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#1 MoneyPlayer33

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:50 AM

Hey guys just curious for those are you who are members at a private club do tou allow juniors to play in your club championship. ??

The reason i ask is up my club we have one of the top Junior players in the state . Currently carrying a 0.8 index. Just shot 70-70-73 in the state juniot and he wants to play in the club championship. I personally have no problem with him playing but some members are trying to block him from playing on the premises  that tourneys are for full members only and as a junior he is not a full member.

Althoug they are "technically " correct i have always felt that the club championship is the one tournament that shud be open to all members .

Funny thing about it is most the people making a beef have no shot to win anyways . As a 2 time club champ winner and some1 on the short list of contenders i want him in . I want to win knowing i beat the best  players in the club regardless of age or club status .


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:55 AM

My club allows it but they have to play in the championship flight so they have a 0 handicap like everyone else in that flight

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:56 AM

My old club has two college players (at least one of which is on here) who play in it.  I don't have a problem (humble brag: I beat one of them in the finals in 2015, so anything is possible! lol), but I know some of the other guys were grumbling.

I said to them as my brother used to say to me "play better".

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 08:06 AM

Let the kid play.  

We had a kid about 15 years ago that was tough...but only 15.  We didn't have an age rule for the Men's Club Championship but you could play in the Jr Club until 16.  

Several old geezers raised hell about this kid wanting to play and it was mostly guys that were going to be in the Sr Flight anyway.  

We had a meeting of the Men's Golf Assoc. to discuss and it descended into chaos (to be fair that was because we always had our meetings after our Tuesday Night Golf and dinner so half the members were well lubricated.)

In the end we let him play and he finished Top 10.  Won it as a 16 year old and went onto a successful college career and bounced around the mini tours far a year or so.  




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Posted 15 August 2017 - 08:59 AM

We do not. But there are plenty of competitive opportunities for them and other "prestigious" events that they can play in.

It all depends on culture of the club, and there is no correct answer.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 09:05 AM

Most clubs have different membership classes. Someone who is 29 typically pays less than someone who is 45.

I have never heard anyone try and exclude 29yr olds from the club championship. For some reason its only juniors that occur this wrath.

I say let them play whenever this comes up. It came up a few years back at my club when people tried to exclude a junior from being exempt into the interclub team as defending club champion for the same reasons.

In my experience it is rarely about membership class and almost always about the complainer wanting less competition
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 09:08 AM

You summed it up well, the club championship should have all the best players in it. To exclude one of the top players from it due to age is silly.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 09:12 AM

Have the parents pony up the dough for a full membership for the kid. Problem solved?

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM

View Postsuprfli6, on 15 August 2017 - 09:08 AM, said:

You summed it up well, the club championship should have all the best players in it. To exclude one of the top players from it due to age is silly.

I am of the opinion that the junior should be able to play, but should be ineligible for prizes other than the trophy should they win (cash or credit should got to the highest finishing member).

I've never been able to get my head around not having your best players in your club championship, but I didn't grow up at a country club. However,  I did grow up at tennis only club and they put no such age restrictions on who could play in the club championship. I won my first at age 15 (I was a pretty good junior player) and it was pretty neat to get my name on that trophy that my Dad had won years earlier. It also helped make our list of club champs pretty impressive, since a number of the guys that won as juniors went on to play professionally.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:07 AM

View PostHatsForBats, on 15 August 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

Have the parents pony up the dough for a full membership for the kid. Problem solved?

So you want the parents to pay double what everyone else is just because their kid is good? That makes a whole lotta sense....

Let the kid play. I like the idea about he has to play with a 0 handicap and automatically in Championship flight(not that he wouldn't play in that flight anyway from the sounds of it). A lot of it I would guess stems from egotistical 40 year olds who don't want to get waxed by someone still on the Junior Circuit.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:27 AM

Any kid who is a Junior Member of a golf club and has the talent and ability to compete in a Club Championship should not only be allowed to, but he should be encouraged to do so.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:32 AM

I'm of the opinion that the club championship should be for the members. Not the members kids.

