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Posted 02 September 2017 - 07:59 PM

Was watching him today playing on the Web.com and he was struggling. Missed a two to three footer for a birdie and just seemed really down on himself.

Remembering his hey day when he and Bubba teamed up to do some funny Ping commercials, watching him today reminded me of Duval. Once awesome and then - not so much.

Family obligations perhaps? Less focus on the tour and more on things of far more significance?

Really would like to see him get back to his old ways again. Only like 5 years ago, if memory serves, he was a top 10 player. Now he is battling to just stay on the Web.com Tour. Not quite as bad a "fall" as Tommy Gainey, who I followed off of The Big Break. But still a stunning turn in his career.

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:19 PM

I remember the year he defended his title at the Accenture match play and lost to Kuchar in heart breaking fashion...2014 maybe

This was the end of the hunter Mahan as I knew him...
Have no clue if that loss had anything to do with it but from then on he began changes to everything...obsessively...

And the changes were disastrous...especially on his putting and chipping which had been deadly since his college days...like deadly...
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:20 PM

He's too mechanical.  Ryder Cup yips.
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:23 PM

He's not battling just to stay on the Web.com Tour.  He's battling to keep his PGA Tour card, and in a decent position to do so.  Even if he doesn't keep his card he will still get into quite a few events next year on the PGA Tour.  

And he's 10th in the field in putting.  It's his ball striking that has slipped significantly

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:25 PM

Sucks to see him struggling. I caddied for a good friend in a group he was in for a regional US Am Pub Links qualifier back in '01. Ball Striking was just so pure back then. From what I gather, he's not battling to stay on the Web.com. He was fully exempt on the PGA tour all year but finished outside of the top 125 to retain his card automatically but can earn it through the Web finals. At the worst, he will be fully exempt on the Web next year I believe.

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:25 PM

You know Med...he's probably made $50M on and off, out kicked his coverage with Kandi, had some kids and has a great life...maybe like Maverick in Top Gun, he's just lost the edge.

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:44 PM

View PostBMC, on 02 September 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

He's too mechanical.  Ryder Cup yips.
Mahan won 3 times on the PGA Tour before the RC chunk (2010) and won 3 times on tour after the RC chunk and reached his highest ranking in 2012, 4th. I doubt his current issues are related to that one shot in 2010.

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:18 PM

It will be interesting to see if he can turn it around with his work with O'Connell. He is making lots of practice swings I assume working on the "RIT" release. It's not fun having to work on mechanical swing thoughts when you are trying to play golf. He does not look comfortable with the changes.
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:19 PM

View PostChristosterone, on 02 September 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

I remember the year he defended his title at the Accenture match play and lost to Kuchar in heart breaking fashion...2014 maybe

This was the end of the hunter Mahan as I knew him...
Have no clue if that loss had anything to do with it but from then on he began changes to everything...obsessively...

And the changes were disastrous...especially on his putting and chipping which had been deadly since his college days...like deadly...
Charles Howell III and Rickie Fowler once drooled over Mahans skills from 50 yards in....they often had friendlies as fellow OSU Cowboys

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50 yards in? That is odd...I would think 50 yards OUT.  Mahan is notoriously one of the WORST chippers to ever play the game. I have a good buddy at PING who has told me some stories of Mahan and his chipping. As he described it...It was so painful to watch. and this was in his prime. Possibly why he is so damn good with his irons. I'm not trying to argue with you AT ALL, especially if you have first hand knowledge but every thing I've ever been told by people around him was he struggled severely with pitching and chipping his entire career
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:20 PM

And for the record I'm a HUGE Mahan fan. Was at the same US Open Sectional site and saw him on a few adjacent holes and damn that guy can hit some damn good irons

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:26 PM

View PostKirkNo-yes, on 02 September 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

View PostChristosterone, on 02 September 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

I remember the year he defended his title at the Accenture match play and lost to Kuchar in heart breaking fashion...2014 maybe

This was the end of the hunter Mahan as I knew him...
Have no clue if that loss had anything to do with it but from then on he began changes to everything...obsessively...

And the changes were disastrous...especially on his putting and chipping which had been deadly since his college days...like deadly...
Charles Howell III and Rickie Fowler once drooled over Mahans skills from 50 yards in....they often had friendlies as fellow OSU Cowboys

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50 yards in? That is odd...I would think 50 yards OUT.  Mahan is notoriously one of the WORST chippers to ever play the game. I have a good buddy at PING who has told me some stories of Mahan and his chipping. As he described it...It was so painful to watch. and this was in his prime. Possibly why he is so damn good with his irons. I'm not trying to argue with you AT ALL, especially if you have first hand knowledge but every thing I've ever been told by people around him was he struggled severely with pitching and chipping his entire career

It was when he was younger(runner up at us am) and then when he was a world beater as a pro...
He was an excellent chipper...
This was from Charles Howell III whose not known for his wedge game but he said Mahan would take everyone's money in chip matches...like Ryan Moore assassin level...

His career went off the deep end chasing swing mods following the loss to Kuchar...he may have had a top ten here or there but was no longer one of the best players in the world and never again was "in the conversation"...

Again, my opinion is subjective but that loss to Kuchar demarcates a before and after career [to me]

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:58 PM

30 mil career earnings not including any sponsor money...

I hope he finds his game but as far a lifestyle and golf game goes he will always be miles ahead of me.

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 10:31 PM

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:10 AM

Two words. Second word is Foley.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 07:48 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 02 September 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

He's not battling just to stay on the Web.com Tour.  He's battling to keep his PGA Tour card, and in a decent position to do so.  Even if he doesn't keep his card he will still get into quite a few events next year on the PGA Tour.  

