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#91 Z1ggy16

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:46 AM

Hoping for something other than Chrome available in lefty, too. I know they make the black finish but I'd really prefer just a raw or unplated brushed silver look. The chrome is murder on my eyes in the sun, it's one of the things I dislike about my MD2's. The black is cool but would require stripping... not a huge deal but still extra work.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:36 AM

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

The new SM7 will be released to the PGA Tour and debuted at the Shriners, beginning of November.  I saw a loft/bounce chart from my sales rep, but no pictures.  There is an addition of a "D" grind that looked to fit in just below the K... so no in order of effective bounce for the 58 & 60º they are L, M, S, "D", K.  Three finishes like before, Tour Chrome, Jet Black (same raw finish like SM6), and a new grey finish that replaces the Steel Grey that looks VERY MUCH like a RAW finish but will not rust.  

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

Thanks, as always, for your great info.  Aside from bounce, do you have any other info on what the new "D" grind will be?  Thanks again!
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 10:37 AM

No "F" grind?

Edited by tyro, 09 October 2017 - 10:38 AM.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 10:44 AM

View Posttyro, on 09 October 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

No "F" grind?

I think the list of grinds he mentioned were only referring to 58* and 60*. Highest lofted F grind is 56*.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:39 PM

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

The new SM7 will be released to the PGA Tour and debuted at the Shriners, beginning of November.  I saw a loft/bounce chart from my sales rep, but no pictures.  There is an addition of a "D" grind that looked to fit in just below the K... so no in order of effective bounce for the 58 & 60º they are L, M, S, "D", K.  Three finishes like before, Tour Chrome, Jet Black (same raw finish like SM6), and a new grey finish that replaces the Steel Grey that looks VERY MUCH like a RAW finish but will not rust.

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

I wonder if this is the Brushed Nickel finish from the limited AD-siXty that was released on Wedge Works a couple of weeks ago. I was shocked at how much this looks like a raw wedge in person. This image looks a little darker than it actually appears, but is a pretty good representation.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:44 PM

View Postjll62, on 09 October 2017 - 12:39 PM, said:

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

The new SM7 will be released to the PGA Tour and debuted at the Shriners, beginning of November.  I saw a loft/bounce chart from my sales rep, but no pictures.  There is an addition of a "D" grind that looked to fit in just below the K... so no in order of effective bounce for the 58 & 60ļ they are L, M, S, "D", K.  Three finishes like before, Tour Chrome, Jet Black (same raw finish like SM6), and a new grey finish that replaces the Steel Grey that looks VERY MUCH like a RAW finish but will not rust.

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

I wonder if this is the Brushed Nickel finish from the limited AD-siXty that was released on Wedge Works a couple of weeks ago. I was shocked at how much this looks like a raw wedge in person. This image looks a little darker than it actually appears, but is a pretty good representation.

Very possible.  A brand new, from the Titleist Tour Van drawer, raw Vokey wedge has that same look.  You can literally see the grain in the finish.  It’s a cool look!
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:48 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 09 October 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:

Hoping for something other than Chrome available in lefty, too. I know they make the black finish but I'd really prefer just a raw or unplated brushed silver look. The chrome is murder on my eyes in the sun, it's one of the things I dislike about my MD2's. The black is cool but would require stripping... not a huge deal but still extra work.
and the "raw" black doesn't really rust that much once it's stripped (in comparison to a truly raw wedge).  I just hope that one of these days WedgeWorks will offer more lofts for lefties in raw. To not even be able to buy a raw gap wedge is a pretty big disappointment IMO.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:54 PM

View Postmctrees02, on 09 October 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 09 October 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:

Hoping for something other than Chrome available in lefty, too. I know they make the black finish but I'd really prefer just a raw or unplated brushed silver look. The chrome is murder on my eyes in the sun, it's one of the things I dislike about my MD2's. The black is cool but would require stripping... not a huge deal but still extra work.
and the "raw" black doesn't really rust that much once it's stripped (in comparison to a truly raw wedge).  I just hope that one of these days WedgeWorks will offer more lofts for lefties in raw. To not even be able to buy a raw gap wedge is a pretty big disappointment IMO.
Really? That's a disaapointment. My old TM RACs rusted a bunch which I Love because it keeps the face nice and rough. My MD2's are chrome plated and after 3 seasons now they feel "slippery" compared to the old RAC's. I just get on better with the grind on MD2 so I keep using them and try to use height to stop the ball instead of spin.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:21 PM

View PostRonSwanson, on 09 October 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

View Posttyro, on 09 October 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

No "F" grind?

