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I tried the new 718 AP2's and AP3's


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 10:38 PM

 Hawkeye77, on 17 August 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

Crap, only played my 716 AP2s for a year now and picked up some Legacy Black Stensons late last summer that knocked my 716s out of the bag, then they were back, right now out again (the feel of these Callaways is great) - but have played almost all the AP2 releases and doubt I will have the willpower to resist.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 09:22 AM

 mxskier, on 17 August 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

This has been a really informative thread. I've been eyeing the AP2 for months now (had been playing CF16 before that but was hitting too far and too low spin to hold greens well), and I love the look of the AP2 top line and badging. After seeing the pics of the new AP2 (didn't love the badging on the back, too much bling for my taste), and hearing the top line is even thinner, it made it that much easier to pull the trigger on my AP2 set that arrives tomorrow.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:16 AM

I should clarify: 716 AP2.
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Posted 18 August 2017 - 05:46 PM

 tyro, on 17 August 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

I know there is not a huge amount of difference, but do the 718 AP2's look more like the 714 or 716 at address?
They look more like 714ap2 in my views of it yesterday
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Posted 18 August 2017 - 06:18 PM

 Soxfan21, on 16 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

In comparison with the AP2, how soft was the AP3?  I know that they are cast and won't be as soft as the AP2, but I just want to know if it is a very noticeable difference, or if the difference in feel is minor.

They aren't as soft as the ap2 but not nearly as clicky as I expected them to be. Sound is good too.  I personally think they felt a lot less clickier than the T-MB's. Something about the T-MB's I just don't like

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 03:32 AM

 KirkNo-yes, on 18 August 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

 Soxfan21, on 16 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

In comparison with the AP2, how soft was the AP3?  I know that they are cast and won't be as soft as the AP2, but I just want to know if it is a very noticeable difference, or if the difference in feel is minor.

They aren't as soft as the ap2 but not nearly as clicky as I expected them to be. Sound is good too.  I personally think they felt a lot less clickier than the T-MB's. Something about the T-MB's I just don't like

Just peeping your witb and if memory serves me correctly... What made ya go from X7's to Flighted 6.0s. Thats a pretty dramatic change.
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:23 PM

 tmax77, on 18 August 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

 tyro, on 17 August 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

I know there is not a huge amount of difference, but do the 718 AP2's look more like the 714 or 716 at address?
They look more like 714ap2 in my views of it yesterday
Nice!  That's what I wanted to hear.  Thanks for the info.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:19 PM

 tyro, on 19 August 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

 tmax77, on 18 August 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

 tyro, on 17 August 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

I know there is not a huge amount of difference, but do the 718 AP2's look more like the 714 or 716 at address?
They look more like 714ap2 in my views of it yesterday
Nice!  That's what I wanted to hear.  Thanks for the info.

Sure thing...I'm extremely interested to try them they look fantastic
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:38 AM

 BearQ, on 19 August 2017 - 03:32 AM, said:

 KirkNo-yes, on 18 August 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

 Soxfan21, on 16 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

In comparison with the AP2, how soft was the AP3?  I know that they are cast and won't be as soft as the AP2, but I just want to know if it is a very noticeable difference, or if the difference in feel is minor.

They aren't as soft as the ap2 but not nearly as clicky as I expected them to be. Sound is good too.  I personally think they felt a lot less clickier than the T-MB's. Something about the T-MB's I just don't like

Just peeping your witb and if memory serves me correctly... What made ya go from X7's to Flighted 6.0s. Thats a pretty dramatic change.

well first the X7's weren't straight in, they were double soft stepped.  I played the 6.0 flighted shafts for ever in a set of 710 AP2's and always had success with those shafts.  I started bouncing around with different shafts in an attempt to replicate the feel and flight of the 6.0 flighted.  they don't make this shaft anymore.  The X7's double soft stepped are the only shaft I tried that came close to this shaft.  Mind you the 6.0 flighteds have all been tipped a half inch each to stiffen them up a bit.  The reason I switched was because the X7's are 132gram shafts and are stiff so by the time I got done with 18 holes I was smoked. I'm 43 and not getting any younger.  I have always gravitated to heavier shafts and played an 80gram shaft in my driver until recently but I am trying to go a little lighter to salvage as much distance as I can

I pulled the shafts out of the old 710's and have put them in 2 separate irons now.

