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I tried the new 718 AP2's and AP3's


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Posted 23 October 2017 - 02:48 PM

718CB's are on the brain.  Is AP2 that much more forgiving?  Can't see it being a huge amount of difference or anything...

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 03:01 PM

View Postlbhitter, on 19 October 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:

View Postlbhitter, on 21 September 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

I took SamPGA1976's advice and hit the AP3 5-iron with Pro V1s tonight.  Also reshafted it with Steelfiber i95, one of my favorite Shafts.  

These two things really helped to make the AP3 shine.  Still a little clicky at impact, but that doesn't bother me.   The harshness I experienced earlier hitting range balls is gone.  

I really like the performance of this iron and I'm going to order a whole set.  

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 03:38 PM

View PostJudge440, on 23 October 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

718CB's are on the brain.  Is AP2 that much more forgiving?  Can't see it being a huge amount of difference or anything...

I think the AP2's are more forgiving, but the real deciding factor between AP2 and CB should be turf interaction and spin.

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 07:41 PM

I was iffy about them both - the AP2 felt like my current AP2 which is great but the AP3 were Kinda hard feeling -AP3 with either PXI or the new ZL shaft Would be so easy to launch though
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Posted 24 October 2017 - 01:20 PM

Just back from my fitting at Titleist UK and I’m surprised but not that much....

Went there thinking I’d find a good spec in AP3 but actually ended up being fit back into AP2 after a 2 year hiatus

My fitter explained that my 716CB’s with AMT shaft were giving me too much spin and launch so the first option was AP3.....immediately they felt more clicks but not bad clicky....we tried a few shafts and managed to get launch and spin better with a S300 Dynamic Gold they were flying 20 yards further than my CB’s but I was concerned about a short iron gap, the left/right dispersion wasn’t great and really didn’t like the look of the 4 iron in the AP3 (too much offset for my eyes)

Anyway...my fitter then put the AP2 head on the S300 DG Shaft and all of a sudden the dispersion tightened right up and although they were 10 yards shorter than the AP3 they were still 10 longer than my CB’s and feel so much better than the AP3

I’m not chasing distance gains but looks like in the right shaft these will still give me the extra forgiveness I’m looking for and the added bonus of one less club distance wise

As it ends up I’m back in the exact same spec as my 714AP2 (S300 DG) and I played the best golf of my life with those clubs.....worst case is the distance gains don’t materialise but I’ll definitely have something easier to hit in the long irons!!

Now the real question is whether to try a P790 against these or stick with what I know works!!!


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 01:43 PM

i had a similar experience.  the distance dispersion with the ap3 was considerable.  the ap2 was about 8 yards shorter but distance dispersion was spot on.   i also went dg s300

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 04:05 PM

View Postnickosbad, on 24 October 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

Just back from my fitting at Titleist UK and Im surprised but not that much....

Went there thinking Id find a good spec in AP3 but actually ended up being fit back into AP2 after a 2 year hiatus

My fitter explained that my 716CBs with AMT shaft were giving me too much spin and launch so the first option was AP3.....immediately they felt more clicks but not bad clicky....we tried a few shafts and managed to get launch and spin better with a S300 Dynamic Gold they were flying 20 yards further than my CBs but I was concerned about a short iron gap, the left/right dispersion wasnt great and really didnt like the look of the 4 iron in the AP3 (too much offset for my eyes)

Anyway...my fitter then put the AP2 head on the S300 DG Shaft and all of a sudden the dispersion tightened right up and although they were 10 yards shorter than the AP3 they were still 10 longer than my CBs and feel so much better than the AP3

Im not chasing distance gains but looks like in the right shaft these will still give me the extra forgiveness Im looking for and the added bonus of one less club distance wise

As it ends up Im back in the exact same spec as my 714AP2 (S300 DG) and I played the best golf of my life with those clubs.....worst case is the distance gains dont materialise but Ill definitely have something easier to hit in the long irons!!

Now the real question is whether to try a P790 against these or stick with what I know works!!!

After reading your review I assume your last question means you havent seen the P790:s behind the ball? :-)

The P790 will look like a spaceship behind the ball with your preferences. A thick top line and very much alike AP1 except for little less offset.
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Posted 24 October 2017 - 04:20 PM

View Postnickosbad, on 24 October 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

Just back from my fitting at Titleist UK and I’m surprised but not that much....

