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#61 andrue

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 01:25 PM

Meh. Speaking as a high-handicapper: The course is what the course is. Work around it or whinge about it. Your choice.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:54 AM

Trees penalize higher handicaps more than lower handicaps. High rough is more penal on the low handicaps. Trees prevent higher rough, and escaping low rough is easier for low handicaps.

I like trees, but any course over 50 years old probably has 60% more trees than it should.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 11:40 AM

In order to provide balance and a some tree love, here are two of my favorite trees on my home course. For those of us with a block miss, these two trees often save our teeball from a certain, watery grave.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 11:42 AM

 finleysg, on 28 August 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

In order to provide balance and a some tree love, here are two of my favorite trees on my home course. For those of us with a block miss, these two trees often save our teeball from a certain, watery grave.

And the trees left often save a hooker from going OB. So trees aren't all bad.
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:14 PM

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:33 PM

 Snowman9000, on 26 August 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

 Nard_S, on 21 August 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

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Tree removal is quite expensive because it is dangerous and there is high liabilty insurance to carry and  risks to property and the people who do the work. Cherry pickers and wood chippers are not cheap by any means. Wood only commands decent prices when oil is over  $100 a barrel, The cost of cutting a cord and delivering takes most of the profit out of it.

In my neck of the woods, removing one mature tree can run $1500 easily.

OK, but that is retail.  Any course with a significant number of trees to remove ought to learn how to do it with their staff, given some professional instruction of course.  I've owned property with trees, and have felled and cut up a few.  It can be learned.

Removing the tree is the easy part. The hard part, sometimes the impossible part, is convincing the membership that 1) trees need to be removed and 2) exactly which trees are going to get the axe.

Let's say your membership was made up of the exact same people who have responded to this thread. How many trees do you think you're going to get removed? How big of a committee fight are you willing to wage?

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:51 PM

a superindendent can probably remove 10% of trees and membership would not even notice. Also, I've known supers who have decided the fight was too much and just killed the trees first. Nobody has a problem with removal of dead trees.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:09 PM

I am a fan of golf courses with trees as long as like you guys said the limbs don't over hang the tee shot or the fairway landing area.  Also I think you should be able to find your ball in trees and have a shot back to the fairway.  I know that isn't always possible.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:09 PM

 finleysg, on 28 August 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

In order to provide balance and a some tree love, here are two of my favorite trees on my home course. For those of us with a block miss, these two trees often save our teeball from a certain, watery grave.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 01:49 PM

 ryanarneson, on 04 September 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

 Snowman9000, on 26 August 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

 Nard_S, on 21 August 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

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Tree removal is quite expensive because it is dangerous and there is high liabilty insurance to carry and  risks to property and the people who do the work. Cherry pickers and wood chippers are not cheap by any means. Wood only commands decent prices when oil is over  $100 a barrel, The cost of cutting a cord and delivering takes most of the profit out of it.

In my neck of the woods, removing one mature tree can run $1500 easily.

OK, but that is retail.  Any course with a significant number of trees to remove ought to learn how to do it with their staff, given some professional instruction of course.  I've owned property with trees, and have felled and cut up a few.  It can be learned.

Removing the tree is the easy part. The hard part, sometimes the impossible part, is convincing the membership that 1) trees need to be removed and 2) exactly which trees are going to get the axe.

Let's say your membership was made up of the exact same people who have responded to this thread. How many trees do you think you're going to get removed? How big of a committee fight are you willing to wage?

You're right, but I think you could cut first and apologize later. Or just make up some mumbo jumbo about dutch elm, emerald ash borer, wetwood, tubakia leaf spot and hope none of your members are arborists!

Or just say that you needed wood for the new wood-powered maintenance equipment :).


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 05:01 PM

 Shilgy, on 08 September 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

 finleysg, on 28 August 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

In order to provide balance and a some tree love, here are two of my favorite trees on my home course. For those of us with a block miss, these two trees often save our teeball from a certain, watery grave.
Dang that looks familiar-what club?

