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#31 jslane57

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:16 PM

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.
I don't believe it...

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:23 PM

View Postjslane57, on 04 September 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.
I don't believe it...

2nd SG: Tee to Green, 4th GIR   Good thing the poor little slob can putt.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:49 PM

If by human ball striker you mean someone that doesn't compress the ball consistently, then no, that does not exist on tour.  No amount of course management can make up for that.  There have certainly been players who have made up for some shortcomings in some areas by being great in others, just not that combo.

Now of course we can point out folks on tour that aren't as good at ball striking than others, but they are still light years better than an average player.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:35 PM

I immediately think of Poulter - probably one of the most prone to sh*nks that I have seen.

Monty a clanker? No way. He was pretty much the most consistent golfer of the 90's on any tour, and at a time when the Euro Tour was a lot closer to the US Tour in terms of talent.
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:45 PM

I thought of Poulter and Ricky Barnes as well, throw in Web Simpson for the shank factor too.

Maybe its just the clubs themselves, but I feel when watching Dustin Johnson highlights that I hear a lot of clanky sounding wedges and short irons, but particularly the wedges.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:40 AM

Spieth?????????????

Spieth is arguably the best ball-striker in the world.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:51 AM

This is crazy.  No mortal ball striker can make it on tour, or stay on tour.  Even web.com players are gods of ball striking.  The only mortal ball strikers on this planet are amateurs LOL.  Or you can call the mini tour players half man half amazing.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:09 AM

From a pure distance perspective Fred Funk was ordinary.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:13 AM

I remember standing behind Pavin in the range at Riviera during the LA Open sometime in the 80's and told myself, man I can hit it better than this guy. Of course I was kidding myself, but Pavin didn't seem to be in the same league as his peers. I second the motion on Stockton as well.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:54 AM

Brett Rumford is not the best ball striker in the world but his short game is amazing.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:58 AM

The "+4 turned pro who didn't make it on tour guy" already has out of this world ballstriking. No reason to think anyone not on tour can even compare let alone some amateurs. Though it's true some older guys didn't hit it as far as some now i'll bet the farm they middled it 90% of the time ;)

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 07:27 AM

Luke Donald and Ian Poulter come to mind
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 07:46 AM

Gary McCord.  

400 PGA starts - no wins.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:07 AM

View Postdbrokee, on 05 September 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Luke Donald and Ian Poulter come to mind

Former #1 in the world....

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

Ted Tryba...stood behind him whiles he practiced...i was shocked....

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:24 AM

I know his resume is quite impressive, but in a weird twist of pure randomness the few times I've seen Lee Janzen in a tournament he's hit a big snaphook or just plain awful shot. My college buddy also said the same, so it became this running joke of how bad he hits it. Yes we know, we know, 2 US Opens and a Players, just pure luck we both had the same experience.

Wesley Bryan hits it closer to the mortal side, he's just top 5 with his short irons and putting.

This person is battling injuries so it's not totally fair...but Danny Willet was big time struggling with his ballstriking when I saw him this summer, he hit either a quick hook or a low heeled fade.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:35 AM

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 04 September 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

View Postjslane57, on 04 September 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.
I don't believe it...

2nd SG: Tee to Green, 4th GIR   Good thing the poor little slob can putt.
I'd have double check, he is also #1 in proximenty to hole gping into last week.

His ball striking last year with his irons was suspect, though he was trying to change is swing a touch and this year it looks like he went back to doing what he did in 15.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:36 AM

View PostValtiel, on 04 September 2017 - 11:45 PM, said:

I thought of Poulter and Ricky Barnes as well, throw in Web Simpson for the shank factor too.

Maybe its just the clubs themselves, but I feel when watching Dustin Johnson highlights that I hear a lot of clanky sounding wedges and short irons, but particularly the wedges.
Even though Webb shanks from time to time his stats would show you he is pretty good ball striker
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:59 AM

The worst player on tour in terms of GIR is Steven Bowditch. He averages 53%. So about 9 greens. The average golfer averages about 4 and probably the average 8 handicap and below hits about 8 on average. So no on tour currently is hitting even close to human numbers on average. If you look at the bottom guys on tour in GIR most of them are struggling to keep cards.

With how courses are set up now days, you have to be able to hit far, drive it straightish, and hit your irons tight. I'd say 95% of the guys on tour have pretty good short games. Putting you just have to be average if you do the above. Look at Hideki. He hits it pretty far and one if best ball strikers on tour. Though his putting is one the worst on tour.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:05 AM

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 04 September 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

View Postjslane57, on 04 September 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.
I don't believe it...

2nd SG: Tee to Green, 4th GIR   Good thing the poor little slob can putt.

Spieth with a driver. Everything else I hate to say he's pretty damn good.


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:06 AM

As good as they all are, I'm quite surprised how mortal. they remain. TV coverage does not show you all the missed irons (especially mid ones) into greens but they do show the nailed ones. GIR is at 70% for the best in the world. It's sobering when you think about it.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

Spieth?  You all are nuts.  He is currently #1 in Strokes Gained with approach shots.   He's an average driver of the ball, but limits his miss to 1 side.  To me, that's a pretty good ball striker.


Ian Poulter.   I wouldn't say he gets it done with course management.  More with confidence, so that when he gets hot he becomes a different player.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 10:07 AM

Only successful tour pro who didn't impress me with his ball striking is Aussie pro Nick O'Hern. But O'Hern was a great grinder and had a heck of a short game. Every other tour player I've seen blows my mind with their ball striking.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 10:09 AM

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 11:20 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 05 September 2017 - 08:59 AM, said:

The worst player on tour in terms of GIR is Steven Bowditch. He averages 53%. So about 9 greens. The average golfer averages about 4 and probably the average 8 handicap and below hits about 8 on average. So no on tour currently is hitting even close to human numbers on average. If you look at the bottom guys on tour in GIR most of them are struggling to keep cards.

I think Bowdo's issues over the past season and a half or so have been more related to getting the ball in play off the tee than iron striking.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

If we go back a ways, the definitive answer is Seve. He sprayed shots everywhere, but it didn't matter
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 12:10 PM

Steven bowditch is good answer, I remember he chipped in a lot with one of his wins.  Rocco mediate also comes to mind, but he played really hurt

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 12:21 PM

View Postnic19, on 04 September 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

Was wondering if there were tour pros out there whose ball striking was human and whose course management makes the difference

First of all, once a golfer has gained tour pro status and are able to maintain it for numerous years ... their ball striking can no longer be defined as human.
Even ranked as top 400 on the OWGR, they are the top 400 (let alone top 100-200 to stay on a tour) out of millions of golfers, in no way is anything they do average or human in relation to the rest of us.
Maybe to the Top 25 golfers on the OWGR, but not us.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:36 PM

View Postkg92lefty, on 05 September 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 04 September 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

View Postjslane57, on 04 September 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.
I don't believe it...

2nd SG: Tee to Green, 4th GIR   Good thing the poor little slob can putt.

Spieth with a driver. Everything else I hate to say he's pretty damn good.

High 70s in distance (294.something), 120th in accuracy. It's not great, but he'd probably still win a club championship.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:48 PM

View Postmelo, on 05 September 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

If we go back a ways, the definitive answer is Seve. He sprayed shots everywhere, but it didn't matter

I might have to disagree with you.  That dude practiced hitting shots off a wet beach.  
You have to be some kind of ball striker to do that!


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