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#31 playa

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:50 PM

View PostNight train, on 03 September 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

I'm always amazed at someone who has the talent to achieve success on Tour................then decides to change their swing. It's worked for a very few (Faldo).........but most seem to end in disaster. Trevino, Furyk.........they were smart!
Tiger also maintained his form, but that was more despite swing changes than because of them. And Tiger is the exception to every rule.


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:07 PM

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 09:50 PM, said:

View PostNight train, on 03 September 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

I'm always amazed at someone who has the talent to achieve success on Tour................then decides to change their swing. It's worked for a very few (Faldo).........but most seem to end in disaster. Trevino, Furyk.........they were smart!
Tiger also maintained his form, but that was more despite swing changes than because of them. And Tiger is the exception to every rule.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:46 AM

Time to reunite with Bubba, Flat Billz & Crane for Golf Boys 3. Everything will fall into place after...  ☺

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:32 AM

View Postdcfas, on 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 12:16 PM

Hunter in his prime had one of the best swings on tour.  His impact position was textbook and incredible.  I haven't seen any swing videos lately of him but I'm thinking that he's not too far away...just needs something to click.  Hopefully, he doesn't lose his marbles in the meantime like many have.  His issues were also injury related, so it's not all in his mind.  I too hope to see him back.  He seems like a great guy but maybe just not as emotionally tough as you'd need to be to compete at the top right now.  Man, there's just so much talent out there now.
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:03 PM

View PostChristosterone, on 02 September 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

I remember the year he defended his title at the Accenture match play and lost to Kuchar in heart breaking fashion...2014 maybe

This was the end of the hunter Mahan as I knew him...
Have no clue if that loss had anything to do with it but from then on he began changes to everything...obsessively...

And the changes were disastrous...especially on his putting and chipping which had been deadly since his college days...like deadly...
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Does 50 yards in include chipping?  Dude chunked 'em like a 16 capper on a wet day,

He did have a nice Sean Foley long game though.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:05 PM

View Postdcfas, on 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.

Yeah but what's the rule vs. the exception in what you pointed out.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:22 PM

View PostOutlier, on 04 September 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

View Postdcfas, on 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.

Yeah but what's the rule vs. the exception in what you pointed out.

I believe that a great deal of Hunter's "issue" is that he has become more focused and dedicated to his role as a Dad as opposed to a pro golfer.

Nothing can change a person faster and to a greater degree than to make the realization that they won't be little for long and you had better enjoy them while you can. While many pros can mix family and career there are those who cannot; just seems that he was running on all cylinders until he became a father.

As a Dad myself (now she's 27) I can attest to how incredible the change is. I can still recall my buddies ribbing me because I was off duty, they wanted to play golf but I had plans with my (then) little girl.

I may be way off with this one but the timing seems to be there to me. Perhaps someone else knows a little more about the timing of his fall versus his having become a Dad.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:37 AM

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

View PostPGArox, on 03 September 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

Two words. Second word is Foley.

The guy ruined yet another career, huh? :)


I've never really been that big a fan of Hunter Mahan, even when he was enjoying a pretty decent run on the PGA TOUR.

Hunter always came across as not genuine, in the sense that his seemingly low self confidence made him unsure of himself.  Under what I perceived was a phony exterior, he seemed fragile.

Life beats up the fragile.  The losses, failures and disappointments slowly chip away at the psyche.  Soon you're making changes without really knowing (or believing in) what changes to make.  That's how I see Hunter Mahan. :)
I'm no swing guru so won't get technical, but just observing results it seems that every incarnation of s&t starts off great but ends up leading to big issues with the longer clubs, and back problems.

I've said my thoughts against foley often on wrx. He wrecks more people than he helps. His former teaching assistants and several juniors will tell you this much. One of my boys was a top 20 amateur in Canada and winning junior tournaments left and right, saw foley...hasn't won since and can't even take the club back some days. 100 thoughts in his head and contorted unnatural positions on the downswing/impact. I know he has PGA winners and awards but I'm heavily not a fan.