I think the list of grinds he mentioned were only referring to 58* and 60*. Highest lofted F grind is 56*.

Yeah!  You're right.  Sorry, I missed that part.  I need my F grind!
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:30 AM

as mentioned ... 1 new grind D in the high lofts
other major difference in SM7 will be an improved CG adjustment over SM6, even higher in lobbers (yay ... better energy transmission for high on the face hits with open faces)

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:12 AM

View PostGoopher, on 11 October 2017 - 03:30 AM, said:

as mentioned ... 1 new grind D in the high lofts
other major difference in SM7 will be an improved CG adjustment over SM6, even higher in lobbers (yay ... better energy transmission for high on the face hits with open faces)

Does that mean we are getting some form of tungsten or a small weight of some sort? Similar to the JP wedges. Will it be fixed or moveable? Is it true that the SM7s are going to be “Dill Design” or will they stay “Vokey Design”?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:28 AM

View PostLlortamaisey, on 11 October 2017 - 05:12 AM, said:

View PostGoopher, on 11 October 2017 - 03:30 AM, said:

as mentioned ... 1 new grind D in the high lofts
other major difference in SM7 will be an improved CG adjustment over SM6, even higher in lobbers (yay ... better energy transmission for high on the face hits with open faces)

Does that mean we are getting some form of tungsten or a small weight of some sort? Similar to the JP wedges. Will it be fixed or moveable? Is it true that the SM7s are going to be “Dill Design” or will they stay “Vokey Design”?
No tungsten or movable weights AND still Vokey through and through.  The AD grind was only available through WedgeWorks for a limited time.  I've seen "hero" shots of the wedges and the logo/cosmetics look awesome, very clean looking.  Aaron Dill told me the D grind is similar to an M but with "all over bounce" which will fit between the current M and the K.  The D grind has been used on Tour for a while now but has always been hand ground.  Notables on tour are Tyrone van Aswegan, Sam Saunders, and Matt Jones.  I searched GolfWRX for their WITB pics but nothing was current.

Edited by sampga1976, 11 October 2017 - 05:30 AM.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:33 AM

View PostGoopher, on 11 October 2017 - 03:30 AM, said:

as mentioned ... 1 new grind D in the high lofts
other major difference in SM7 will be an improved CG adjustment over SM6, even higher in lobbers (yay ... better energy transmission for high on the face hits with open faces)
That's good to hear. I always end up hitting my lob wedge high on the face (esp out of rough) so this should help even more.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:54 PM

Any v grind?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 06:09 PM

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

The new SM7 will be released to the PGA Tour and debuted at the Shriners, beginning of November.  I saw a loft/bounce chart from my sales rep, but no pictures.  There is an addition of a "D" grind that looked to fit in just below the K... so no in order of effective bounce for the 58 & 60º they are L, M, S, "D", K.  Three finishes like before, Tour Chrome, Jet Black (same raw finish like SM6), and a new grey finish that replaces the Steel Grey that looks VERY MUCH like a RAW finish but will not rust.  

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.
did you happen to notice if the K grind was avail in low bounce or is the new D grind going to fit in between the L and K grinds? thanks for the info

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 06:26 PM

How much better can the performance of vokey wedge really get anyway?
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:09 PM

View Postbill1710, on 11 October 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

How much better can the performance of vokey wedge really get anyway?

