Edited by knudson81, 01 September 2017 - 06:53 AM.
MEMBER TESTING: Cleveland CBX Wedges! See the Reviews Inside!!
Posted 01 September 2017 - 06:52 AM
Posted 01 September 2017 - 11:08 AM
Posted 01 September 2017 - 11:31 AM
Received my Club. Some initial thoughts on looks.
First, a little background about me. I've been playing for about 5 years. My Handicap ranges from a 12 to 15 depending on where and how much I play and practice in a given year. In general my game has been improving. In the last year my relative strengths have been my driver and my wedge play. Although I am currently in a funk with the driver. Typical driver carry is about 250 yards. 6 iron about 175.
For reference my club setup is as follows.
2017 M2 Driver 9.5 degrees Diamana S+ 60g S flex
915FD 3+ set to 14.25 degrees Diamana D+ 80 S flex
Aeroburner 5W 18 degrees. Speed Rulz 60g S flex
913H 21 degree Diamana S+ 80g S flex
716 AP2 5-9 DG S300
Ping Glide 47 SSDG S300
Ping Glide 56 SS DG S400
Callaway Mack Daddy 2 Tour 60/09 DG S300
Vokey SM4 64/07 degree DG S300
I previously used a Ping Glide 50 deg gap wedge but I decided to put my 64 deg Vokey back in the bag as it has been a useful and fun club for me.
I received a 54/12 degree Cleveland CBX wedge stock length and 2 degrees flat with a DG S300 shaft . This is obviously heavier than the stock shaft by a good amount but it matches better with my overall set. The 54 degree will work better for my gapping while giving me more options on sub 100 yard shorts. I have no issues varying my PW distances between 100 and 120 yards. I use Pelz's short game method which has served me well in this regard.
Anyway, On to the clubs themselves.
My first impression was that the wedge looked very nice. The milling and finish were high quality. There were no blemishes or imperfections. The face had the distinctive Rotex milling. The back had a clean look. You can tell there is a lot of perimeter weighting on this wedge but the cavity isn't obvious until you take a closer look. The V-sole is something I'm somewhat familiar with since I tested the Scor Wedge a few years back. This sole is noticeably different from the Scor as it is narrow toward the heel and wide toward the toe.
I have a few wedges laying around so I compared them at address.
(from left to right) Glide 50 SS, Glide 56 SS, CBX, Mack Daddy 2 Tour, Mack Daddy 2, SM4 Vokey. There is a little more offset on the CBX which will not make some happy but will most likely fit the target customer for these wedges. I play clubs with less offset typically but I am generally not put off by offset. Top line is very consistent with most of the wedges on the market. The only difference I noticed is that the CBX is a slightly bigger head.
From what I've seen, the Ping Glide is the closest competitor to the CBX. Address pics CBX (on left) vs Ping Glide(on right)
That is my review on the looks and design of the club. I plan to get out to the range and on the course to get some play time with it. I will report back in the next few days.
I spent some time on the chipping green and played 27 holes of golf at two courses with the CBX wedge. I used four types of urethane balls over the course of the weekend, the Zstar, Chrome Soft X, TPX, Callaway SR3
On the practice green: I spent some time hitting pitches, chips, lobs, and flops. I was half expecting this wedge to have a hot face that was difficult to control around the green. One of my peeves with GI set wedges is that the faces are too explosive. This was not the case with the CBX. I was happy to find it very controllable around the green.
Pitch shot's: The club felt great on pitch shots from 20 to 60 yards. The added MOI seemed to keep things consistent. The V sole seemed fine playing in the rough. The club was confidence inspiring on pitch shots. I tried both high soft pitches as well as lower dead hand pitches. Both were fairly easy to execute. The dead hands pitch spun well enough to bounce check and stop.
Chip shots: On chips the club also excelled. The distance you got is a reflection of what you put into the shot. The design seems to generate plenty of spin on urethane balls.