We just had ours and the kids played for the Junior Club Championship.
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:33 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

There's a huge difference between staff and members...I think that is assumed here.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:35 AM

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

There's a huge difference between staff and members...I think that is assumed here.

Totally agree. There's a huge difference between members and non members. And in a lot of clubs (mine included), Juniors are not members.

We also have a couple of local colleges (and the local high school) use our course as their home facility. Should those players be allowed in our club championship?

Edited by raynorfan1, 15 August 2017 - 10:37 AM.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:58 AM

Let them play. Our club champs are open to anyone off single figures then we have an intermediate comp for 10 and above. Age is irrelevant. A 16 year old won our 36 hole open on Sunday with 136 gross. Nothing but praise from members and fellow combatants. Then again we allow ladies to vote and be on the committee. Maybe private US clubs are more plutocratic than democratic?

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:08 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

There's a huge difference between staff and members...I think that is assumed here.

Totally agree. There's a huge difference between members and non members. And in a lot of clubs (mine included), Juniors are not members.

We also have a couple of local colleges (and the local high school) use our course as their home facility. Should those players be allowed in our club championship?

Perhaps the OP could elaborate a bit on the membership status of juniors in general at his club

At my club even though they have reduced rates they are considered real members of the club and have full playing privileges in terms of days and times.
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:10 AM

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

So you want the parents to pay double what everyone else is just because their kid is good? That makes a whole lotta sense....

No, I want someone who gets the benefits of a full membership to have to pay the full membership price (which most clubs have a reduced full membership rate for those under a certain age). They don't have to upgrade their son's membership but it is a solution if they want him to have full membership privileges.

If I am paying a premium for a service I don't want the membership rules bent just because someone's kid is good. That does make a whole lot of sense to me.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:12 AM

View PostHatsForBats, on 15 August 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

So you want the parents to pay double what everyone else is just because their kid is good? That makes a whole lotta sense....

No, I want someone who gets the benefits of a full membership to have to pay the full membership price (which most clubs have a reduced full membership rate for those under a certain age). They don't have to upgrade their son's membership but it is a solution if they want him to have full membership privileges.

If I am paying a premium for a service I don't want the membership rules bent just because someone's kid is good. That does make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does your club do different rates by age at all? Forget juniors, but does a 26yr old pay the same as a 45yr old?

Genuinely curious because that is extremely rare around here. Every club I am aware of has lower rates by age. Often you are not paying the highest rate until you are around 40.
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:16 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 15 August 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostHatsForBats, on 15 August 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

So you want the parents to pay double what everyone else is just because their kid is good? That makes a whole lotta sense....

No, I want someone who gets the benefits of a full membership to have to pay the full membership price (which most clubs have a reduced full membership rate for those under a certain age). They don't have to upgrade their son's membership but it is a solution if they want him to have full membership privileges.

If I am paying a premium for a service I don't want the membership rules bent just because someone's kid is good. That does make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does your club do different rates by age at all? Forget juniors, but does a 26yr old pay the same as a 45yr old?

Genuinely curious because that is extremely rare around here. Every club I am aware of has lower rates by age. Often you are not paying the highest rate until you are around 40.

It's apples and oranges. If a club has a rate schedule for different membership prices based on age, that's different than allowing the children of members to use he facility up to a certain age.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:19 AM

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

There's a huge difference between staff and members...I think that is assumed here.

You want my honest answer? I'd personally have no problem with staff playing as long as they paid the entry fee, although I strongly feel that only those that financially support the club (i.e., members, should be eligible for cash and prizes). I wasn't kidding when I stated that I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, with no caveats. I'm not saying someone is wrong for thinking otherwise, I was just merely stating the way I feel. Keep in mind, I didn't pick up golf till after college and was brought up in a different sporting environment, so I have always had a bit of a struggle with the Net (handicapped) mindset of country club golf.
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:27 AM

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

There's a huge difference between staff and members...I think that is assumed here.