Went there thinking I’d find a good spec in AP3 but actually ended up being fit back into AP2 after a 2 year hiatus

My fitter explained that my 716CB’s with AMT shaft were giving me too much spin and launch so the first option was AP3.....immediately they felt more clicks but not bad clicky....we tried a few shafts and managed to get launch and spin better with a S300 Dynamic Gold they were flying 20 yards further than my CB’s but I was concerned about a short iron gap, the left/right dispersion wasn’t great and really didn’t like the look of the 4 iron in the AP3 (too much offset for my eyes)

Anyway...my fitter then put the AP2 head on the S300 DG Shaft and all of a sudden the dispersion tightened right up and although they were 10 yards shorter than the AP3 they were still 10 longer than my CB’s and feel so much better than the AP3

I’m not chasing distance gains but looks like in the right shaft these will still give me the extra forgiveness I’m looking for and the added bonus of one less club distance wise

As it ends up I’m back in the exact same spec as my 714AP2 (S300 DG) and I played the best golf of my life with those clubs.....worst case is the distance gains don’t materialise but I’ll definitely have something easier to hit in the long irons!!

Now the real question is whether to try a P790 against these or stick with what I know works!!!

If you are even thinking about it I encourage you to test and judge appearance etc. for yourself... after all it's your money and what ends up pleasing your eye and working best for you is what you should spend it on.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 04:59 AM

Anyone order the AP3 with the project x lz shaft, what was your delivery time?
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Posted 27 October 2017 - 11:12 AM

View PostMrShield, on 24 October 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

View Postnickosbad, on 24 October 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

Just back from my fitting at Titleist UK and I'm surprised but not that much....

Went there thinking I'd find a good spec in AP3 but actually ended up being fit back into AP2 after a 2 year hiatus

My fitter explained that my 716CB's with AMT shaft were giving me too much spin and launch so the first option was AP3.....immediately they felt more clicks but not bad clicky....we tried a few shafts and managed to get launch and spin better with a S300 Dynamic Gold they were flying 20 yards further than my CB's but I was concerned about a short iron gap, the left/right dispersion wasn't great and really didn't like the look of the 4 iron in the AP3 (too much offset for my eyes)

Anyway...my fitter then put the AP2 head on the S300 DG Shaft and all of a sudden the dispersion tightened right up and although they were 10 yards shorter than the AP3 they were still 10 longer than my CB's and feel so much better than the AP3

I'm not chasing distance gains but looks like in the right shaft these will still give me the extra forgiveness I'm looking for and the added bonus of one less club distance wise

As it ends up I'm back in the exact same spec as my 714AP2 (S300 DG) and I played the best golf of my life with those clubs.....worst case is the distance gains don't materialise but I'll definitely have something easier to hit in the long irons!!

Now the real question is whether to try a P790 against these or stick with what I know works!!!

After reading your review I assume your last question means you haven't seen the P790:s behind the ball? :-)

The P790 will look like a spaceship behind the ball with your preferences. A thick top line and very much alike AP1 except for little less offset.

I've looked at the P790 quite a bit and yes whilst they certainly have a thick top line there's a strange combination of reasonably short blade length and i'd describe them as "powerful" looking

Certainly look better in the long irons than the AP3 but going to need to put them up against the AP2 again and see if I prefer Feel over forgiveness and compare the dispersion


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Posted 29 October 2017 - 07:08 AM

View Postcdeez, on 23 September 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

loving this thread. going to hit the ap3's and 818's this afternoon i hope if the weather holds. should probably just go with the ap3's, but have been toying with the idea of ap3/ap2 split set, but not sure which irons to bend... the titleist rep had a neat chart that i forgot to take a picture of that had a few different options on where to break the set apart and which clubs to bend and how much but i haven't seen it posted anywhere ....

Does anybody know where to find this chart?

