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#541 bscinstnct

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:16 PM

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His swing looks pretty good to me....bs more similar to early 2000 and he doesn't have the insanely vertical shoulders through impact which in my opinion is what compressed his disks and lead to the back problems from the get go.  The result is a more upright finish and less stress on his back....Over the last 12 years or so his shoulders would get insanely closed on the way down (most likely from his super fast lower body).   The only this is that if he indeed isn't swinging full speed with his irons, will this continue or will his shoulders get vertical again once he starts going at it full speed...especially with the driver.
I personally don't see much 2000 in the swing. The 2000 swing had more extension and was more free to swing the arms. This swing is body driven, very much "connected". This might just be because he has a bigger body, but his left arm is lower at the top and his right elbow is tight to his body. The shaft is also more vertical than 2000, which is new. I think Tiger's tendency is to be a little upright halfway back and, according to Haney, fights with this. I think if he took the club back to vertical he'd be across the line. Hard to tell though.

I personally think he needs an arms driven swing to help preserve his back. I think this biomechanically correct stuff he's searching for is great, but putting a lot of pressure on rigidly tying his arms to his body while the body turns hard. Guys like Tom Watson can hit great shots with his feet together, essentially hitting with just his arms. I doubt Tiger could do that well right now.

Anyways, that's my opinion. It means nothing, but you should all know that I'm 100% correct.

His takeaway and halfway back is different compared to 2000. He takes hands more in and higher right arm and I think that's the main difference in how he reaches his top position compared to 2000. He's been doing this for awhile now. His top position isn't that much different from 2000 but it isn't the same and I think it comes from how he's taking the club away in first half of back swing. He current takeaway/halfway back fits more of a body driven swing, imo



Nice observation.

TW 2000 swing was like Rambo meets Gumby

Days looooong gone by

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Doubtful he'd take swing photos hatless now as well. Those days have passed lol

Smooth one ; )

But, I know you want TW to succeed.

You cant fool me.

Tigerrrrr!





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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:22 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 12 October 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

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View PostPowderedToastMan, on 12 October 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

View Postferrispgm, on 12 October 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

His swing looks pretty good to me....bs more similar to early 2000 and he doesn't have the insanely vertical shoulders through impact which in my opinion is what compressed his disks and lead to the back problems from the get go.  The result is a more upright finish and less stress on his back....Over the last 12 years or so his shoulders would get insanely closed on the way down (most likely from his super fast lower body).   The only this is that if he indeed isn't swinging full speed with his irons, will this continue or will his shoulders get vertical again once he starts going at it full speed...especially with the driver.

I personally don't see much 2000 in the swing. The 2000 swing had more extension and was more free to swing the arms. This swing is body driven, very much "connected". This might just be because he has a bigger body, but his left arm is lower at the top and his right elbow is tight to his body. The shaft is also more vertical than 2000, which is new. I think Tiger's tendency is to be a little upright halfway back and, according to Haney, fights with this. I think if he took the club back to vertical he'd be across the line. Hard to tell though.

I personally think he needs an arms driven swing to help preserve his back. I think this biomechanically correct stuff he's searching for is great, but putting a lot of pressure on rigidly tying his arms to his body while the body turns hard. Guys like Tom Watson can hit great shots with his feet together, essentially hitting with just his arms. I doubt Tiger could do that well right now.

Anyways, that's my opinion. It means nothing, but you should all know that I'm 100% correct.

His takeaway and halfway back is different compared to 2000. He takes hands more in and higher right arm and I think that's the main difference in how he reaches his top position compared to 2000. He's been doing this for awhile now. His top position isn't that much different from 2000 but it isn't the same and I think it comes from how he's taking the club away in first half of back swing. He current takeaway/halfway back fits more of a body driven swing, imo



Nice observation.

TW 2000 swing was like Rambo meets Gumby

Days looooong gone by

Posted Image

Doubtful he'd take swing photos hatless now as well. Those days have passed lol

Smooth one ; )

But, I know you want TW to succeed.

You cant fool me.

Tigerrrrr!