Flops/Cut Lobs: The CBX with the Vsole and 12 degrees of bounce is more than capable with these shots as long as you have a sufficiently fluffy lie. Trying the from a buried or tight lie is asking for trouble. The player that needs the flop will likely be looking for a lower bounce wedge.
First round was played on my local 9 hole executive course. Greens were about medium speed for reference. The first shot played was a 100 yard shot over a tree to the green off a firm lie. This was where I was saw a weakness with the sole. I could feel the club bounce off the hard ground and the shot felt thin but the ball hit the green and rolled to the back fringe. Despite the thinned shot, the ball got high enough the clear the tree. The next shot was a 3/4 shot from a softer fairway lie. I hit near the toe resulting in a toe hook that rolled about 6 yards. Forgiveness is definitely there although I was worried about not getting any spin. The next hole, I sliced a tee shot into rough on the adjacent hole. I had a row of trees on my path so the safest shot was to hit one over the trees back onto my fairway. I opened the face slightly and hit a beautiful high cut shot over the trees. leaving me with 100 yards to the pin. Next shot was well struck and landed within 6 feet of the hole and held the green nicely.
Played a full 18 on Sunday and had some extensive use of the club. Green speeds were on the fast side for reference. I found the ball flight high on full shots and spin was good enoug to drop and spot on the faster greens. I scuffed 3 golf balls during the round. Well stuck shots had a strong flight and the ball got to where it needed to go even into the breeze. I stuck few wedge shots right up on the hole. You can tell there is some help in this wedge and it inspired confidence.
Edited by cane700, 11 September 2017 - 10:41 PM.
Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:07 PM
Update 8 SEP: Club arrived yesterday and looks great. I ordered a 60* with a KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 shaft at 1/2" over with a midsize grip and all the custom options turned out great. Th finish looks very nice and high quality. I haven't had a chance to hit it, but will this weekend and will post pictures and a full review. Thanks again to Cleveland and WRX!
Update 11 SEP: Finally got out to the course to put the CBX wedge to the test. The wedge was very impressive and I tried full shots, medium length pitches, chips, flops, bunker shots and bump and runs. I'm coming from a Vokey 60K and the CBX 60* seems pretty similar with the forgiving wide sole. The head is little bigger than a Vokey, but not so big that's unworkable. The head reminds me of a Ping Eye wedge and that's a good thing. The feel is good and surprisingly responsive. I will get some pictures up soon, but I was impressed with my first impressions on the course today.
Edited by ALTSean, 11 September 2017 - 08:48 PM.
Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:47 PM
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AP1 712 4-GW
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 05:18 PM
About me, I am just getting back into golf after about a 10 year hiatus. I am pretty much a weekend warrior, currently at a 21.2 HCP, but improving every week. My goal this year is to shoot consistent 90's and break into the 80's here and there. So far I am tracking pretty well on those goals, but have yet to card in the 80's. It's coming!
My bag currently consists of Cobra F7 One Length Irons 5-SW, and a Vokey SM5 60.08 Wedge.
I chose the CBX in 56.12, stiff flex, with a midsize grip, 1 deg upright.
I am 5'6" ~190lbs, and I swing pretty fast. I would estimate my swing speed is 100mph+ but have never been on a trackman or anything like that. Maybe next year if I get fitted or lessons.
I haven't had a chance to hit the wedge yet, however I have a round scheduled on Monday and will be able to provide some feedback then.
I have attached some comparison pictures of the CBX against my F7 One SW (55deg) and the SM5 60.
My plan is to do some practice with the CBX and a round or two in then post some of my thoughts.
Enjoy the pics! Please let me know if you would like to see something else more specific!. Cheers
Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:27 PM
I'm currently a 13.0 hcp. The clubs firmly in the bag are ping I200 irons 5-UW, 58* pm grind wedge. My driver ss is 99-103 mph.