Although it surprised me, I felt like there were real performance improvements between the sm5 and sm6.  Who knows, maybe there is room to go.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:28 AM

View Postcritts18, on 11 October 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

The new SM7 will be released to the PGA Tour and debuted at the Shriners, beginning of November.  I saw a loft/bounce chart from my sales rep, but no pictures.  There is an addition of a "D" grind that looked to fit in just below the K... so no in order of effective bounce for the 58 & 60º they are L, M, S, "D", K.  Three finishes like before, Tour Chrome, Jet Black (same raw finish like SM6), and a new grey finish that replaces the Steel Grey that looks VERY MUCH like a RAW finish but will not rust.  

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.
did you happen to notice if the K grind was avail in low bounce or is the new D grind going to fit in between the L and K grinds? thanks for the info
No Low Bounce K from what I saw... that is such a unique grind and is VERY unforgiving, a very condition dependent sole according to Voke himself and from my experiences.  There are a handful of Tour pros that utilize a version of the K, including Justin Thomas, but his is simply softened with some heel relief dropping effective bounce to 8º.   Titleist wants to stick to its guns when selling to the masses thus the reason for WedgeWorks.

The D grind sits in the bounce/grind matrix between the M and K which is on the higher effective bounce spectrum for 58º and above (low L-M-D-K high)
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:35 AM

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:02 AM

I saw my rep on Thursday and asked him about the new line.  He confirmed what someone else here said, there is no true raw wedge coming.  Just the jet black which they call a raw finish.  He said Wedgeworks will have the new line available as a raw wedge roughly 6 months after the release date as an up charge of course.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:48 AM

View Postjph4387, on 15 October 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

I saw my rep on Thursday and asked him about the new line.  He confirmed what someone else here said, there is no true raw wedge coming.  Just the jet black which they call a raw finish.  He said Wedgeworks will have the new line available as a raw wedge roughly 6 months after the release date as an up charge of course.

Why 6 months later? That's ridiculous!
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 10:58 AM

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

... You forgot the most logical reason to play a raw finish. Wedges take quite a pounding and depending on where you live, you can get some really bad chips and dings with visible rocks or those below the surface we don't see util we hit the shot. It is one thing to get a chip or ding on a raw wedge, it is quite another to get one on a chrome wedge and have the plating start to chip off and/or rust set in underneath the chrome and start to come off as well. Even since playing raw Scratch wedges, I have preferred a raw finish. I am not a big rust fan but love the look that just keeps getting darker the more you play it. My Engage and Nike Raw forged are just about worn out so I will be looking for new raw wedges in the spring.
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 04:49 PM

View Postchisag, on 15 October 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

... You forgot the most logical reason to play a raw finish. Wedges take quite a pounding and depending on where you live, you can get some really bad chips and dings with visible rocks or those below the surface we don't see util we hit the shot. It is one thing to get a chip or ding on a raw wedge, it is quite another to get one on a chrome wedge and have the plating start to chip off and/or rust set in underneath the chrome and start to come off as well. Even since playing raw Scratch wedges, I have preferred a raw finish. I am not a big rust fan but love the look that just keeps getting darker the more you play it. My Engage and Nike Raw forged are just about worn out so I will be looking for new raw wedges in the spring.

This is the reason that I want raw wedges.  I've gone through two 60* Tour Chrome SM6s this year where the plating has worn out and it's looks like I'm 2-3 layers deep on the sole now.  Sent it back once and they replaced it, but said it was only cosmetic from normal wear and that it was a one time replacement.  Now, do I buy raw SM6s, or wait 6 months after the SM7 release to get raw SM7s?
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

View PostMorety, on 15 October 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:


This is the reason that I want raw wedges.  I've gone through two 60* Tour Chrome SM6s this year where the plating has worn out and it's looks like I'm 2-3 layers deep on the sole now.  Sent it back once and they replaced it, but said it was only cosmetic from normal wear and that it was a one time replacement.  Now, do I buy raw SM6s, or wait 6 months after the SM7 release to get raw SM7s?