Played his junior event from '06-'09 and every time he spoke to us we all left scratching our heads. Comes across as a guy that desperately wants to show everyone how deep and enlightened he is. But it's just a paint job of stack and tilt 2.0 with even more shaft lean

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:28 AM

View PostBearQ, on 05 September 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

View PostPGArox, on 03 September 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

Two words. Second word is Foley.

The guy ruined yet another career, huh? :)


I've never really been that big a fan of Hunter Mahan, even when he was enjoying a pretty decent run on the PGA TOUR.

Hunter always came across as not genuine, in the sense that his seemingly low self confidence made him unsure of himself.  Under what I perceived was a phony exterior, he seemed fragile.

Life beats up the fragile.  The losses, failures and disappointments slowly chip away at the psyche.  Soon you're making changes without really knowing (or believing in) what changes to make.  That's how I see Hunter Mahan. :)
I'm no swing guru so won't get technical, but just observing results it seems that every incarnation of s&t starts off great but ends up leading to big issues with the longer clubs, and back problems.

I've said my thoughts against foley often on wrx. He wrecks more people than he helps. His former teaching assistants and several juniors will tell you this much. One of my boys was a top 20 amateur in Canada and winning junior tournaments left and right, saw foley...hasn't won since and can't even take the club back some days. 100 thoughts in his head and contorted unnatural positions on the downswing/impact. I know he has PGA winners and awards but I'm heavily not a fan.

Played his junior event from '06-'09 and every time he spoke to us we all left scratching our heads. Comes across as a guy that desperately wants to show everyone how deep and enlightened he is. But it's just a paint job of stack and tilt 2.0 with even more shaft lean
Yeah the way he describes positions of the swing really makes him come across as a charletan trying to bamboozle a mark. I think his swing seems way too complicated and unnatural to keep it together for any length of time. From someone who has dabbled in s&t I can say that when it all comes together you will hit the most solid shots you will hit in your life, but too many things can go wrong and it is punishing on your body. Not a long term swing imo.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:04 PM

View PostMedic, on 04 September 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostOutlier, on 04 September 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

View Postdcfas, on 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.

Yeah but what's the rule vs. the exception in what you pointed out.

I believe that a great deal of Hunter's "issue" is that he has become more focused and dedicated to his role as a Dad as opposed to a pro golfer.

Nothing can change a person faster and to a greater degree than to make the realization that they won't be little for long and you had better enjoy them while you can. While many pros can mix family and career there are those who cannot; just seems that he was running on all cylinders until he became a father.

As a Dad myself (now she's 27) I can attest to how incredible the change is. I can still recall my buddies ribbing me because I was off duty, they wanted to play golf but I had plans with my (then) little girl.

I may be way off with this one but the timing seems to be there to me. Perhaps someone else knows a little more about the timing of his fall versus his having become a Dad.

I'm in agreement with you about the becoming a dad thing. I think that had a lot to do with the fact that his game isn't where it used to be more than anything. I know he mentioned that the media kind of overplayed his "dad being #1" stuff, but as you mentioned I have to imagine that really is something that is more important to him than anything else in the world and I can't blame him. I don't have kids, but the friends of mine that do, certainly play much less golf than before, and while we enjoy giving them a hard time about it, we also all understand. Family will always come before golf for almost anybody and I will never fault a person for it as that's really the way it should be.

Now, Foley might be part of the issue as well, but I think that is very much secondary to things mentioned above with wanting to see his little girl grow up and be around for the "big moments".

With the demanding schedule you have to be at the absolute highest level of the game, being around a lot isn't always going to be an option and you have to prioritize what's the most important thing for you.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:12 PM

When I saw him on tv a couple of weeks ago, he looked like he was afraid that he would hit a bad shot, and he fully expected to hit a bad shot.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 08:43 PM

A Hunter Mahan thread pops up about once every 6 months. I saw him at the John Deere Classic this year and his swing is a shell of what it once was. Mentally, he's either completely lost it or just doesn't care anymore (they both lead to the same result) and while standing next to Candy, I couldn't help but notice her very present mom butt. I guess it started with his Ryder Cup yips. Some pros can recover from chunking chips and hitting a putt from off the green about 2 inches. Sadly, Hunter was not that type of pro. He's more like a normally reliable NFL kicker who misses a big kick and then can't make a field goal to save his life. His head's just not right. Oh, and Sean Foley took what little confidence Hunter had left and shattered it.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:54 PM

He always came across as an arrogant chode and mom butt is putting it lightly....

