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#1 russian7

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 08:08 AM

Im gaming Srixon 765 now and planning on buying the new AP2s then saw the new AP3s,

Which is better? Has anyone compared both? I like stronger lofts should i go AP3 or have titleist strengthen my AP2s? Or do combo set? I dont have any locally to demo, anyone tried both, pros cons??


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 08:46 AM

Tons of reviews on You Tube. Maybe that will help? Personally, it would go with the AP2s. Prefer the look of the AP2s. Hit them head to head? ;)
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Posted 26 August 2017 - 09:14 AM

Let me know when those 765s hit the BST! ha, ha

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 09:18 AM

AP2's for this character.  4-PW with yet to be determined 18/19 degree utility iron, just can't get use to a hybrid. :dntknw:

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:23 AM

If you ask titleist to strengthen the lofts on the ap2s, do all the other specs remain the same like bounce?


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:33 AM

View Post814willowbeach, on 26 August 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

If you ask titleist to strengthen the lofts on the ap2s, do all the other specs remain the same like bounce?

True i think bounce decreases i forgot about that. I personally like the stronger lofts with all my irons to fit my gaps so this is a deal breaker

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 12:41 PM

View Postrussian7, on 26 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

View Post814willowbeach, on 26 August 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

If you ask titleist to strengthen the lofts on the ap2s, do all the other specs remain the same like bounce?

True i think bounce decreases i forgot about that. I personally like the stronger lofts with all my irons to fit my gaps so this is a deal breaker

I really doubt you will notice the difference re the bounce on the club if you have the lofts strengthened. I think the AP3's have strong lofts anyway.

From what I've seen the AP3 is in their game improvement bracket and the AP2 is in their players club bracket. One is going to give you max distance and forgiveness with some feel, the other is more of an a all rounder, good distance, decent feel and good forgiveness.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:00 PM

Ap2 from me. They look great just like my 714's.

The back of the ap3 Looks really gaudy to me. Not really a fan
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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:41 PM

If you are not in a hurry to decide and buy.  I would wait a couple of months and see what comes out in Asia.
In Asia and specifically Korea the AP1 & AP2 716 are forged irons.   Originally in Korea AP1 came in Forged & Cast versions.
I am suspecting the 718 AP1& AP2 will be both be forged in Korea.  Given the design of AP3 it appears conducive to being a forged iron, so could possibly be forged in Korea.

The titleist korea website seems to be the only titleist website around the world that hasn't updated to show the new 718 series irons.
So maybe something different could be in the wings!

Edited by theshadow1971, 26 August 2017 - 03:42 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:37 PM

Just judging by the announced lofts, i think I'm leaning towards AP2. i do not want to own a 43* PW.
Owning an AP3 long iron would be interesting, so i will still be hitting both clubs when available


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:12 PM

For the first time in a while, I'm pumped to hit the new Titleist irons.

I think a lot of guys are going to be debating between the AP2 and AP3. The lofts on the AP3 are the only thing that I can't wrap my head around. A 43* PW just does not compute. That's what I currently call a 9 iron...

Edited by raynorfan1, 26 August 2017 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:30 PM

in my opinion the AP3 are a bit easier to hit and give more distance and a higher ball flight than the AP2.
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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:35 PM

Mixed set.  AP3 4,5  AP2 6-PW  :wave:

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:42 PM

View Postyebritas, on 26 August 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

in my opinion the AP3 are a bit easier to hit and give more distance and a higher ball flight than the AP2.

I bet they go same distance loft for loft
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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:52 PM

Ap2 are forged of course and the ap3 are not if that makes a difference. If you want more forgiveness and stronger lofts then Ap3 is the one. Why bend the ap2's and change the bounce that was designed for them?
To those suggesting a combo set I think the 3 degree loft difference makes this not very workable in practice.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 05:11 PM

Coming from your Srixons, I vote AP3. You'll see more of a performance difference. From 765 to ap2 I think you'll see similar performance in terms of distance, dispersion etc. only thing changing is brand and feel. But if you're looking to buy new clubs solely for the sake of something new go ap2 because they will be more similar to your z765 granted you are liking your srixons.
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Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:09 AM

Yeah if the AP3 look as clean as AP2s and like a players iron i dont see why not get the AP3 if they are longer and more forviving but look the same

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 01:02 AM

All this talk about stronger lofts is silly. The AP3 4-GW is basically the 3-PW of ten years ago. I don't like a 43° PW either, that's at least a 9 iron in anyone's book. But the 48°GW means you'll still need a 52° Gap wedge. Do we now call the 52° the Gap Gap wedge?
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Posted 27 August 2017 - 01:05 AM

View PostOldplayer, on 26 August 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Ap2 are forged of course and the ap3 are not if that makes a difference. If you want more forgiveness and stronger lofts then Ap3 is the one. Why bend the ap2's and change the bounce that was designed for them?
To those suggesting a combo set I think the 3 degree loft difference makes this not very workable in practice.