I got the Jet Black, cleaned up with alcohol, and applied the distilled white vinegar technique to remove the black finish.  Although not a purely raw wedge, it looks similar and wears well without showing the contrast of chrome/worn chrome .
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:00 AM

View PostMorety, on 15 October 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

View Postchisag, on 15 October 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

... You forgot the most logical reason to play a raw finish. Wedges take quite a pounding and depending on where you live, you can get some really bad chips and dings with visible rocks or those below the surface we don't see util we hit the shot. It is one thing to get a chip or ding on a raw wedge, it is quite another to get one on a chrome wedge and have the plating start to chip off and/or rust set in underneath the chrome and start to come off as well. Even since playing raw Scratch wedges, I have preferred a raw finish. I am not a big rust fan but love the look that just keeps getting darker the more you play it. My Engage and Nike Raw forged are just about worn out so I will be looking for new raw wedges in the spring.

This is the reason that I want raw wedges.  I've gone through two 60* Tour Chrome SM6s this year where the plating has worn out and it's looks like I'm 2-3 layers deep on the sole now.  Sent it back once and they replaced it, but said it was only cosmetic from normal wear and that it was a one time replacement.  Now, do I buy raw SM6s, or wait 6 months after the SM7 release to get raw SM7s?

When is the release date? Let’s say that the 7’s get released in January (I’m sure later) you’re looking at late June for the Raw! It’s probably like February or March release date, 6 months later and we are talking July or August for Raw! That’s absolutely ridiculous!

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:08 AM

View PostGC70, on 16 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

View PostMorety, on 15 October 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

View Postchisag, on 15 October 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

View Postsampga1976, on 09 October 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

IMHO, there's a lot of players and GolfWRX's that want a pure raw finish for an abundance of reasons.  #1 because the tour pros use them, #2 because some of use realized the glare benefit, #3 because we can't get them ;) #4 because some of us prefer the look.  In all seriousness, if Titleist offered a pure raw finish to the masses, they would end up with mass inventory at the end of the life cycle because Titleist sells 99% of its wedges to the average consumer, not us.  The consumer wants to use their clubs until they are forced to replace them and want their wear and appearance to never change from day 1.

... You forgot the most logical reason to play a raw finish. Wedges take quite a pounding and depending on where you live, you can get some really bad chips and dings with visible rocks or those below the surface we don't see util we hit the shot. It is one thing to get a chip or ding on a raw wedge, it is quite another to get one on a chrome wedge and have the plating start to chip off and/or rust set in underneath the chrome and start to come off as well. Even since playing raw Scratch wedges, I have preferred a raw finish. I am not a big rust fan but love the look that just keeps getting darker the more you play it. My Engage and Nike Raw forged are just about worn out so I will be looking for new raw wedges in the spring.

This is the reason that I want raw wedges.  I've gone through two 60* Tour Chrome SM6s this year where the plating has worn out and it's looks like I'm 2-3 layers deep on the sole now.  Sent it back once and they replaced it, but said it was only cosmetic from normal wear and that it was a one time replacement.  Now, do I buy raw SM6s, or wait 6 months after the SM7 release to get raw SM7s?

When is the release date? Let’s say that the 7’s get released in January (I’m sure later) you’re looking at late June for the Raw! It’s probably like February or March release date, 6 months later and we are talking July or August for Raw! That’s absolutely ridiculous!

The SM6 raw wedges were available on WedgeWorks starting May 11, 2016, so hopefully the SM7 are in the same general time frame (even though I think that's still too late)
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:20 AM

View Postmoonshine, on 17 August 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

I'm shocked at what some golfers will spend money on...$250 per wedge...gheesh?!

interesting...

if off the rack isn't the right fit - fully customized and fit for $250 is a great deal for a scoring club.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:27 AM

View Postswanry30, on 16 October 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

View Postmoonshine, on 17 August 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

I'm shocked at what some golfers will spend money on...$250 per wedge...gheesh?!

interesting...

if off the rack isn't the right fit - fully customized and fit for $250 is a great deal for a scoring club.

I agree. 1/3 of the price of a fully milled PXG wedge will we are at it.

So we will start to see pictures of these the week of Shriners? First week of November?
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 02:02 PM

Where will these be made?

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:18 PM

And there they are.

They look good, too.


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