ernie got relief from one of those huge cranes with a cameraman on top....but according to the commentators, he was not suppose to, but the rules guy allowed it...so that was a matter of interpretation...forget the exact situation but that was the jist in a nutshell
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:52 PM

How about an errant drive that goes OB in the vicinity of a water hazard. It would be left to the officials interpretaion of where the ball went OB which would then affect which side of the hazard the player could drop from.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 06:20 PM

View PostPlacebo, on Jan 11 2006, 04:52 PM, said:

How about an errant drive that goes OB in the vicinity of a water hazard. It would be left to the officials interpretaion of where the ball went OB which would then affect which side of the hazard the player could drop from.

When a drive goes OB,there's not much to interpret.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 06:44 PM

View Postmozart, on Jan 11 2006, 07:20 PM, said:

View PostPlacebo, on Jan 11 2006, 04:52 PM, said:

How about an errant drive that goes OB in the vicinity of a water hazard. It would be left to the officials interpretaion of where the ball went OB which would then affect which side of the hazard the player could drop from.

When a drive goes OB,there's not much to interpret.

Really? not even where it crossed the OB line to determine where you can drop?

When this happens to me I usually just tee up a provisional because I have a hard time deciding where the ball went OB and don't want anyone thinking I'm cheating.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 08:19 PM

View PostPlacebo, on Jan 11 2006, 05:44 PM, said:

View Postmozart, on Jan 11 2006, 07:20 PM, said:

View PostPlacebo, on Jan 11 2006, 04:52 PM, said:

How about an errant drive that goes OB in the vicinity of a water hazard. It would be left to the officials interpretaion of where the ball went OB which would then affect which side of the hazard the player could drop from.

When a drive goes OB,there's not much to interpret.

Really? not even where it crossed the OB line to determine where you can drop?

When this happens to me I usually just tee up a provisional because I have a hard time deciding where the ball went OB and don't want anyone thinking I'm cheating.


When you hit a ball OB, you drop or re-tee from the spot you last hit, you don't drop near the white stake, unless you are playing a modification of the stroke and distance rule and are just playing stroke, which is not an actual rule, just one to enforce pace of play
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 08:59 PM

Staff Bag where are you in the PGM program??

I am also in a PGM program.
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Posted 12 January 2006 - 03:59 PM

Ok sorry if I'm being hard headed on this. If you drive a ball OB and decide not to tee up another one, what are your options for dropping? How do you determine where to drop?

I'm only asking because I'm confused now. :crazy:
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Posted 12 January 2006 - 04:25 PM

The penalty for OB has no options-stroke and distance.If your tee shot goes OB,you re-tee hitting three.Through the green,drop nearest spot from which the OB shot was played and add one penalty stroke.
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Posted 12 January 2006 - 04:56 PM

I must of been combining the OB tee shot rule with the water hazard rule hence making my own rule... :fool:


Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 11:55 PM

Thanks Guys and Gals!

Some of those expanded my thoughts. I got what I needed.



As for the OB confusion, don't feel bad! Many people who don't understand the Rules just combine some and make-up their own. (Only to be educated sometime in the future when they least expect it!)

I know of a municipal course near my home that decided to do what was said in an above post. In order to speed-up play, if a player hit a ball OB they just "local ruled" in a rule (although highly illegal :crazy: ) where the player could drop another ball into play at the point where the ball crossed the OB line and proceed from there under a penalty of one stroke!!! :blink:

Now I have heard of EVERYTHING when a CLUB makes-up rules!!!!
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On that note......... thanks again for all the replys!
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