It would be a great story but I don't think it's going to happen. I thought he'd pull it off at the masters then illegally dropped. Can't seem to get out of his own way.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:22 PM

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View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

"People like me"...?? This is a golf forum dude not sure you realize that. Also I said I have no hate. People calling people "haters" is so millennial. Grow up newbie.

Millenial ? Actually calling someone a "newb" is so millenial.

Fix your own game before critiquing one of the best ever. Not one established instructor has mentioned balance issues in his latest swing.

So only people that were as good as Tiger can comment on his game? well that puts a whole new spin on sports media in general. You seem personally offended. If your skin is seriously that thin when someone comments tigers new swing isn't the bees knees, you're going to have a tough go on this site. Good luck, kid.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:32 PM

View PostRange Rodent, on 12 October 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostRange Rodent, on 12 October 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

"People like me"...?? This is a golf forum dude not sure you realize that. Also I said I have no hate. People calling people "haters" is so millennial. Grow up newbie.

Millenial ? Actually calling someone a "newb" is so millenial.

Fix your own game before critiquing one of the best ever. Not one established instructor has mentioned balance issues in his latest swing.

So only people that were as good as Tiger can comment on his game? well that puts a whole new spin on sports media in general. You seem personally offended. If your skin is seriously that thin when someone comments tigers new swing isn't the bees knees, you're going to have a tough go on this site. Good luck, kid.

You can comment all you want with nonsense. Nothing wrong with Tiger's balance and I'm 55+ ... son.

Are you a qualified professional or jack Nicklaus? How are you sure he's balanced as only them are deemed able to critique?? I think your knickers are in a bunch gramps. Sanka is your friend.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:51 PM

I'm all for talking about his swing and such but if his body holds up it's more about what's on the inside than anything we can see.   The swing is a fairly small part of the equation in a possible comeback IMHO.  Within reason.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:59 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.

Nice avatar.

Ever hit one of those like this? (2i, 261)



Its ok.

Even though you have not.

Your comments are welcome ; )

Edited by bscinstnct, 12 October 2017 - 09:00 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:20 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 12 October 2017 - 08:59 PM, said:

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.

Nice avatar.

Ever hit one of those like this? (2i, 261)



Its ok.

Even though you have not.

Your comments are welcome ; )

No, I have not done that.  261 is a soft butter cut 6-iron for me.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:25 PM

View PostZAP, on 12 October 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

I'm all for talking about his swing and such but if his body holds up it's more about what's on the inside than anything we can see.   The swing is a fairly small part of the equation in a possible comeback IMHO.  Within reason.

I agree and I feel like this doesn't get talked about enough.

Even if he's healthy enough to eventually play, say, 15 tournaments a year, there's a whole lot of other stuff going on that was evident before his bigger back issues started.

In 2013, when he was winning, he was clearly not the same in major championships as he had been earlier in his career.  I recall him being in contention on the weekends in a couple and fading.

Then he had his short game issues, and I believe it was 2015 at the Wyndham where he was in or tied for the lead and completely shanked a chip on the back 9 to shoot himself out of the tournament.

I'm not saying he'll never win again, but it's certainly not like the minute he's healthy that's all he has to do.  There are a variety of reasons why winning with any consistency again may be difficult for him, beyond his back.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:26 PM

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And chocolate malts are your friend .. very clever to combine your first name with your place of employment. Do you still deliver burgers on roller skates ?

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:29 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

View PostZAP, on 12 October 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

I'm all for talking about his swing and such but if his body holds up it's more about what's on the inside than anything we can see.   The swing is a fairly small part of the equation in a possible comeback IMHO.  Within reason.

I agree and I feel like this doesn't get talked about enough.

Even if he's healthy enough to eventually play, say, 15 tournaments a year, there's a whole lot of other stuff going on that was evident before his bigger back issues started.

In 2013, when he was winning, he was clearly not the same in major championships as he had been earlier in his career.  I recall him being in contention on the weekends in a couple and fading.

Then he had his short game issues, and I believe it was 2015 at the Wyndham where he was in or tied for the lead and completely shanked a chip on the back 9 to shoot himself out of the tournament.

