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The long putter & Sr Tour

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#31 cinnepa

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:29 AM

View Postrafal, on 04 September 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 04 September 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Nobody cares about the long putter as long as they don't win again on the PGA Tour. When (and if) this will happen again... nevermind, nobody cares anyway

That's how I feel about it.  Senior Tour is unwatchable with or without long putters.  Having McCarron as their superstar speaks volumes and does nothing for ratings.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:41 AM

View Postcinnepa, on 11 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

View Postrafal, on 04 September 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 04 September 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Nobody cares about the long putter as long as they don't win again on the PGA Tour. When (and if) this will happen again... nevermind, nobody cares anyway

That's how I feel about it.  Senior Tour is unwatchable with or without long putters.  Having McCarron as their superstar speaks volumes and does nothing for ratings.

and he has to dump that mullet, it's not working.

McCarron stuffed more clams in his career than the Gorton's fisherman.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 02:15 PM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 11 September 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

View Postcinnepa, on 11 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

View Postrafal, on 04 September 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 04 September 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Nobody cares about the long putter as long as they don't win again on the PGA Tour. When (and if) this will happen again... nevermind, nobody cares anyway

That's how I feel about it.  Senior Tour is unwatchable with or without long putters.  Having McCarron as their superstar speaks volumes and does nothing for ratings.

and he has to dump that mullet, it's not working.

McCarron stuffed more clams in his career than the Gorton's fisherman.

Lol. Probably true. But how many were well past their  expiration date?    I keep telling you. It's quality. Not quantity !  Lol.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:54 PM

:fie:  whats happening .....
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:59 PM

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:fie:  whats happening .....


Guys started pulling their putters out and lengthening them.  It's pandemonium on the champions tour !

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:08 AM

This can't be true. Haven't seen it anywhere elseimage.jpg

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:54 AM

The thing I will never understand is how the rules have a length limit on clubs, but allow the long putter? Isn't a putter a golf club too?
My biggest peeve isn't anchoring either. What gets me is watching guys use broomstick putters to measure relief. Using a broomstick to measure two club lengths instead of driver is an undeniable advatnage. Even though it is only about a foot or so extra, that is an unfair advantage as it is not available to golfers using real putters.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:11 PM

View Postws6, on 11 September 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

View PostForged4ever, on 06 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

Good morning/afternoon :)

Regarding the arm lock grip, is it possible to use this grip with an a belly length putter with the standard 2-3* of putter loft or must one get a putter with 6-7* of loft?

Is there any way to compensate for the required loft with a standard lofted putter?

Thanks much!!

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Try left hand low. IMO, a regular belly will work as an armlock without the extra loft with the left hand below the right.
Thanks much WS, I will try the left hand low!

Much appreciated!!

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:19 PM

View PostForged4ever, on 14 September 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

View Postws6, on 11 September 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

View PostForged4ever, on 06 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

Good morning/afternoon :)

Regarding the arm lock grip, is it possible to use this grip with an a belly length putter with the standard 2-3* of putter loft or must one get a putter with 6-7* of loft?

Is there any way to compensate for the required loft with a standard lofted putter?

Thanks much!!

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Try left hand low. IMO, a regular belly will work as an armlock without the extra loft with the left hand below the right.
Thanks much WS, I will try the left hand low!

Much appreciated!!

My Best,
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All 'dem beeuuuteeeful 8802 putters...and, you want to try an armlock putter.....????

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:59 PM

View PostForged4ever, on 06 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

View Postdisco111, on 06 September 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

The biggest factor, as far as the initial ban of the long / belly putters was that they took the wrists, which play an integral part of making a stroke, out of the equation. That coupled with a few wins and some players, a couple who were non relevant on the big tour, started squawking and it steam rolled from there. Now here IMO is where a bigger problem may surface and that's with the arm lock putting grip. This grip also removes the wrist from the stroke and contrary to what other's my think is anchoring. It just looks more palatable. I realize all this has been discussed before, but I would love to see a tour player buck the powers and force litigation on the subject. It apparently worked for VJ so why not. As I have said, it was legal for well over 20 years and because of some whiners, the USGA/R&A made a quasi political ruling which actually hurt the game in general.
Good morning/afternoon👊

Regarding the arm lock grip, is it possible to use this grip with an a belly length putter with the standard 2-3* of putter loft or must one get a putter with 6-7* of loft?

Is there any way to compensate for the required loft with a standard lofted putter?

Thanks much🍻

My Best,
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I have bent the shaft of a belly putter forward at the goose neck (an Odyssey 7 mid). It works as well as the 1W Arm Lock that has the 7* of loft built in. Just can't get truly comfortable with the arm lock, but I keep trying.

Hope you are well, Richard. I don't post often, but always look forward to reading yours.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:05 PM

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This can't be true. Haven't seen it anywhere elseAttachment image.jpg


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 05:28 PM

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  Hopfeully common sense will prevail.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 05:32 PM

View Postzonadub, on 14 September 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostForged4ever, on 06 September 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

View Postdisco111, on 06 September 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

The biggest factor, as far as the initial ban of the long / belly putters was that they took the wrists, which play an integral part of making a stroke, out of the equation. That coupled with a few wins and some players, a couple who were non relevant on the big tour, started squawking and it steam rolled from there. Now here IMO is where a bigger problem may surface and that's with the arm lock putting grip. This grip also removes the wrist from the stroke and contrary to what other's my think is anchoring. It just looks more palatable. I realize all this has been discussed before, but I would love to see a tour player buck the powers and force litigation on the subject. It apparently worked for VJ so why not. As I have said, it was legal for well over 20 years and because of some whiners, the USGA/R&A made a quasi political ruling which actually hurt the game in general.
Good morning/afternoon��

Regarding the arm lock grip, is it possible to use this grip with an a belly length putter with the standard 2-3* of putter loft or must one get a putter with 6-7* of loft?