The timeline of this test couldn't have been better timing as I'm looking to replace a wedge. I currently am between a 55* x-22, which is a cavity back. This club has been good for full shots and thick lies. I'm able to open the face to add loft but because of the thick sole this is difficult on tight lies or hard pan. Due to this I've been back and forth with a Nike 52* 08 spin velocity. This club was purchased due to the new groove rules and was afraid of losing spin. The Nike had been good on tight lies and hard pan but the low bounce has caused at times for fat shots.
I chose to test the CBX 54*12 with the KBS tour stiff, standard length, 2*flat with MCC plus grip. The current plan is to take to the local short game area and get familiar with the club before putting to test with real rounds. I will post as quick as the info comes in.
Edited by Thunderfist, 06 September 2017 - 11:26 PM.
Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:24 AM
I went with a 56* with matching specs vs. my existing 56* RTX 3 (1 degree flat, DG wedge flex shaft, MCC+4 grip). Plan is to put both through their paces at my club's short-game facility first, then take it out on the course. For anyone following the thread, please let me know if there are specific shot types you'd like comparison feedback on vs. the traditional blade style RTX3. Can also comp vs. my old Cally MD2 if there is interest...
Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:22 PM
Posted 06 September 2017 - 09:38 PM
I've been playing golf for 2.5 years now and I'm currently a 16 handicap. I like to tinker, so I've run through a lot of equipment in those 2 years. I currently have Ping G Irons 5-U in my bag along with Cleveland RTX 2.0 Black wedges in 56 and 60 with 3 dots of bounce. I also have a Ping G SW, but the RTX 2.0 seems to have knocked it out of the bag for now.
I wanted to test the 56 degree club and it was sitting on my front porch when I got home from work today. My first impression was the satin finish on the CBX was a big upgrade over the black finish on the RTX. I never noticed it until I had them side by side, but the RTX face is little busy. There looks to be a little more offset on the CBX. You'd never know it was a cavity back club looking down at address. I didn't look at the swing weights, but the CBX seems a touch lighter.
I went to the backyard to hit a couple of pitches, but didn't really learn anything. I'll have it in the bag tomorrow night for 9 holes, so I'll report back then.
Edited by lspky_muskie, 06 September 2017 - 10:13 PM.
Posted 07 September 2017 - 08:14 PM
First hole is a Par 5. Hit the drive in the rough and I laid up to 105 yards just so I could hit this. Put my stock full iron swing on it, ball flew high and straight, carried about 110 and stuck after 1 hop.
Second hole is a short and tight par 4 with a blind tee shot. I hit a hybrid down the middle and had 90 yards in. 3/4 swing carried about 85 and backed up a little.
Third hole is a dog leg left Par 4. Hit my tee shot up the left side of the fairway, but left myself with a weird lie about 110 yards out. This is where the club definitely outperformed my RTX. I put a bad swing on the ball, hit what should have been a really fat shot, and somehow got the ball up onto the green.
Didn't have a chance to use it again until the ninth hole. Hit the drive into the first cut on the left about 110 yards out. Stuck the ball 3 from the hole for a birdie.
Headed over to the short game practice area and got some work in.
Chipping: The Dual V sole definitely feels a little bit different than anything else I've used when you're chipping. I had to regrip a few times to get comfortable that the club was square to the target. I'm not sure if it is good or bad or just different. CBX was producing less roll out the the RTX, but that might just be fresh grooves.
Pitching: This is a big weakness of mine. It was easy to get the ball up in the air and the ball stopped quickly. Mishits seemed to fly about the same distance as a clean hit which is a game changer.
Might play tomorrow night and will play 36 this weekend. Looking forward to getting more experience with it out on the course.
Posted 09 September 2017 - 07:53 PM
I had four full swings with the club today, all around 115 yards. It almost didn't matter how good the swing was, every shot was on line and travelled very similar distance, but the biggest difference was the distance control over an ap1. Sometimes the ap1 will go 10 yards long or short with the same swing, I dont know if there are hot spots on the ap1 face or what, but not with the cbx. All went exactly the distance they should have. This might be the main reason I keep this club over the set gw. Nothing worse than putting a good swing on it and flying the green.