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 06:45 PM

Culling trees at a private club can be a real political nightmare for the super.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:18 PM

 ryanarneson, on 04 September 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

 Snowman9000, on 26 August 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

 Nard_S, on 21 August 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

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Tree removal is quite expensive because it is dangerous and there is high liabilty insurance to carry and  risks to property and the people who do the work. Cherry pickers and wood chippers are not cheap by any means. Wood only commands decent prices when oil is over  $100 a barrel, The cost of cutting a cord and delivering takes most of the profit out of it.

In my neck of the woods, removing one mature tree can run $1500 easily.

OK, but that is retail.  Any course with a significant number of trees to remove ought to learn how to do it with their staff, given some professional instruction of course.  I've owned property with trees, and have felled and cut up a few.  It can be learned.

Removing the tree is the easy part. The hard part, sometimes the impossible part, is convincing the membership that 1) trees need to be removed and 2) exactly which trees are going to get the axe.

Let's say your membership was made up of the exact same people who have responded to this thread. How many trees do you think you're going to get removed? How big of a committee fight are you willing to wage?


The other issue time and budget constraints. I've worked at 6 golf courses and every single one had the equipment necessary to cut down trees (chainsaws, wood choppers, tractor with forks to move trunks, etc) but you gotta remember that you still have duties to maintain the golf club as well. And unless the trees are creating a problem with the turf, it's not a priority for any super in my opinion. (Speaking as one). Any time I speak with a super that has removed a significant amount of trees it has always been at the direction of ownership or membership, very rarely on his/her own accord.


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:23 PM

 PhilTickelson, on 08 September 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

 ryanarneson, on 04 September 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

 Snowman9000, on 26 August 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

 Nard_S, on 21 August 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

[

Tree removal is quite expensive because it is dangerous and there is high liabilty insurance to carry and  risks to property and the people who do the work. Cherry pickers and wood chippers are not cheap by any means. Wood only commands decent prices when oil is over  $100 a barrel, The cost of cutting a cord and delivering takes most of the profit out of it.

In my neck of the woods, removing one mature tree can run $1500 easily.

OK, but that is retail.  Any course with a significant number of trees to remove ought to learn how to do it with their staff, given some professional instruction of course.  I've owned property with trees, and have felled and cut up a few.  It can be learned.

Removing the tree is the easy part. The hard part, sometimes the impossible part, is convincing the membership that 1) trees need to be removed and 2) exactly which trees are going to get the axe.

Let's say your membership was made up of the exact same people who have responded to this thread. How many trees do you think you're going to get removed? How big of a committee fight are you willing to wage?

You're right, but I think you could cut first and apologize later. Or just make up some mumbo jumbo about dutch elm, emerald ash borer, wetwood, tubakia leaf spot and hope none of your members are arborists!

Or just say that you needed wood for the new wood-powered maintenance equipment :).

Not to be that guy, but a buddy of mine got the axe from his club when he did that. He had his crew take some trees down to open up a view to a lake off the tee box, strictly aesthetic purposes I'd have done the same thing, when his contract came up he was shown the door because of some bs about destroying the "character of the club". Public club he could have gotten away with it, private clubs are a completely different animal.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:32 PM

 finleysg, on 08 September 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

 Shilgy, on 08 September 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

 finleysg, on 28 August 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

In order to provide balance and a some tree love, here are two of my favorite trees on my home course. For those of us with a block miss, these two trees often save our teeball from a certain, watery grave.
Dang that looks familiar-what club?

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Ah, played in the Minnesota Open there in '93.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:38 PM

Trees make great 2x4"s.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:40 AM

Good question.  

