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#1 nic19

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:01 AM

Was wondering if there were tour pros out there whose ball striking was human and whose course management makes the difference


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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:17 AM

Strike out course management and replace it with short game and you have a thread.

Course management definitely makes a difference but if someone is a poor ball striker (relatively speaking anyway) then good thinking isn't going to make up for bad ball striking. You could argue that they can think as well as they want, if they are striking it badly they aren't going to be hitting their well thought our target.

On the other hand, a good short game can make up for a lot.
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:17 AM

People say c. pavin got away with a lot of scrambling.  Maybe Phil mickelson because he is known to hit a few awful tee shots per round, and some bad par 5 approaches.  Other than that, these guys are savages at ball striking

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:20 AM

Pavin was an incredible player... anymore like him?

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:38 AM

Padraig Harrington - scrambled his way to multiple majors and hit's it like your average pro.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:39 AM

They're all great ball strikers. After all,  they are the top 200 or so golfers in the world.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:47 AM

Always thought Monty was brilliant but limited player....  I love the fact he used shovels and ladies shafts

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

View Postfowlerscousin, on 04 September 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

People say c. pavin got away with a lot of scrambling.  Maybe Phil mickelson because he is known to hit a few awful tee shots per round, and some bad par 5 approaches.  Other than that, these guys are savages at ball striking

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Corey was short, but one of the greatest, most consistent strikers of the ball in the game. He is an example of the opposite of the OP's question.

Billy Horschel is known for not consistently puring his irons. When he clanks them, they still find target though. PING engineering!
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:44 AM

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 04 September 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Corey was short, but one of the greatest, most consistent strikers of the ball in the game. He is an example of the opposite of the OP's question.

Billy Horschel is known for not consistently puring his irons. When he clanks them, they still find target though. PING engineering!

Billy is a big clanker. The most successful clanker of all time is Colin Montgomery.

They don't all hit it Stenson flush but they do all have the club face square.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:45 AM

Jack said he was the best ball striker, ergo he was...
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:53 AM

Always been less than impressed by Crenshaw and Faxon .... until they got around the greens.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:21 AM

Phil has to be the king of this
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:29 AM

Spieth ranks high here. He has improved considerably from tee the latest tournaments, though. But over the year, it has been a story of strange lies off tee,misses in the right spots, making it onto the green and sinking the normal ridiculous putts.

I wonder what his swing will look like in five years. If it will be more compact. Anyhow, it feel like his general swing motion is where the biggest potential for improvement is.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:30 AM

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:35 AM

Monty was a clanker?!

Heard it all now

Even now he is ranked 9th on the Champions Tour when it comes to ball striking. He might not have hit the ball far but to suggest that he didn't hit the ball well is preposterous.

Given how average his putting was if he weren't a good ball striker, he would have been making his living in the commentary booth a long time ago.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 12:40 PM

View PostHankshank, on 04 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Spieth ranks high here. He has improved considerably from tee the latest tournaments, though. But over the year, it has been a story of strange lies off tee,misses in the right spots, making it onto the green and sinking the normal ridiculous putts.

I wonder what his swing will look like in five years. If it will be more compact. Anyhow, it feel like his general swing motion is where the biggest potential for improvement is.

I think the OP was looking for people more 'mortal' than former world No.1 and three time major winners Hank.

How about Chris Riley? I've seen better players who never got beyond web.com , yet Riley made a Ryder Cup team somehow.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 01:38 PM

Ricky Barnes and that Us Open circus act come to mind.



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Posted 04 September 2017 - 01:43 PM

View PostHankshank, on 04 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Spieth ranks high here. He has improved considerably from tee the latest tournaments, though. But over the year, it has been a story of strange lies off tee,misses in the right spots, making it onto the green and sinking the normal ridiculous putts.

I wonder what his swing will look like in five years. If it will be more compact. Anyhow, it feel like his general swing motion is where the biggest potential for improvement is.


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Posted 04 September 2017 - 02:14 PM

View Postnic19, on 04 September 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

Always thought Monty was brilliant but limited player....  I love the fact he used shovels and ladies shafts

Ladies shafts?  You sure about that?  He uses Aerotech Steelfibers right now, on the Champions Tour

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 02:16 PM

View PostKennyP, on 04 September 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

View PostHankshank, on 04 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Spieth ranks high here. He has improved considerably from tee the latest tournaments, though. But over the year, it has been a story of strange lies off tee,misses in the right spots, making it onto the green and sinking the normal ridiculous putts.

I wonder what his swing will look like in five years. If it will be more compact. Anyhow, it feel like his general swing motion is where the biggest potential for improvement is.

I think the OP was looking for people more 'mortal' than former world No.1 and three time major winners Hank.

How about Chris Riley? I've seen better players who never got beyond web.com , yet Riley made a Ryder Cup team somehow.

Riley is a great example.  He might be the least likely guy to make a Ryder Cup team, that I can think of


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Posted 04 September 2017 - 02:29 PM

I played with Jim Carter while he was still on tour and his ball striking was quite ordinary. Ball flight wasn't as tight as other tour players I had played with and trajectory was actually a touch unpredictable, which is unheard of at that level.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:09 PM

View PostCwebb, on 04 September 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

View Postnic19, on 04 September 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

Always thought Monty was brilliant but limited player....  I love the fact he used shovels and ladies shafts

Ladies shafts?  You sure about that?  He uses Aerotech Steelfibers right now, on the Champions Tour

So, I have a theory here.  I seem to remember Monty playing teal shafts in his big bertha irons/woods back in the mid 90s.  Around the same time, Callaway has the Ladies Gems, which sported the same color shafts.  I don't think Monty was playing the Gems, but I definitely remember them looking alike.

EDIT:  Check that.  I must have just been thinking about the headcovers on his woods looking like Ladies Gems.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:12 PM

View PostCwebb, on 04 September 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostKennyP, on 04 September 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

View PostHankshank, on 04 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Spieth ranks high here. He has improved considerably from tee the latest tournaments, though. But over the year, it has been a story of strange lies off tee,misses in the right spots, making it onto the green and sinking the normal ridiculous putts.

I wonder what his swing will look like in five years. If it will be more compact. Anyhow, it feel like his general swing motion is where the biggest potential for improvement is.

I think the OP was looking for people more 'mortal' than former world No.1 and three time major winners Hank.

How about Chris Riley? I've seen better players who never got beyond web.com , yet Riley made a Ryder Cup team somehow.

Riley is a great example.  He might be the least likely guy to make a Ryder Cup team, that I can think of

Yup below average at best tee to green but Spieth like putting for a stretch.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:17 PM

People saying Monty give your head a shake. he was a top 3 iron player and driver of the ball in his prime. His short game and putter kept him from being faldo in the majors... seve basically said this about monty
I could be wrong but monty led the euro tour in GIR for like 7 years

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:39 PM

Monty won the Euro Order of Merit 8 times..........has an incredible record in the Ryder Cup........probably one of the most underrated  players of his generation.


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Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:47 PM

Monty was (is) a great player. I am in no way denigrating his career. He had (has) a knack for delivering the club to the ball very square. What he didn't have a knack for was delivering the middle of the club head to the ball. Did he hit it more solid than Joe Q? Of course he did, but not compared to his peers.

Monty was a total clanker.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:09 PM

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:37 PM

Dave Stockton.  I played with him and he half fatted every iron shot but made every putt he looked at.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:42 PM

View Poststu_man, on 04 September 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

Dave Stockton.  I played with him and he half fatted every iron shot but made every putt he looked at.

Great Call!!  Total clanker

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:39 PM

Jordan Spieth isn't as far from this discussion as some would like to believe.

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