I'm not saying he'll never win again, but it's certainly not like the minute he's healthy that's all he has to do.  There are a variety of reasons why winning with any consistency again may be difficult for him, beyond his back.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:29 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 09:20 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 12 October 2017 - 08:59 PM, said:

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.

Nice avatar.

Ever hit one of those like this? (2i, 261)



Its ok.

Even though you have not.

Your comments are welcome ; )

No, I have not done that.  261 is a soft butter cut 6-iron for me.



; )

Edited by bscinstnct, 12 October 2017 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:41 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

View PostZAP, on 12 October 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

I'm all for talking about his swing and such but if his body holds up it's more about what's on the inside than anything we can see.   The swing is a fairly small part of the equation in a possible comeback IMHO.  Within reason.

I agree and I feel like this doesn't get talked about enough.

Even if he's healthy enough to eventually play, say, 15 tournaments a year, there's a whole lot of other stuff going on that was evident before his bigger back issues started.

In 2013, when he was winning, he was clearly not the same in major championships as he had been earlier in his career.  I recall him being in contention on the weekends in a couple and fading.

Then he had his short game issues, and I believe it was 2015 at the Wyndham where he was in or tied for the lead and completely shanked a chip on the back 9 to shoot himself out of the tournament.

I'm not saying he'll never win again, but it's certainly not like the minute he's healthy that's all he has to do.  There are a variety of reasons why winning with any consistency again may be difficult for him, beyond his back.

You guys take this too seriously.

The notion that TW will win again is totally absurd.

Impossible, never happen. Be happy if he even *plays* 4 full rounds again.





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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:26 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:37 PM

Basic


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:28 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.

Also, dont forget, linebacker...

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:34 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 12 October 2017 - 08:59 PM, said:

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.

Nice avatar.

Ever hit one of those like this? (2i, 261)



Its ok.

Even though you have not.

Your comments are welcome ; )

it was a 238 carry to the bunker, not 261. super impressive of course but lets not exaggerate

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:08 AM

View Postlowheel, on 12 October 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.

Also, dont forget, linebacker...

Nah, that's Rors. He's definitely jacked like an NFL linebacker. I know because lots of people on wrx told me.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:48 AM

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

View PostRange Rodent, on 12 October 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostRange Rodent, on 12 October 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

"People like me"...?? This is a golf forum dude not sure you realize that. Also I said I have no hate. People calling people "haters" is so millennial. Grow up newbie.

Millenial ? Actually calling someone a "newb" is so millenial.

Fix your own game before critiquing one of the best ever. Not one established instructor has mentioned balance issues in his latest swing.

So only people that were as good as Tiger can comment on his game? well that puts a whole new spin on sports media in general. You seem personally offended. If your skin is seriously that thin when someone comments tigers new swing isn't the bees knees, you're going to have a tough go on this site. Good luck, kid.

You can comment all you want with nonsense. Nothing wrong with Tiger's balance and I'm 55+ ... son.

Are you a qualified professional or jack Nicklaus? How are you sure he's balanced as only them are deemed able to critique?? I think your knickers are in a bunch gramps. Sanka is your friend.

Are you?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:01 AM

I've found that it is extremely difficult to strike just the right conversational balance in the many Tiger threads here...somewhere between delusion and virulence would seem to be about right though.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:02 AM

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View PostRange Rodent, on 12 October 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostRange Rodent, on 12 October 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 12 October 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

"People like me"...?? This is a golf forum dude not sure you realize that. Also I said I have no hate. People calling people "haters" is so millennial. Grow up newbie.

Millenial ? Actually calling someone a "newb" is so millenial.

Fix your own game before critiquing one of the best ever. Not one established instructor has mentioned balance issues in his latest swing.

So only people that were as good as Tiger can comment on his game? well that puts a whole new spin on sports media in general. You seem personally offended. If your skin is seriously that thin when someone comments tigers new swing isn't the bees knees, you're going to have a tough go on this site. Good luck, kid.

You can comment all you want with nonsense. Nothing wrong with Tiger's balance and I'm 55+ ... son.

Are you a qualified professional or jack Nicklaus? How are you sure he's balanced as only them are deemed able to critique?? I think your knickers are in a bunch gramps. Sanka is your friend.

Are you?

