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#91 roll - gybe

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM

Not the right answer: I watched Tiger at the range at the Barclays on one of his comebacks. He was hitting 2 irons like a crazed 16 handicapper. He was hitting a ball every 22 seconds.  People were everywhere. He was clanking it, striping it, it was like watching Kurt Cobain.

Then at the 2014 US Open I sat at a tee box for a short par 4 dogleg and watched about 6 players shank 2 irons. Snedeker. Kooch. Stenson. All in contention. At that open I watched a par 3 where I thought Spieth hit the worst sounding ball of the bunch. He thinned a hybrid.  Everyone else hit an iron.

DJ was in contention and puring it. But he was stone hands on the greens. Not exactly clanking it, but something was not working properly.

I also watched Cabrera and Gossen duff chips shots at that par 3. Cabrera duffed 2. The Kaymer wedge was sort of genius.

Edited by roll - gybe, 08 September 2017 - 11:06 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:15 PM

View Postroll - gybe, on 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not the right answer: I watched Tiger at the range at the Barclays on one of his comebacks. He was hitting 2 irons like a crazed 16 handicapper. He was hitting a ball every 22 seconds.  People were everywhere. He was clanking it, striping it, it was like watching Kurt Cobain.

Then at the 2014 US Open I sat at a tee box for a short par 4 dogleg and watched about 6 players shank 2 irons. Snedeker. Kooch. Stenson. All in contention. At that open I watched a par 3 where I thought Spieth hit the worst sounding ball of the bunch. He thinned a hybrid.  Everyone else hit an iron.

DJ was in contention and puring it. But he was stone hands on the greens. Not exactly clanking it, but something was not working properly.

I also watched Cabrera and Gossen duff chips shots at that par 3. Cabrera duffed 2. The Kaymer wedge was sort of genius.

That's strange, I've never seen a pro on the range struggle with ball striking. But I've only mostly watched practice days.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:16 PM

View Postroll - gybe, on 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not the right answer: I watched Tiger at the range at the Barclays on one of his comebacks. He was hitting 2 irons like a crazed 16 handicapper. He was hitting a ball every 22 seconds.  People were everywhere. He was clanking it, striping it, it was like watching Kurt Cobain.

Then at the 2014 US Open I sat at a tee box for a short par 4 dogleg and watched about 6 players shank 2 irons. Snedeker. Kooch. Stenson. All in contention. At that open I watched a par 3 where I thought Spieth hit the worst sounding ball of the bunch. He thinned a hybrid.  Everyone else hit an iron.

DJ was in contention and puring it. But he was stone hands on the greens. Not exactly clanking it, but something was not working properly.

I also watched Cabrera and Gossen duff chips shots at that par 3. Cabrera duffed 2. The Kaymer wedge was sort of genius.

Phantasmagorical. I.E. WTF?!?!?!

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:56 PM

How about Bobby Locke?

Played with a hook but was an amazing putter.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:24 AM

I followed Seve around Augusta in 86, the year he GAVE Jack his last major. The guy hit it left, right, popped one up, still broke par. After the round, all he said was. "I didn't putt well"......That was Seve........LOL


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:47 PM

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:54 PM

View Postfowlerscousin, on 08 September 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postroll - gybe, on 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not the right answer: I watched Tiger at the range at the Barclays on one of his comebacks. He was hitting 2 irons like a crazed 16 handicapper. He was hitting a ball every 22 seconds.  People were everywhere. He was clanking it, striping it, it was like watching Kurt Cobain.

Then at the 2014 US Open I sat at a tee box for a short par 4 dogleg and watched about 6 players shank 2 irons. Snedeker. Kooch. Stenson. All in contention. At that open I watched a par 3 where I thought Spieth hit the worst sounding ball of the bunch. He thinned a hybrid.  Everyone else hit an iron.

DJ was in contention and puring it. But he was stone hands on the greens. Not exactly clanking it, but something was not working properly.

I also watched Cabrera and Gossen duff chips shots at that par 3. Cabrera duffed 2. The Kaymer wedge was sort of genius.

That's strange, I've never seen a pro on the range struggle with ball striking. But I've only mostly watched practice days.