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:28 PM

I think the dad thing is being a bit overblown to be honest. I say this as a father of two toddlers who is very involved and beat to hell chasing them around.

Average guys with golf as a hobby have to cut back dramatically with kids in the mix. But I assume most of us still have jobs that we work 40 or more hours a weeks. It's not like all of a sudden we can't even have a job anymore. How many hours a day does the average tour pro practice? Maybe someone with more knowledge can correct me, but I don't think you could practice 8 hours a day every day without giving yourself a tiger like back by 30.

Lots of top guys out there seem to have kids. I remember seeing pictures of kuchars and days kids specifically but I'm sure a lot more have kids.  

I guess if you are financially independent and decide that you want to be home 100 percent of the time and never miss a single pre-k parent teacher conference then you might not be able to make it work on tour.  If you are like 99 percent of dads out there and want to be involved but still have a job as well then it's seems like it should be doable.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:28 AM

View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 08 September 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

View PostMedic, on 04 September 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostOutlier, on 04 September 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

View Postdcfas, on 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.

Yeah but what's the rule vs. the exception in what you pointed out.

I believe that a great deal of Hunter's "issue" is that he has become more focused and dedicated to his role as a Dad as opposed to a pro golfer.

Nothing can change a person faster and to a greater degree than to make the realization that they won't be little for long and you had better enjoy them while you can. While many pros can mix family and career there are those who cannot; just seems that he was running on all cylinders until he became a father.

As a Dad myself (now she's 27) I can attest to how incredible the change is. I can still recall my buddies ribbing me because I was off duty, they wanted to play golf but I had plans with my (then) little girl.

I may be way off with this one but the timing seems to be there to me. Perhaps someone else knows a little more about the timing of his fall versus his having become a Dad.

I'm in agreement with you about the becoming a dad thing. I think that had a lot to do with the fact that his game isn't where it used to be more than anything. I know he mentioned that the media kind of overplayed his "dad being #1" stuff, but as you mentioned I have to imagine that really is something that is more important to him than anything else in the world and I can't blame him. I don't have kids, but the friends of mine that do, certainly play much less golf than before, and while we enjoy giving them a hard time about it, we also all understand. Family will always come before golf for almost anybody and I will never fault a person for it as that's really the way it should be.

Now, Foley might be part of the issue as well, but I think that is very much secondary to things mentioned above with wanting to see his little girl grow up and be around for the "big moments".

With the demanding schedule you have to be at the absolute highest level of the game, being around a lot isn't always going to be an option and you have to prioritize what's the most important thing for you.
If I had enough money to retire when my little ones came along I would have left my job for sure. You couldn't blame him for taking his eye off the ball (pun intended).

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 07:53 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 02 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

You know Med...he's probably made $50M on and off, out kicked his coverage with Kandi, had some kids and has a great life...maybe like Maverick Cougar in Top Gun, he's just lost the edge.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:31 AM

View Postnitram, on 09 September 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 02 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

You know Med...he's probably made $50M on and off, out kicked his coverage with Kandi, had some kids and has a great life...maybe like Maverick Cougar in Top Gun, he's just lost the edge.

Fixed it for ya Dave :drinks:

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:49 AM

Everyone is subject to the allure of change.  Never allure to the status quo.


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:50 AM

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View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 08 September 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

View PostMedic, on 04 September 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

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View Postdcfas, on 04 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

With his talent he can return to fine form again. I think of Steve Stricker and Lee Westwood, both of whom had periods where they fell off the map only to return very, very successfully. I always expected Duval to do that but it never happened.

Best of luck to HM. He can do it.

Yeah but what's the rule vs. the exception in what you pointed out.