No, I'm not. That's the point. Saying you're not qualified to comment on tigers immaculate beauty unless you are was his criteria. If that's the case this whole site would have one person on it and I don't know if jack even knows how to use instasnap.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:15 AM

View PostJasonic, on 13 October 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:


No, I'm not. That's the point. Saying you're not qualified to comment on tigers immaculate beauty unless you are was his criteria. If that's the case this whole site would have one person on it and I don't know if jack even knows how to use instasnap.

Comment all you want on Tiger's swing. Most of us that have been here for awhile know who to ignore in swing evaluations.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:03 AM

View PostTitleist 670, on 12 October 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

I love Tiger threads.  If you're a fan of his, you can comment on everything related to his relationship with his father and how that impacted his game, the current state of his back, his golf swing, how he is finally being honest, etc.

If you say something bad about his swing or his back, however, you are not allowed to comment on it if you haven't had the same back procedure or aren't a 14 time major champion.

Always great entertainment.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:13 AM

Tiger will win on tour again.

The GOAT's injured B- game can still compete.

I'll never count TW out until he walks away for good.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:36 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 PM, said:

Basic


??

Ha! No, I'm just not sure if TW can adjust his mindset to the type of game his body will let him play now. His game was built on having the "extra gear" and destroying par 5s.

How can he adjust. It seems as soon as he leaves the range and hits the 1st tee with his drive, those instincts take over and he loses his mind.

There was a guy who overcame even higher odds to come back from career threatening, (life threatening threatening really) injuries. But, Hogan was very shrewd and a master of a **controlled** swing>

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:12 AM

View PostGhost of Snead, on 13 October 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 13 October 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:


No, I'm not. That's the point. Saying you're not qualified to comment on tigers immaculate beauty unless you are was his criteria. If that's the case this whole site would have one person on it and I don't know if jack even knows how to use instasnap.

Comment all you want on Tiger's swing. Most of us that have been here for awhile know who to ignore in swing evaluations.

Yep.  All those guys over in the instructor forums.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:26 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 13 October 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostGhost of Snead, on 13 October 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 13 October 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

No, I'm not. That's the point. Saying you're not qualified to comment on tigers immaculate beauty unless you are was his criteria. If that's the case this whole site would have one person on it and I don't know if jack even knows how to use instasnap.

Comment all you want on Tiger's swing. Most of us that have been here for awhile know who to ignore in swing evaluations.

Yep.  All those guys over in the instructor forums.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:41 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 13 October 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostGhost of Snead, on 13 October 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostJasonic, on 13 October 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

No, I'm not. That's the point. Saying you're not qualified to comment on tigers immaculate beauty unless you are was his criteria. If that's the case this whole site would have one person on it and I don't know if jack even knows how to use instasnap.

Comment all you want on Tiger's swing. Most of us that have been here for awhile know who to ignore in swing evaluations.

Yep.  All those guys over in the instructor forums.

With the exception of the proven instructors giving their time for free, agreed.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:54 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 13 October 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 PM, said:

Basic


??

Ha! No, I'm just not sure if TW can adjust his mindset to the type of game his body will let him play now. His game was built on having the "extra gear" and destroying par 5s.

How can he adjust. It seems as soon as he leaves the range and hits the 1st tee with his drive, those instincts take over and he loses his mind.


Isn't there another player he could model his game after? Someone who hits it only 290-300 yards off the tee, and doesn't hit that many fairways. Some lucky untalented hack that somehow hits a lot of greens from the rough and makes some putts? I forget his name, but maybe Tiger should study his game.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:17 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 13 October 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 13 October 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 PM, said:

Basic


??

Ha! No, I'm just not sure if TW can adjust his mindset to the type of game his body will let him play now. His game was built on having the "extra gear" and destroying par 5s.

How can he adjust. It seems as soon as he leaves the range and hits the 1st tee with his drive, those instincts take over and he loses his mind.


Isn't there another player he could model his game after? Someone who hits it only 290-300 yards off the tee, and doesn't hit that many fairways. Some lucky untalented hack that somehow hits a lot of greens from the rough and makes some putts? I forget his name, but maybe Tiger should study his game.
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