I guess you'd have to double up/overlap sets eh OP? e.g. AP3 4-6, AP2 6-PW.
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Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:13 AM

View Postkiwihacker, on 27 August 2017 - 01:05 AM, said:

View PostOldplayer, on 26 August 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Ap2 are forged of course and the ap3 are not if that makes a difference. If you want more forgiveness and stronger lofts then Ap3 is the one. Why bend the ap2's and change the bounce that was designed for them?
To those suggesting a combo set I think the 3 degree loft difference makes this not very workable in practice.

I guess you'd have to double up/overlap sets eh OP? e.g. AP3 4-6, AP2 6-PW.
Could do that I spose but would not be any good for those with OCD among us. Good to hear from you stranger.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 04:12 AM

Had a chance to test the 718 AP2 and must say that my 716 AP2 is more forgiving! Same shaft and flex. DG XP95.
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Posted 27 August 2017 - 04:41 AM

AP3 offset is higher than 565 series, keep it in mind

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:37 AM

Any truth that the 718 AP2 is more forgiving than the older-model AP1's?  Or is this just marketing BS ?

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 08:30 AM

Our Titleist staffer was fit for the new line on Saturday.

He went with...

PW, 9, 8  - CB
7, 6, - AP2
5, 4   - AP3

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:12 AM

View Postsheldonjhacker, on 27 August 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

Any truth that the 718 AP2 is more forgiving than the older-model AP1's?  Or is this just marketing BS ?

If you look at the MOI measurement from Maltby, the 716 AP2 MOI is 14.1 and the 714 AP1 MOI is 14.17, so they are essentially the same in terms of that measurement of forgiveness. Not sure what the 718 AP2 MOI will be.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 10:48 AM

View PostLlortamaisey, on 27 August 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

View Postsheldonjhacker, on 27 August 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

Any truth that the 718 AP2 is more forgiving than the older-model AP1's?  Or is this just marketing BS ?

If you look at the MOI measurement from Maltby, the 716 AP2 MOI is 14.1 and the 714 AP1 MOI is 14.17, so they are essentially the same in terms of that measurement of forgiveness. Not sure what the 718 AP2 MOI will be.
Text in the AP-2 section of the article online here: “The MOI is now pretty much at the level of the 714 AP1 irons.”  Using the Malty numbers above, sounds like the 716 AP-2 was already there.

The online articles and review videos seem to indicate the AP-3 is way more similar to the AP-1 for forgiveness, distance (lofts), offset and feel while more similar to AP-2 for head shape and cost ... AP-1 in AP-2 package?  I guess it's just a matter of what you prioritize highest for your game.

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:07 AM

View Post814willowbeach, on 26 August 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

If you ask titleist to strengthen the lofts on the ap2s, do all the other specs remain the same like bounce?

No, the bounce will change.  How much are you wanting to strengthen?

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:23 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 26 August 2017 - 04:12 PM, said:

For the first time in a while, I'm pumped to hit the new Titleist irons.

I think a lot of guys are going to be debating between the AP2 and AP3. The lofts on the AP3 are the only thing that I can't wrap my head around. A 43* PW just does not compute. That's what I currently call a 9 iron...

Yep.  Remember, the profit margin on Vokey wedges (and Callaway/TM/Ping/etc) is muy bueno.  You will continue to see more sets with 43* PW's for this reason alone.  $$ And I totally understand that lower CoG's correlate with lower lofts, but wedge sales are what will keep this trend alive and well.

My suggestion, buy 5-GW, and ignore the number on the club.  ;)

Edited by morgan1819, 27 August 2017 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:29 PM

Can anyone find the bounce specs/numbers for the AP3's?

Edited by ace036, 27 August 2017 - 03:29 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:56 PM

I cant find the heads anywhere to hit, has anyone demoed both??


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