Edited by KirkNo-yes, 20 August 2017 - 08:39 AM.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 01:54 PM

Is there any info yet on the changes made to the 718 AP2 as compared to the 716?


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:11 PM

 KirkNo-yes, on 20 August 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

 BearQ, on 19 August 2017 - 03:32 AM, said:

 KirkNo-yes, on 18 August 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

 Soxfan21, on 16 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

In comparison with the AP2, how soft was the AP3?  I know that they are cast and won't be as soft as the AP2, but I just want to know if it is a very noticeable difference, or if the difference in feel is minor.

They aren't as soft as the ap2 but not nearly as clicky as I expected them to be. Sound is good too.  I personally think they felt a lot less clickier than the T-MB's. Something about the T-MB's I just don't like

Just peeping your witb and if memory serves me correctly... What made ya go from X7's to Flighted 6.0s. Thats a pretty dramatic change.

well first the X7's weren't straight in, they were double soft stepped.  I played the 6.0 flighted shafts for ever in a set of 710 AP2's and always had success with those shafts.  I started bouncing around with different shafts in an attempt to replicate the feel and flight of the 6.0 flighted.  they don't make this shaft anymore.  The X7's double soft stepped are the only shaft I tried that came close to this shaft.  Mind you the 6.0 flighteds have all been tipped a half inch each to stiffen them up a bit.  The reason I switched was because the X7's are 132gram shafts and are stiff so by the time I got done with 18 holes I was smoked. I'm 43 and not getting any younger.  I have always gravitated to heavier shafts and played an 80gram shaft in my driver until recently but I am trying to go a little lighter to salvage as much distance as I can

I pulled the shafts out of the old 710's and have put them in 2 separate irons now.

I hear ya, its not a jab, was just curious. I'm 27, off hip labral repair surgery / 2 herniated discs / various wear & tear issues...so I'm already feeling very dinosaur. I can relate to the heavy & rebar shafts wearing one out after practice + 18 holes. I went smoother shafts throughout the bag this year to also combat same issues and still get same flight/spin I'm looking for.

Swinging rebar just to keep flight/spin down is useless if you are worn out at any point, especially later in your round when it really counts. Too bad I learned this after a million full tilt swings playing telephone poles.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:17 PM

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:55 PM

Thanks for the review, Kirk.... the sound of a thinner top line and more compact head in the AP2 will be hard to resist.  Sounds like they nailed the design this time around!  If they are better than the 716, they must be amazing.
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 03:54 AM

Chart of the 718 lineup specs
So disapointed that the AP3 have a 43° PW !
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:14 AM

43* PW ffs, c'mon Titleist, you are better than that!


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:26 AM

 BearQ, on 20 August 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

 KirkNo-yes, on 20 August 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

 BearQ, on 19 August 2017 - 03:32 AM, said:

 KirkNo-yes, on 18 August 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

 Soxfan21, on 16 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

In comparison with the AP2, how soft was the AP3?  I know that they are cast and won't be as soft as the AP2, but I just want to know if it is a very noticeable difference, or if the difference in feel is minor.

They aren't as soft as the ap2 but not nearly as clicky as I expected them to be. Sound is good too.  I personally think they felt a lot less clickier than the T-MB's. Something about the T-MB's I just don't like

Just peeping your witb and if memory serves me correctly... What made ya go from X7's to Flighted 6.0s. Thats a pretty dramatic change.

well first the X7's weren't straight in, they were double soft stepped.  I played the 6.0 flighted shafts for ever in a set of 710 AP2's and always had success with those shafts.  I started bouncing around with different shafts in an attempt to replicate the feel and flight of the 6.0 flighted.  they don't make this shaft anymore.  The X7's double soft stepped are the only shaft I tried that came close to this shaft.  Mind you the 6.0 flighteds have all been tipped a half inch each to stiffen them up a bit.  The reason I switched was because the X7's are 132gram shafts and are stiff so by the time I got done with 18 holes I was smoked. I'm 43 and not getting any younger.  I have always gravitated to heavier shafts and played an 80gram shaft in my driver until recently but I am trying to go a little lighter to salvage as much distance as I can

I pulled the shafts out of the old 710's and have put them in 2 separate irons now.