I had a few chips from 50 or so yards and I used the cbx, absolutely no problem on half and quarter swings. It was really wet today, but this club would be really hard to hit fat. Another huge benefit over the ap1 was spin. I could stop shots much easier with the cbx, which gave me way better proximity to the hole.
I will keep using the cbx and keep updating. I play again monday.
Pictures for comparison tomorrow.
Overall, if this kind of performance continues, I will definitely continue using the cbx. I might even get one in 46* to replace the pitching wedge.
Titleist 906F4 GD YS6+
Ping G5 19* GD YS6+
AP1 712 4-GW
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:03 PM
Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:38 PM
Overall thoughts: Mid/high handicappers such as myself will absolutely benefit from replacing any blade style wedge used for full swings with the CBX. If I were re-doing my bag, I'd almost certainly replace my current RTX-3 50* with the CBX version based on much more consistent performance on full swings. I'm strongly considering leaving the 56* CBX in my bag as I found it much easier to hit out of the sand, though it does give up some versatility around the greens - I'd absolutely want one of my higher lofted wedges (56 or 60) in a more traditional style where I could more easily open up the face.
*More consistency on full shots - on a well struck full swing 56*, I expect to carry ~90 yards, but the range is wide (+/- 10-12 yards depending on quality of contact); with the CBX, I'd say it was more like +/- 5-7 yards - huge improvement
*Very easy to hit out of the sand - probably the weakest part of my game, but I was 12/12 getting out of the practice bunker; CBX glides through the sand nicely, ball comes out nice and high
*Not overly noticeable on chips/pitches off fairway lies, but noticed much better quality of contact on balls hit out of the rough - definitely gave me confidence on tricker lies knowing that even if I didn't find the dead center of the club face that I could still produce a consistent shot
*Had no problem hitting my typical flight or a higher ball, but for whatever reason it was a struggle to hit lower trajectory chips and pitches with the CBX
*Can't open up the face very much with the CBX - generally higher trajectory on normal shots made this less necessary, but I'd definitely want at least one more versatile wedge in the bag
Chip shots from fairway lies: The ball definitely comes off the CBX club face higher, lands softly with very little rollout - maybe 2-3 feet vs. 4-5 feet for me with my current wedge. Took a little getting used to as I could be more aggressive with the CBX, but once I adjusted saw fairly similar dispersion with both wedges. CBX is a touch more forgiving with slightly off-center contact, though difference wasn't really meaningful (maybe an extra foot vs. the RTX-3). I'd call this a push.
Chip shots from rough: Overall similar trajectory and rollout profile as fairway chips, but added forgiveness of the CBX a bit more apparent here as I'm less likely to make clean contact from this type of lie. Slight edge to CBX.
Pitch shots from fairway lies: Probably a relative strength of my short game, so I preferred the RTX-3 to the CBX here. CBX launched a touch higher, but with a little less spin than the RTX-3, so net result was pretty similar in terms of rollout. Didn't notice a material difference in dispersion, though I purposefully hit a few off the toe with the CBX and only lost a couple yards on half swings. Biggest drawback to the CBX for me was trying to hit lower trajectory pitch shots - for whatever reason, I just couldn't do it, and mostly ended up skulling the ball. Edge: RTX-3.
Pitch shots from rough: Like with the chip shots out of the rough, definitely noticed improved contact with the CBX. Stepped on a few to give myself really terrible deep rough lies and had no trouble going down to get the ball with the CBX. Again, very confidence inspiring with bad lies as the CBX really seemed to move through the rough pretty effortlessly. Also seemed less likely to twist in thicker grass, so shots started more consistently on target. Edge: CBX.