I like trees as long as they are big and you have the ability to punch back in play.  What I can't stand are little clusters of pine trees or thick forest that you are not able to play out of.  As long as you have the ability to get back to the fairway or advance it forward, bring on the trees.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:39 AM

My home course is already tight enough and loaded with water hazards, and it is also tighter than it needs to be because of trees that have encroached too far into the line of play.  Trees play a major part of the hole strategy on at least 6 of our holes.  There are a few more where you can (and have to) play to one side to play away from them to be able to play the hole with "normal" shots.  But the 6 I describe significantly affect either the type of shot you can hit off the tee, or they affect your approach shot into the green.

I don't mind the ones where you need to stay to one side to avoid them so much, but I do mind the ones where your approach shot into the green is affected by the tree almost no matter where your ball sits, or the ones where a 30 yard fairway is effectively a 5 yard fairway because the only hope of hitting the green is to be in that little 5 yard landing area.  There are 5 holes in particular at my home course where the trees make either the tee shot or the approach shot (or both) way more difficult than they need to be...to the point of being "unfair" (ie good shots still get penalized because the windows are so narrow).  

As an example, we have a par 3 where if the pin is cut on the left side and the tee box is over to the left, there is almost no way to hit the ball near the flag.  Yes, you could shape the shot (would be a fade for me), but there is so much trouble all around this hole that it is just more sensible to play to the right and leave yourself a long putt.  And we have a par 4 where trees block half of the line off the tee, but there is a lot of trouble on both sides of a very narrow fairway.  It is a brutal hole.  I guess neither of these is bad by their own, but when you consider that there are 5 such holes, it gets to be a bit much.

The club did cut the trees back a lot on one of our holes because it became near impossible to hit the green from any point on the fairway.  The trees are still a big factor on the approach shot, but it isn't impossible anymore.  

I wish they would cut the trees back on a few more holes.  The course is a really cool course, and it could be so much cooler if they did this.  Every time I have a guest play it, they comment that they loved the layout and the conditions, but it was so tight that it took a lot of clubs out of their hands.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:46 PM

When I was a young man, I used to hit over that tree....


But seriously, trees can have a design use when course is designed to frame holes and such. But as mentioned, if they aren't maintained, trimmed back, etc... They can alter the original intent of the designer. A local course on Long Island opened 20 years ago and had planted small trees to frame fairways, but made the rough especially long and thick. But as the trees filled in and grew they eased off on the rough. Having said that, the trees generally don't interfere with the intended line of play. They will affect shots that are offline.

My biggest pet peeve is the "artistic" solo tree in the middle of the fairway. Nicklaus does it once in awhile and I've played a few others. "Oh, I'll aim right at it, I NEVER hit it straight anyway..." usually ends up rocketing right into the canopy and ends up who knows where. If you are not a longish player that can get by it, you are punished by having to work the ball around the stupid thing, when your skill set doesn't include that level of proficiency. Get rid of those first.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:03 AM

My old home course outside of Memphis used to be insane it was so tight. Every single hole. They've cut down too many now though, probably a 1000 total over the last 2 decades. It's still one of my all-time favorites. Mickelson holds the course record, they still have the US Open Qualifier out there every other year and it's as tough a test as you want but it's now a test of length and lightning fast greens. There are only a handful of holes left (2, 4, 7, 11, 14, 16) that require you to sit back and really think about what you're hoping to accomplish and where your miss should be should you mishit the ball. It used to be 3+ hours of grinding hole after hole. I like an old school, 6300-6500 yard course with shot shaping required on 60%+ of the holes.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:12 PM

My favorite anecdote on the overgrown tree debate was visiting a course locally that is considered the masterwork of a well regarded (but not "Top") architect. I was playing with the head pro, and on a particular tee box, he pointed into the woods and asked me to walk over there and see what I found. About 15 yards in, DEEP in overgrowth and pines, I come across a water fountain.

WTF is this doing in the middle of the woods?

We get back to the clubhouse, and the pro pulls out the original blueprints. The tee complex had been designed to be dramatically more open, with a fountain off to the side. Overgrowth had literally squeezed the hole by 15-20 yards. The next year, they took out something like 10,000 trees and declare themselves to be almost halfway to what was intended.

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