I hear ya, its not a jab, was just curious. I'm 27, off hip labral repair surgery / 2 herniated discs / various wear & tear issues...so I'm already feeling very dinosaur. I can relate to the heavy & rebar shafts wearing one out after practice + 18 holes. I went smoother shafts throughout the bag this year to also combat same issues and still get same flight/spin I'm looking for.

Swinging rebar just to keep flight/spin down is useless if you are worn out at any point, especially later in your round when it really counts. Too bad I learned this after a million full tilt swings playing telephone poles.

Oh, don't worry, didn't think you were taking a jab at me.  I didn't have any problems keeping them in for my pw-7 iron but 6-3 iron were stupid.  By the end of a range session or round I was losing 3-5 yards of flight due to fatigue.  I am about to get a set of the 718s and honestly don't know what to do right now. I don't want to pull these shafts again and the current project x's just DON"T feel the same. I may have to call project x folks at TT and see what they recommend. I heard somewhere that the way they created the old flighted shafts were for a set of 6.0's  they took 6.5's and cut from the butt on pW- 8iron 7and 6 are straight in 6.0s and 5-3 iron shafts are 5.5 shafts that have been tipped to created desired length. I can't remember where I saw this so it could be a figment of my imagination. hahahah.

I am thinking of either hard stepping s400's or soft stepping X100's. Not sure. the reason I loved the X7's so much is because the butt is stiff like project x shafts. not so much with x100's
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:45 AM

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

43* PW ffs, c'mon Titleist, you are better than that!

they're not doing it for distance.  if  they made them 46 degrees then they would launch up your nose.

the ap1 is 4 degrees stronger than the ap2 7 iron and yet only launches 1 degree higher!!!!

Edited by dave_3, 21 August 2017 - 06:46 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:48 AM

 dave_3, on 21 August 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

43* PW ffs, c'mon Titleist, you are better than that!

they're not doing it for distance.  if  they made them 46 degrees then they would launch up your nose.

the ap1 is 4 degrees stronger than the ap2 7 iron and yet only launches 1 degree higher!!!!

yep I understand the physics and math behind it, but for anyone thinking of moving to ap3 it it seriously mucks up your wedge configuration.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:50 AM

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

43* PW ffs, c'mon Titleist, you are better than that!
They want to sell you that 48* wedge?! Maybe that is why?! lol
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:56 AM

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

 dave_3, on 21 August 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

43* PW ffs, c'mon Titleist, you are better than that!

they're not doing it for distance.  if  they made them 46 degrees then they would launch up your nose.

the ap1 is 4 degrees stronger than the ap2 7 iron and yet only launches 1 degree higher!!!!

yep I understand the physics and math behind it, but for anyone thinking of moving to ap3 it it seriously mucks up your wedge configuration.

i thought this too.  i go from 50 degree gap wedge to 54 callaway macdaddy.  when i tested the ap1 "w" (48 degree) it went the same as my usual gap wedge!!

so it didn't have the impact i was worrying about

Edited by dave_3, 21 August 2017 - 06:58 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:27 AM

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

 dave_3, on 21 August 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

 PerseveringGolf, on 21 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

43* PW ffs, c'mon Titleist, you are better than that!

they're not doing it for distance.  if  they made them 46 degrees then they would launch up your nose.

the ap1 is 4 degrees stronger than the ap2 7 iron and yet only launches 1 degree higher!!!!

yep I understand the physics and math behind it, but for anyone thinking of moving to ap3 it it seriously mucks up your wedge configuration.