Is there any way to compensate for the required loft with a standard lofted putter?

Thanks much��

My Best,
RP

I have bent the shaft of a belly putter forward at the goose neck (an Odyssey 7 mid). It works as well as the 1W Arm Lock that has the 7* of loft built in. Just can't get truly comfortable with the arm lock, but I keep trying.

Hope you are well, Richard. I don't post often, but always look forward to reading yours.
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:07 AM

View PostCool Hand Luke, on 11 September 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

havent't mccarron and langer openly stated that putting un-anchored with the broom stick is actually easier than anchored and that they wished they had done that in the first place? maybe i'm making that up but I swear I heard that commentary somewhere....

I don't know that it's easier overall but the difference is negligible. Short putts feel more uncertain but midrange putts offer more freedom and athleticism.

I have no idea how the anchor issue was ever considered a deal breaker for using the long putter. I posted at least 5 years ago that it was a relatively simple transition, after experimenting with anchoring and not anchored.

Frankly it's nothing but runaway fear that prevents the long putter from being used successfully on the PGA Tour. In fact, I'd call it the most comically pathetic wimp factor variable that I've ever seen on Tour, and I've followed since attending my first event in March 1968. The former belly putter users would benefit more than anyone but they are too scared to try, or to commit, given the situational realities that would attach.

There is no reason at least a half dozen prominent players aren't using the long putter. No reason other than white males are generally petrified of peer review and public opinion. They don't want to have Brandel Chamblee and others scrutinizing them on television while spectators inevitably would shout mocking insults, along with parallel threads here and on other golf sites.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 07:26 AM

Just looked at the leader board for the Champions tour - MaCarron and Langer are one and two.

Harvey Penick said that the "stroke" with a long putter wasn't a proper golf stroke; he thought the hands should be together on the club.  I agree.  The USGA never should have allowed a club to be longer than the driver.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:28 AM

View Postgvogel, on 23 September 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

Just looked at the leader board for the Champions tour - MaCarron and Langer are one and two.

Harvey Penick said that the "stroke" with a long putter wasn't a proper golf stroke; he thought the hands should be together on the club.  I agree.  The USGA never should have allowed a club to be longer than the driver.

Oh come on man.  You know it's just that those two " practice " more.  Right ?
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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:34 AM

View Postgvogel, on 23 September 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

Just looked at the leader board for the Champions tour - MaCarron and Langer are one and two.

Harvey Penick said that the "stroke" with a long putter wasn't a proper golf stroke; he thought the hands should be together on the club.  I agree.  The USGA never should have allowed a club to be longer than the driver.
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Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:47 PM

View Post2putttom, on 23 September 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

View Postgvogel, on 23 September 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

Just looked at the leader board for the Champions tour - MaCarron and Langer are one and two.

Harvey Penick said that the "stroke" with a long putter wasn't a proper golf stroke; he thought the hands should be together on the club.  I agree.  The USGA never should have allowed a club to be longer than the driver.
it takes more than putting to win a tournament

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 04:29 PM

It's funny that nobody will shut up about how the broomstick is a cheater club, but none of these people will try one,

View Postplaya, on 14 September 2017 - 02:54 AM, said:

The thing I will never understand is how the rules have a length limit on clubs, but allow the long putter? Isn't a putter a golf club too?
My biggest peeve isn't anchoring either. What gets me is watching guys use broomstick putters to measure relief. Using a broomstick to measure two club lengths instead of driver is an undeniable advatnage. Even though it is only about a foot or so extra, that is an unfair advantage as it is not available to golfers using real putters.


Getting a penalty is not an advantage.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:15 PM

View Postrockinar, on 23 September 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

It's funny that nobody will shut up about how the broomstick is a cheater club, but none of these people will try one,

View Postplaya, on 14 September 2017 - 02:54 AM, said:

The thing I will never understand is how the rules have a length limit on clubs, but allow the long putter? Isn't a putter a golf club too?
My biggest peeve isn't anchoring either. What gets me is watching guys use broomstick putters to measure relief. Using a broomstick to measure two club lengths instead of driver is an undeniable advatnage. Even though it is only about a foot or so extra, that is an unfair advantage as it is not available to golfers using real putters.


Getting a penalty is not an advantage.

Pretty sure it's the anchored stroke that's the advantage. Not the club.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:00 PM

View Postgvogel, on 23 September 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

Harvey Penick said that the "stroke" with a long putter wasn't a proper golf stroke; he thought the hands should be together on the club.  I agree.  The USGA never should have allowed a club to be longer than the driver.

There's no rule stating your hands have to be together on any club. Drivers are allowed to be 48 inches, so most people six foot and under could use a broomstick quite happily applying your logic.

I used the belly for a number of years because of the spiy, but I was never able to use a broomstick, it was much more difficult. I could never take the head back remotely straight.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:00 PM

Give Freddy the belly putter back, and make it a fair fight.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:05 PM

if anyone ever needed a long putter its mayfair. ever see him putt with a regular putter? it was pitifull
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