You need to watch more then. Alot of guys struggle on the range and have rough warm up sessions. Ive shot my best rounds doing just that. leaving the range saying WTF am i going to do today. Matsuyama was hitting 30-40 yard pulls and pushes  during his sunday warmup at firestone this year and was very frustrated and shot i think a 62 or 63 when he teed up. Hitting balls and playing golf are not always the same ask any pro. Same goes for putting warmup.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 05:01 PM

View Postlowheel, on 09 September 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

View Postfowlerscousin, on 08 September 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postroll - gybe, on 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not the right answer: I watched Tiger at the range at the Barclays on one of his comebacks. He was hitting 2 irons like a crazed 16 handicapper. He was hitting a ball every 22 seconds.  People were everywhere. He was clanking it, striping it, it was like watching Kurt Cobain.

Then at the 2014 US Open I sat at a tee box for a short par 4 dogleg and watched about 6 players shank 2 irons. Snedeker. Kooch. Stenson. All in contention. At that open I watched a par 3 where I thought Spieth hit the worst sounding ball of the bunch. He thinned a hybrid.  Everyone else hit an iron.

DJ was in contention and puring it. But he was stone hands on the greens. Not exactly clanking it, but something was not working properly.

I also watched Cabrera and Gossen duff chips shots at that par 3. Cabrera duffed 2. The Kaymer wedge was sort of genius.

That's strange, I've never seen a pro on the range struggle with ball striking. But I've only mostly watched practice days.

You need to watch more then. Alot of guys struggle on the range and have rough warm up sessions. Ive shot my best rounds doing just that. leaving the range saying WTF am i going to do today. Matsuyama was hitting 30-40 yard pulls and pushes  during his sunday warmup at firestone this year and was very frustrated and shot i think a 62 or 63 when he teed up. Hitting balls and playing golf are not always the same ask any pro. Same goes for putting warmup.
Conversely, you can stripe it on the range then go out and stink it up. Same on putting green.

Edited by playa, 09 September 2017 - 10:50 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:46 PM

If you guys went to a PGA Tour event and followed guys around all day, you'd see they ALL hit terrible shots. Bad pitches, chips, putts........I've been to 100 Tour events, probably seen them all almost skank one (sorry, I can't say the word) . Saw Tiger on 9 at Bay Hill, layed the sod over on a 9-iron, ball only went 60 yards......Saw Norman slice a driver so bad at TPC, they never found it.....Saw Couple miss 2 putts inside 3 feet, and shot 64..........Leishman skanked one last week on 18, the one that almost hit the cameraman.....Those guys are human too......

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:54 PM

View Postroll - gybe, on 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not the right answer: I watched Tiger at the range at the Barclays on one of his comebacks. He was hitting 2 irons like a crazed 16 handicapper. He was hitting a ball every 22 seconds.  People were everywhere. He was clanking it, striping it, it was like watching Kurt Cobain.

Then at the 2014 US Open I sat at a tee box for a short par 4 dogleg and watched about 6 players shank 2 irons. Snedeker. Kooch. Stenson. All in contention. At that open I watched a par 3 where I thought Spieth hit the worst sounding ball of the bunch. He thinned a hybrid.  Everyone else hit an iron.

DJ was in contention and puring it. But he was stone hands on the greens. Not exactly clanking it, but something was not working properly.

I also watched Cabrera and Gossen duff chips shots at that par 3. Cabrera duffed 2. The Kaymer wedge was sort of genius.
I don't equate chipping with ball striking, despite the similarities of feel on a shot from the sweet spot. I think everyone has seen plenty of duffed chips from tour players at every tournament, much more frequent than poorly struck full shots. Personally I will generally hit less pure chips than full shots during a round.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 12:42 AM

View PostValtiel, on 04 September 2017 - 11:45 PM, said:

I thought of Poulter and Ricky Barnes as well, throw in Web Simpson for the shank factor too.

Maybe its just the clubs themselves, but I feel when watching Dustin Johnson highlights that I hear a lot of clanky sounding wedges and short irons, but particularly the wedges.

I've noticed the same "click" thing with DJ too. Wonder if this has been discussed before because he is the only guy I hear on the TV hit a lot of his irons and especially wedges that emit this high pitch clicking noise. And they're usually great shots but the sound is unique to him.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:19 PM

Everyone, but Stenson :)

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:34 PM

View Postb.helts, on 04 September 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 04 September 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Corey was short, but one of the greatest, most consistent strikers of the ball in the game. He is an example of the opposite of the OP's question.

Billy Horschel is known for not consistently puring his irons. When he clanks them, they still find target though. PING engineering!