You should look into the AP2. It has slightly weaker lofts. If you still want the AP3, get 5 through gap wedge, it's basically 4 through pitching wedge in the AP2, which is the same amount of clubs. You also have the option of tweaking the lofts, but keep in mind the bounce and offset.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:54 AM

Thanks for the info, Kirk. Out of curiosity, where were you able to hit the 718s? I also live in The Woodlands, would like to try them too if possible.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:16 AM

I will be testing out the AP3 in a week or so and seriously considering them as an update to my 714 AP2 (KBS C Taper Lite - stiff).  Planning this to be my last set of clubs (turning 75 in Nov.). I will be looking to moving to a lighter higher launch - higher spin shaft - possible TT XP95, Kuro Kage 85 TiNi, or Steel Fiber 80 cw.  I am a fairly low launch low spin player with a driver ss of + or - 95mph.  

Was fitted (Trackman) for the 917 D2 8 weeks ago and went with the Diamana Red 50g stiff which has given me another 5 to 10 yds carry over my old 915 D3 with Rogue Silver (110 MSI) - had trouble getting over 1500 spin numbers with that combo.  Also got the 917 16.5 3 wood with Diamana Red 60 - stiff.

My current set make up is 5 - PW (714 AP2), 52.08 Vokey SM5 and 58.08 Vokey TVD.  Given the change in lofts and shafts, I would expect approx. 10 yd increase in distance per iron with the AP3 - currently hit 7 iron 145 to 150 carry.  Projected set make up would be 5 - PW AP3 and Vokey wedges at 48, 52 (bent to 53) and 58. My current irons are + 1/4" and 2 deg flat. May go +1/2 on the new set (still 2 deg flat)

Will take my 18 deg 915 fairway out of the bag, Still plan to carry 816 H2 19 (set to 18) and 816 H2 23 set to 22.

My hdcp varies between +2 and 2 depending upon the season (currently at +1).  

Any other shaft recommendations to consider?

Thanks - Bruce

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:29 AM

I would also look at Nippon 950s and KBS Tour 90s. 950s are high launch/spin shafts that seem to dampen vibrations. My fav. shaft. ;)
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:49 AM

Is it me or does the new 718 Ap2 look like the 714?


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:33 AM

 blehnhard, on 21 August 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

I will be testing out the AP3 in a week or so and seriously considering them as an update to my 714 AP2 (KBS C Taper Lite - stiff).  Planning this to be my last set of clubs (turning 75 in Nov.). I will be looking to moving to a lighter higher launch - higher spin shaft - possible TT XP95, Kuro Kage 85 TiNi, or Steel Fiber 80 cw.  I am a fairly low launch low spin player with a driver ss of + or - 95mph.  

Was fitted (Trackman) for the 917 D2 8 weeks ago and went with the Diamana Red 50g stiff which has given me another 5 to 10 yds carry over my old 915 D3 with Rogue Silver (110 MSI) - had trouble getting over 1500 spin numbers with that combo.  Also got the 917 16.5 3 wood with Diamana Red 60 - stiff.

My current set make up is 5 - PW (714 AP2), 52.08 Vokey SM5 and 58.08 Vokey TVD.  Given the change in lofts and shafts, I would expect approx. 10 yd increase in distance per iron with the AP3 - currently hit 7 iron 145 to 150 carry.  Projected set make up would be 5 - PW AP3 and Vokey wedges at 48, 52 (bent to 53) and 58. My current irons are + 1/4" and 2 deg flat. May go +1/2 on the new set (still 2 deg flat)

Will take my 18 deg 915 fairway out of the bag, Still plan to carry 816 H2 19 (set to 18) and 816 H2 23 set to 22.

My hdcp varies between +2 and 2 depending upon the season (currently at +1).  

Any other shaft recommendations to consider?

Thanks - Bruce

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:55 AM

Carson, Thanks for the compliment.