I believe that a great deal of Hunter's "issue" is that he has become more focused and dedicated to his role as a Dad as opposed to a pro golfer.

Nothing can change a person faster and to a greater degree than to make the realization that they won't be little for long and you had better enjoy them while you can. While many pros can mix family and career there are those who cannot; just seems that he was running on all cylinders until he became a father.

As a Dad myself (now she's 27) I can attest to how incredible the change is. I can still recall my buddies ribbing me because I was off duty, they wanted to play golf but I had plans with my (then) little girl.

I may be way off with this one but the timing seems to be there to me. Perhaps someone else knows a little more about the timing of his fall versus his having become a Dad.

I'm in agreement with you about the becoming a dad thing. I think that had a lot to do with the fact that his game isn't where it used to be more than anything. I know he mentioned that the media kind of overplayed his "dad being #1" stuff, but as you mentioned I have to imagine that really is something that is more important to him than anything else in the world and I can't blame him. I don't have kids, but the friends of mine that do, certainly play much less golf than before, and while we enjoy giving them a hard time about it, we also all understand. Family will always come before golf for almost anybody and I will never fault a person for it as that's really the way it should be.

Now, Foley might be part of the issue as well, but I think that is very much secondary to things mentioned above with wanting to see his little girl grow up and be around for the "big moments".

With the demanding schedule you have to be at the absolute highest level of the game, being around a lot isn't always going to be an option and you have to prioritize what's the most important thing for you.
If I had enough money to retire when my little ones came along I would have left my job for sure. You couldn't blame him for taking his eye off the ball (pun intended).

You seen the house he lives in? Doubt he has enough to keep living that lifestyle and retire

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:51 AM

View Postprorobo, on 09 September 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

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View PostDavePelz4, on 02 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

You know Med...he's probably made $50M on and off, out kicked his coverage with Kandi, had some kids and has a great life...maybe like Maverick Cougar in Top Gun, he's just lost the edge.

Fixed it for ya Dave :drinks:

Maverick lost the edge after Goose died. He got it back by flying with Tim Robbins and saving Iceman.

Cougar lost the edge after the scare tactics of the "Russian" fighter jets.  Maverick lost the edge after Goose died.  Iceman lost the edge to stay fit after the credits rolled.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:02 AM

View PostJasonic, on 08 September 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

He always came across as an arrogant chode and mom butt is putting it lightly....
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 01:49 PM

Every era has "the guy" that loses their form. Started with Miller, although how can you argue 25 wins and a few majors. Then Seve fell off, then Baker-Finch, Daly fell off the wagon a few times, Duval crashed, There have been countless others that lost it, we just didn't know it........Lanny tried after Faldo booted him out of the CBS booth, game was gone........And not all were from swing changes!...The game is HARD. Ask a competitor how hard it is......

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:57 AM

I wanted to copy his swing for a long time. I loved it. for a couple of years he was the birdie leader and could get on runs where he was lights out. There was also one year that he was the best over all driver on the tour,  which factors distance and accuracy. he was something like 300 yrd average 80% percent accuracy.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:14 AM

View Postprorobo, on 09 September 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

View Postnitram, on 09 September 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 02 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

You know Med...he's probably made $50M on and off, out kicked his coverage with Kandi, had some kids and has a great life...maybe like Maverick Cougar in Top Gun, he's just lost the edge.

Fixed it for ya Dave :drinks:

Maverick lost the edge after Goose died. He got it back by flying with Tim Robbins and saving Iceman.

Obscure lesser known reference. Well played.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:17 AM

Perhaps it might be marital trouble?  He's right at that 7-year itch stage.   Who knows?

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

HM at the thought of chipping or pitching from 50 and in....
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:17 PM

View PostNight train, on 03 September 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

I'm always amazed at someone who has the talent to achieve success on Tour................then decides to change their swing. It's worked for a very few (Faldo).........but most seem to end in disaster. Trevino, Furyk.........they were smart!

You can add Tiger to that very short list. However, he made TOO many changes, IMO

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:07 PM

You got to have a lot of "want to" to play well on tour.  Not giving it 100% is doom for most.  This would be my guess on the situation.

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