Billy is a big clanker. The most successful clanker of all time is Colin Montgomery.

They don't all hit it Stenson flush but they do all have the club face square.

Am I reading this right? Monty a clanker ball striker?

Get right out the door.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:32 PM

Poulter
McDowell
Soren Kjeldsen

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

I played to a legit traveling tournament 3 index several years ago. Nothing special, but if I shot over 76-77, it was a poor round. One of the guys I played with regularly was a former high school and college golfer who was trying to give pro golf a shot and playing on (I think) the Adams tour, or some local mini tour. He couldn't cut it on a mini tour, but the difference in every aspect of the game between he and I was light years. When I was off and struggling, I was posting a mid-high 70s score, when he was off and struggling (by his definition), he hovered from -2 to par, rarely missed fairways or greens, and when he did miss fairways he hit incredible recovery shots, and missed greens were almost always a chip to within gimme range.

To know he couldn't cut it on a mini tour, and to think that anyone who makes a living on tour isn't a better ball striker than he is, let alone a mediocre ball striker, is absurd at best.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:39 AM

View Postbigred90gt, on 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

I played to a legit traveling tournament 3 index several years ago. Nothing special, but if I shot over 76-77, it was a poor round. One of the guys I played with regularly was a former high school and college golfer who was trying to give pro golf a shot and playing on (I think) the Adams tour, or some local mini tour. He couldn't cut it on a mini tour, but the difference in every aspect of the game between he and I was light years. When I was off and struggling, I was posting a mid-high 70s score, when he was off and struggling (by his definition), he hovered from -2 to par, rarely missed fairways or greens, and when he did miss fairways he hit incredible recovery shots, and missed greens were almost always a chip to within gimme range.

To know he couldn't cut it on a mini tour, and to think that anyone who makes a living on tour isn't a better ball striker than he is, let alone a mediocre ball striker, is absurd at best.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:08 AM

Jordan Spieth pulled it straight into the tree at the Travelers, drive only went about 200 yards, then hit a good long iron into the bunker and of course holed the bunker shot. Then there was the 50-yard slice off the tee at the Open this year. But then he hits a fantastic second shot and a brilliant chip and it's only a bogey. Both the drives were no better than a decent amateur player at best.

Or look at Poulter shanking the ball into the trees at 18 at the Players this year, then hitting an unbelievable recovery to a few feet.

I remember Jason Day duffing a wedge at the PGA in 2015 en route to a 20-under-par total.

Pros hit bad shots and lose concentration momentarily like everybody else, the difference is that you don't survive on the Tour very long if you're repeating these mistakes. Generally, they don't repeat them. Duck hook, shank, four-putt whatever. They just move onto the next hole and don't expect to make the same mistake again.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:19 PM

...........and Monty won this week

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:28 PM

View PostDave230, on 13 September 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

Jordan Spieth pulled it straight into the tree at the Travelers, drive only went about 200 yards, then hit a good long iron into the bunker and of course holed the bunker shot. Then there was the 50-yard slice off the tee at the Open this year. But then he hits a fantastic second shot and a brilliant chip and it's only a bogey. Both the drives were no better than a decent amateur player at best.

Or look at Poulter shanking the ball into the trees at 18 at the Players this year, then hitting an unbelievable recovery to a few feet.

I remember Jason Day duffing a wedge at the PGA in 2015 en route to a 20-under-par total.

Pros hit bad shots and lose concentration momentarily like everybody else, the difference is that you don't survive on the Tour very long if you're repeating these mistakes. Generally, they don't repeat them. Duck hook, shank, four-putt whatever. They just move onto the next hole and don't expect to make the same mistake again.

Great post!  They all make mistakes, but the best players in the world almost never follow a bad shot with another bad shot.  That is the key to scoring, to have that skill and mental discipline.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 02:20 PM

View PostHankshank, on 04 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Spieth ranks high here. He has improved considerably from tee the latest tournaments, though. But over the year, it has been a story of strange lies off tee,misses in the right spots, making it onto the green and sinking the normal ridiculous putts.

I wonder what his swing will look like in five years. If it will be more compact. Anyhow, it feel like his general swing motion is where the biggest potential for improvement is.

I haven't read all of the replies so forgive me if someone has touched on this already. I watched the 2013 Presidents Cup on Golf Channel and Jordan's swing has improved considerably since then.


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