And he's 10th in the field in putting.  It's his ball striking that has slipped significantly

Was going by what the analyst said about his game on GC. I am amazed he's 10th in the field putting based on his performance yesterday. At one point, right after he missed the short birdie putt, he was close to chucking his putter. Did a good job getting his emotions back under control.

But the announcer made it sound like he was once 4th in the AWGR and had dropped to around 286th - and was working hard just to compete with the guys on the Web tour.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:16 AM

There is an article out that explains o Connell told him they are just trying to get him swinging exactly like when he was good. Sounds like a good plan to me but then why does o Connell have him doing all the hardy drills then that we see, like the rit release. He surely wasn't doing them when he was good. The article also explains why mahan went to him. He had a friend who knew o Connell and kept telling him he would be good for his game, finally checked him out and o Connell explain the only thing they would do was get him back to swinging the exact same as before, riiiigght

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:21 AM

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:14 AM

It's weird to see both Mahan and Crane fighting for their Tour cards.  The last I really remember of Mahan was in 2013 when he left the Canadian Open (which he was leading) to be with his wife for the birth of their daughter.  I know he played well in 2014 and even 2015 but the last 2 years he's been short of $300,000 in official money.  I know golf took a back seat to his family but you really have to wonder how much Foley messed him up to with all the zen crap.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:23 AM

View PostBMC, on 02 September 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

He's too mechanical.  Ryder Cup yips.
Most of the guys on tour are more technical than you could ever image
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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:26 AM

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

Two words. Second word is Foley.
Or he doesn't practice. He spends more time with his family.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:41 AM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 03 September 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

It's weird to see both Mahan and Crane fighting for their Tour cards.  The last I really remember of Mahan was in 2013 when he left the Canadian Open (which he was leading) to be with his wife for the birth of their daughter.  I know he played well in 2014 and even 2015 but the last 2 years he's been short of $300,000 in official money.  I know golf took a back seat to his family but you really have to wonder how much Foley messed him up to with all the zen crap.

He also said in the recent article that media kinda  blew his family comments up too much and it wasn't really all that although being a dad is number 1. He just made too many changes to his swing and said it might works for others, nothing wrong with the swing but that he just doesn't play his best with it. Foley and him just kept messing around too much with swing  and that is what a teacher on PGA told me in 2016 when I asked him what he thought

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:48 AM

Scoring average in 2012 when he made 4M on course was 71. This year it's 71.5 and hes made 300K

Just shows how much every shot counts , as does making the right putt at the right time sometimes
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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:53 AM

its interesting to see players fall from grace like this. just goes to show you that athletes come and go so fast, and the ones that can stick around at the top truly are special.
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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:33 AM

I haven't seen him live or on TV, but from what I can tell, his game bottomed earlier this year and seems to be getting a bit better the last few months.

Statistically, it appears that his biggest fall-off was with his approaches to the green with his driving and putting still above average by tour standards.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:03 AM

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

Two words. Second word is Foley.

The guy ruined yet another career, huh? :)


I've never really been that big a fan of Hunter Mahan, even when he was enjoying a pretty decent run on the PGA TOUR.

Hunter always came across as not genuine, in the sense that his seemingly low self confidence made him unsure of himself.  Under what I perceived was a phony exterior, he seemed fragile.

Life beats up the fragile.  The losses, failures and disappointments slowly chip away at the psyche.  Soon you're making changes without really knowing (or believing in) what changes to make.  That's how I see Hunter Mahan. :)


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:07 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 03 September 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

Scoring average in 2012 when he made 4M on course was 71. This year it's 71.5 and hes made 300K

Just shows how much every shot counts , as does making the right putt at the right time sometimes

Yeah, it's amazing how thin the line is between keeping a PGA TOUR card, and losing it.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:40 AM

I was/am a huge Mahan fan. It sucks to see him struggling.

The reality is the PGA tour is a dog-eat-dog world and Mahan is wearing Milk Bone underwear. There are so many young, talented players waiting in the wings for a guy like Mahan to stumble. Once that happens its hard to get back in.
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#28 ebrasmus21

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:24 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 03 September 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

Scoring average in 2012 when he made 4M on course was 71. This year it's 71.5 and hes made 300K

Just shows how much every shot counts , as does making the right putt at the right time sometimes

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View PostMtlJeff, on 03 September 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

Scoring average in 2012 when he made 4M on course was 71. This year it's 71.5 and hes made 300K

Just shows how much every shot counts , as does making the right putt at the right time sometimes

Yeah, it's amazing how thin the line is between keeping a PGA TOUR card, and losing it.

Very interesting.  I guess making on the tour is kind of like trying to make it to the big leagues.  Not an easy thing to do, margin for error seems nonexistent.

Edited by ebrasmus21, 03 September 2017 - 02:25 PM.

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#29 playa

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 04:38 PM

View PostPGArox, on 03 September 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postplaya, on 03 September 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

Two words. Second word is Foley.

The guy ruined yet another career, huh? :)


I've never really been that big a fan of Hunter Mahan, even when he was enjoying a pretty decent run on the PGA TOUR.

Hunter always came across as not genuine, in the sense that his seemingly low self confidence made him unsure of himself.  Under what I perceived was a phony exterior, he seemed fragile.

Life beats up the fragile.  The losses, failures and disappointments slowly chip away at the psyche.  Soon you're making changes without really knowing (or believing in) what changes to make.  That's how I see Hunter Mahan. :)
I'm no swing guru so won't get technical, but just observing results it seems that every incarnation of s&t starts off great but ends up leading to big issues with the longer clubs, and back problems.

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#30 Night train

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 05:19 PM

I'm always amazed at someone who has the talent to achieve success on Tour................then decides to change their swing. It's worked for a very few (Faldo).........but most seem to end in disaster. Trevino, Furyk.........they were smart!


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