I do have a strong background - club pro from 1965 through 1992.  Exempt on Senior Tour in 93 and 98.  Played "tour golf" 94 through 97 (Monday 4 spotters, senior mini tour, some section PGA events). Now just a 3 times a week player with pals.  Equal or better my age about 60% of the time. Have a good friend who is a Titleist Advanced Fitter.  Would have already tested the AP3, but have been sidelined for just over a week with some minor sciatica problems.  Hope to be back at it a day or two.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:02 AM

 blehnhard, on 21 August 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

Carson, Thanks for the compliment.

I do have a strong background - club pro from 1965 through 1992.  Exempt on Senior Tour in 93 and 98.  Played "tour golf" 94 through 97 (Monday 4 spotters, senior mini tour, some section PGA events). Now just a 3 times a week player with pals.  Equal or better my age about 60% of the time. Have a good friend who is a Titleist Advanced Fitter.  Would have already tested the AP3, but have been sidelined for just over a week with some minor sciatica problems.  Hope to be back at it a day or two.

I tip my hat to a fellow old geezer.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 11:33 AM

Is there any information on the no up-charge shaft offerings for the 718 line? I've been disappointed in the past that Titleist does not offer more no-charge shaft options. Especially in the KBS line.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:24 PM

 BearQ, on 20 August 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

 KirkNo-yes, on 20 August 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

 BearQ, on 19 August 2017 - 03:32 AM, said:

 KirkNo-yes, on 18 August 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

 Soxfan21, on 16 August 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

In comparison with the AP2, how soft was the AP3?  I know that they are cast and won't be as soft as the AP2, but I just want to know if it is a very noticeable difference, or if the difference in feel is minor.

They aren't as soft as the ap2 but not nearly as clicky as I expected them to be. Sound is good too.  I personally think they felt a lot less clickier than the T-MB's. Something about the T-MB's I just don't like

Just peeping your witb and if memory serves me correctly... What made ya go from X7's to Flighted 6.0s. Thats a pretty dramatic change.

well first the X7's weren't straight in, they were double soft stepped.  I played the 6.0 flighted shafts for ever in a set of 710 AP2's and always had success with those shafts.  I started bouncing around with different shafts in an attempt to replicate the feel and flight of the 6.0 flighted.  they don't make this shaft anymore.  The X7's double soft stepped are the only shaft I tried that came close to this shaft.  Mind you the 6.0 flighteds have all been tipped a half inch each to stiffen them up a bit.  The reason I switched was because the X7's are 132gram shafts and are stiff so by the time I got done with 18 holes I was smoked. I'm 43 and not getting any younger.  I have always gravitated to heavier shafts and played an 80gram shaft in my driver until recently but I am trying to go a little lighter to salvage as much distance as I can

I pulled the shafts out of the old 710's and have put them in 2 separate irons now.

I hear ya, its not a jab, was just curious. I'm 27, off hip labral repair surgery / 2 herniated discs / various wear & tear issues...so I'm already feeling very dinosaur. I can relate to the heavy & rebar shafts wearing one out after practice + 18 holes. I went smoother shafts throughout the bag this year to also combat same issues and still get same flight/spin I'm looking for.

Swinging rebar just to keep flight/spin down is useless if you are worn out at any point, especially later in your round when it really counts. Too bad I learned this after a million full tilt swings playing telephone poles.

Oh, don't worry, didn't think you were taking a jab at me.  I didn't have any problems keeping them in for my pw-7 iron but 6-3 iron were stupid.  By the end of a range session or round I was losing 3-5 yards of flight due to fatigue.  I am about to get a set of the 718s and honestly don't know what to do right now. I don't want to pull these shafts again and the current project x's just DON"T feel the same. I may have to call project x folks at TT and see what they recommend. I heard somewhere that the way they created the old flighted shafts were for a set of 6.0's  they took 6.5's and cut from the butt on pW- 8iron 7and 6 are straight in 6.0s and 5-3 iron shafts are 5.5 shafts that have been tipped to created desired length. I can't remember where I saw this so it could be a figment of my imagination. hahahah.

I am thinking of either hard stepping s400's or soft stepping X100's. Not sure. the reason I loved the X7's so much is because the butt is stiff like project x shafts. not so much with x100's

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