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 07:12 AM

View PostPhilipp, on 29 October 2017 - 07:08 AM, said:

View Postcdeez, on 23 September 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

loving this thread. going to hit the ap3's and 818's this afternoon i hope if the weather holds. should probably just go with the ap3's, but have been toying with the idea of ap3/ap2 split set, but not sure which irons to bend... the titleist rep had a neat chart that i forgot to take a picture of that had a few different options on where to break the set apart and which clubs to bend and how much but i haven't seen it posted anywhere ....

Does anybody know where to find this chart?


I've never seen the chart he's describing... not even during my fitting.
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Posted 29 October 2017 - 11:44 AM

View PostJudge440, on 23 October 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

718CB's are on the brain.  Is AP2 that much more forgiving?  Can't see it being a huge amount of difference or anything...

I think it's something you have to try first.  I haven't hit any of the 718 series, but I found the 716 CB to be a much better fit for me than the 716 AP2.  They look a bit tighter to me, but nothing too wild.  There is a lot of tech under the hood with the CB series.
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Posted 29 October 2017 - 03:58 PM

booked in for another session on all 718's- lets see if its any better this time

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:03 AM

Really Really Really Tempted by the CB with PX ZL 6.0....... Really tempted!

Loved the 716 CB and played them most of 2016.  Didn't find them less forgiving than AP2

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:33 AM

Just ordered my 718's....

Current set is 710 ap2's w/ KBS tours I have had for about 6 years. I play at a 7 index with Driver SS of ~110, carry my current 7i 165ish.

I was fit twice at Titleist events, first time off grass with pro v's, second off mats with range balls. Fitters made very different recommendations which threw me off. First fitter told me my trajectory was a tad low and recommended KBS Tour V shafts. Second time I was told I launch high and was recommended Project X LZ or KBS C- Tapers.

I decided to combo a T-MB/AP3 set. I have seen a lot of t-mb/ap2 combo sets but not many mentions of T-mb/ap3. I feel both the ap2 and ap3 are very similar, with the ap3 a bit more forgiving. Did not notice much difference in feel to be honest.

I am trusting the first fitter who seemed more patient and competent, plus the trackman numbers were with pro v's and off grass, vs range balls on a mat.

3,4 irons - T-MB w/ AMT white shafts, standard loft  
5-pw AP3 w/ KBS Tour V, 1 degree weak.

The ap3 bent 1 degree weak matches the T-MB lofts, at least through the 6 iron. Also I currently play 50,54,58 wedges and don't want to replace those yet.  

Anyone else combo the TMB and AP3's?

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 10:44 AM

View Posttexasdave, on 27 October 2017 - 04:59 AM, said:

Anyone order the AP3 with the project x lz shaft, what was your delivery time?

I did, 10 days.
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Posted 31 October 2017 - 10:56 AM

So, let the fun begin! Silly season starts today, which clubs will make it onto my bag in 2018? :-)

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In the end I still don't think any of these sets will make it into my bag next year. I played excellent golf with my full set of 716 T-MB this year and I want to order a set this year as well,  but it buggers me a lot I can't order it with the shaft I know I want to play - Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue. If anyone in Europe have a solution for this, please get in contact with me, I'm interested :-)

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:16 AM

View PostMrShield, on 31 October 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

So, let the fun begin! Silly season starts today, which clubs will make it onto my bad in 2018? :-)

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And at the end I still don't think any of these sets will make it into my bag next year. I played excellent golf with my full set of 716 T-MB this year and I want to order a set this year as well,  but it buggers me a lot I can't order it with the shaft I know I want to play - Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue. If anyone in Europe have a solution for this, please get in contact with me, I'm interested :-)

I'll be interested to hear what you have to say about those S400 AMT shafts.  I kind of wish I had ordered those now.  The long irons in the S300 AMT feel a little lighter than I expected.  Performance has been solid though.  I know the S400 are not that much heavier but it might be more discernible in the long irons.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 09:41 PM

Grabbed a AP3 3 iron with a kbs tour c-taper 120 s.  Play kbs tour 130 x soft stepped in my 714 ap2’s and I have to say after a range session and one round with the ap3 3 iron, I should have never let me UDI 3 iron go. Ap3 doesn’t feel good and the sound is terrible. Anyone else experience this? Is it the mid 50 degree temps? Wrong shaft? I don’t get it. Hit a hand full of shots that felt ok and flew nicely. But the rest were misses off the toe and felt very harsh. Have played a 716 ap1 4 iron for the last two seasons and other than looking a little clunky, I have loved the way it has played and have never had a negative feeling about the sound or feel. It inspires confidence.