Flop shots: The one real drawback of the CBX showed up here. I could open the face up a touch and move the ball a bit forward without any issue, but anything more than a couple degrees and it's pretty tough to hit. Edge: RTX-3.
Bunker shots: As I noted above, probably the weakest part of my game, and I purposely chose the 56* in stead of the 50* to test as I wanted something I could hit out of the bunker. I was not disappointed, getting every shot out of the bunker and onto the green in one (this is an accomplishment for me). Ball came out nice and high, which was nice because, as mentioned, it's better not to open the club face more than a few degrees. I'll gladly sacrifice that to get out of the bunker 100% of the time though, so net net still a big win for the CBX in my mind.
Full swing: An other area the CBX really shined. For the most part, on any shot inside 100 yards I prefer to take a partial swing, but with the CBX I could see that changing. A well struck 56* for me carries ~90 yards, but with pretty wide variance based on quality of contact and impact position. +/- 10-12 yards isn't uncommon for me, so the RTX-3 has been more or less unplayable for anything more than a 3/4 swing. With the CBX, that probably narrowed to +/- 5-7 yards, still not amazing, but certainly something that could become playable with a bit of range time. As I mentioned earlier, if I was redoing my bag I'd almost certainly replace the existing RTX-3 50* with a CBX as I do use that for full swings pretty regularly.
Visually, despite the much thicker sole, I found the RTX-3 and the CBX to be fairly similar at address with the slightly thicker CBX topline barely noticeable to me (address shot left to right is CBX, RTX-3, Cally MD2).
Edited by jgallant415, 09 September 2017 - 09:43 PM.
Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:30 PM
First off this club makes pitching and chipping very easy from the fairway or right lie. When struck well the ball is very consistent. Whether you play low runner or fly it to the hole, expect consistency. On miss hits the extra mass have and you still get decent roll out and obviously a skull is still a skull. From the rough this club performs good as well. From a fluffy lie the club still gets the ball air born easy without manipulating the face. The thicker lies s sitting down the CBX is great for going down a digging out. Again the extra mass helps keeping the face online and the ball came out as high or higher than my 58* pm.
Next I got some flops over a bunker to the small part of the green, approximately 20yds. This is were I think the v sole was valuable. I could easier pop the ball up quick and high. I found the sole kept me from digging and leaving the shot short, very impressed. I compared the flops vs the my pm wedge and I give the slight wedge to the CBX. The pm grind I'm able to flip the ball higher but I found the risk of digging so much higher than the CBX.
Bunker shots the sole again shines. On hard packed or thin lies the sole doesn't bounce like typical soles. So instead of bouncing and skulling the shot across the green the club doesn't bounce as much and you can still pull off a decent shot. I had little trouble with packed thin lies getting the ball in the air. For good lies and I prefer my pm grind but the thin lies and fried egg lies the CBX will out perform the pm grind.
Full shots are easy with the CBX. The ball launches high and straight. I tried and tried to manipulate the ball flight. I could move the ball 2 or 3 yes at most. Struggling is what you hit though. I also tried to lower the trajectory but this was not happening. I could change my distance but the fight was always high. This was the only week point I've found with this club.
Not it's time to put the club to the test out on the course, and I can't believe I'm saying this, hopefully with some wind.
Posted 11 September 2017 - 03:51 PM
Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:37 PM
"Looks great, gets up quick, and stops on a dime"
Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:47 PM
Edited by cane700, 12 September 2017 - 05:48 PM.
Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:01 PM
One of the guys in our group was a low cap and was interested in it. Hit it a few times and was surprised at the feel and accuracy. It looks like a blade wedge and plays like a cb iron. He couldnt miss with it.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:34 AM
Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:55 PM
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:11 PM
The club continues to shine on 1/2, 3/4, and full shots. I hit a couple of flights 50 yard shots and they all stopped after one bounce. The grooves just seem to grab the ball and create so much spin.
Posted 16 September 2017 - 06:29 PM
Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:03 PM
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