Maybe I’m just not a 3 iron guy, though I loved my UDI, I’m trying to stay true to my titleist fan boyism.

P790 3 iron will be here Friday. I’ll try the c taper from the ap3 in it and compare the two apples to Apples but I’m a bit discouraged. Good thing the season is basically over where I live. Hitting inside all winter!

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 10:01 PM

View PostPhilipp, on 29 October 2017 - 07:08 AM, said:

View Postcdeez, on 23 September 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

loving this thread. going to hit the ap3's and 818's this afternoon i hope if the weather holds. should probably just go with the ap3's, but have been toying with the idea of ap3/ap2 split set, but not sure which irons to bend... the titleist rep had a neat chart that i forgot to take a picture of that had a few different options on where to break the set apart and which clubs to bend and how much but i haven't seen it posted anywhere ....

Does anybody know where to find this chart?
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Posted 31 October 2017 - 10:07 PM

That’s the one! Great find
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#563 cdeez

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 07:36 PM

My
718 AP3 3 iron @ 39” with a KBS Tour C-Taper 120 S is swingweighting out to D4...... hmmm
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#564 MrShield

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:43 AM

View Postcdeez, on 01 November 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

My
718 AP3 3 iron @ 39” with a KBS Tour C-Taper 120 S is swingweighting out to D4...... hmmm

Did you specify D2 when ordering the club?

I specified D2 for both amy AP2 and AP3 set and Titleist called me and said they couldn't get the AP3 club down to D2 with my choice of grip and shaft (PX LZ 6.0 + MCC). Minimum they could get down to was D3. But a change to the 718 original white Tour Velvet instead of MCC would make it possible to go to D2.

From my perspective Titleist was extremely accurate when they built my set. My custom length, swingweight and lie was absolutely perfect.
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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

I am really liking the long irons in the 718 AP2. I usually tremble with 4 iron in my hand but I have hit it really well even when toed a bit.

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:15 AM

I guess some folks are really dialed in to the "sound"/"feel" of the AP3 versus AP2.  For me, I can't get over how easy my 4i and 5i AP3 are to launch.  Man they stay in the air forever with excellent trajectory.  Miisses are carrying a lot farther than my 716 AP2 4 and 5 iron did.  I really like the more compact AP2 from 6i-gap wedge, but boy, I feel like I'm cheating with the AP3's.
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#567 blehnhard

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:27 AM

Still have a "virgin" set of 5-PW AP3 sitting in my office - had them since end of Sept.  Still undergoing treatment for pretty severe sciatica on both sides.  Pulling out all the stops for treatment - Chiropractic, PT, had some acupuncture today, and seeing a pain management specialist tomorrow to possibly get a spinal steroid injection the following week.

Supposed to go on 4 day golf trip to Pinehurst on the 16th of this month.  Last round of golf was August 6th.

Wish me luck - hope I will be okay to make the trip and maybe get in a few holes prior to then.

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#568 cdeez

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 01:37 PM

View PostMrShield, on 02 November 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

View Postcdeez, on 01 November 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

My
718 AP3 3 iron @ 39” with a KBS Tour C-Taper 120 S is swingweighting out to D4...... hmmm

Did you specify D2 when ordering the club?

I specified D2 for both amy AP2 and AP3 set and Titleist called me and said they couldn't get the AP3 club down to D2 with my choice of grip and shaft (PX LZ 6.0 + MCC). Minimum they could get down to was D3. But a change to the 718 original white Tour Velvet instead of MCC would make it possible to go to D2.

From my perspective Titleist was extremely accurate when they built my set. My custom length, swingweight and lie was absolutely perfect.

Changed the grip from MCC to Tour velvet and got it down to D2.5. Thanks!
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#569 PerseveringGolf

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:00 PM

wow that will make a huge difference :rollseyessmiley:

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 04:55 PM

Never heard of Spargo Golf, pretty good review of the AP3 though. Even refer to GolfWRX as friends

https://www.spargogo...ting-and-review


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