You want my honest answer? I'd personally have no problem with staff playing as long as they paid the entry fee, although I strongly feel that only those that financially support the club (i.e., members, should be eligible for cash and prizes). I wasn't kidding when I stated that I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, with no caveats. I'm not saying someone is wrong for thinking otherwise, I was just merely stating the way I feel. Keep in mind, I didn't pick up golf till after college and was brought up in a different sporting environment, so I have always had a bit of a struggle with the Net (handicapped) mindset of country club golf.

Totally agree that this is the right answer for some clubs.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:52 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 15 August 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Does your club do different rates by age at all? Forget juniors, but does a 26yr old pay the same as a 45yr old?

Genuinely curious because that is extremely rare around here. Every club I am aware of has lower rates by age. Often you are not paying the highest rate until you are around 40.

I assume that is extremely rare around here as well. I used 'most' because I don't know every clubs policies. I only know the policies of those that I have looked at in my locale which is a very small sample size.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:26 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 15 August 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostHatsForBats, on 15 August 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

So you want the parents to pay double what everyone else is just because their kid is good? That makes a whole lotta sense....

No, I want someone who gets the benefits of a full membership to have to pay the full membership price (which most clubs have a reduced full membership rate for those under a certain age). They don't have to upgrade their son's membership but it is a solution if they want him to have full membership privileges.

If I am paying a premium for a service I don't want the membership rules bent just because someone's kid is good. That does make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does your club do different rates by age at all? Forget juniors, but does a 26yr old pay the same as a 45yr old?

Genuinely curious because that is extremely rare around here. Every club I am aware of has lower rates by age. Often you are not paying the highest rate until you are around 40.

It's apples and oranges. If a club has a rate schedule for different membership prices based on age, that's different than allowing the children of members to use he facility up to a certain age.

Did I miss a post about it being the child of a member with reduced privileges or something? The OP just mentions he's a junior member of the club I thought.

We have cases at our club where it's actually the reverse, the adults take reduced memberships so their kids can be members

Edited by MtlJeff, 15 August 2017 - 12:26 PM.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:38 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

View Postjli2636, on 15 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 15 August 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, period.

Should the head professional and his (/her) staff also be allowed to play?

How about the caddy staff?

They probably have similar "playing privileges" at the club to Juniors.

Every club has different nuances. There's no right answer.

There's a huge difference between staff and members...I think that is assumed here.

You want my honest answer? I'd personally have no problem with staff playing as long as they paid the entry fee, although I strongly feel that only those that financially support the club (i.e., members, should be eligible for cash and prizes). I wasn't kidding when I stated that I want MY club champ to be the best player at the club, with no caveats. I'm not saying someone is wrong for thinking otherwise, I was just merely stating the way I feel. Keep in mind, I didn't pick up golf till after college and was brought up in a different sporting environment, so I have always had a bit of a struggle with the Net (handicapped) mindset of country club golf.

Totally agree that this is the right answer for some clubs.


That pro would be a pretty dim bulb to play.  No upside for him. You win, you inevitably piss off some members. You lose, you lose. There are plenty of opportunities for club pros to play in their state pga tournaments.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:41 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 15 August 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 15 August 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

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So you want the parents to pay double what everyone else is just because their kid is good? That makes a whole lotta sense....

No, I want someone who gets the benefits of a full membership to have to pay the full membership price (which most clubs have a reduced full membership rate for those under a certain age). They don't have to upgrade their son's membership but it is a solution if they want him to have full membership privileges.

If I am paying a premium for a service I don't want the membership rules bent just because someone's kid is good. That does make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does your club do different rates by age at all? Forget juniors, but does a 26yr old pay the same as a 45yr old?

Genuinely curious because that is extremely rare around here. Every club I am aware of has lower rates by age. Often you are not paying the highest rate until you are around 40.

It's apples and oranges. If a club has a rate schedule for different membership prices based on age, that's different than allowing the children of members to use he facility up to a certain age.

Did I miss a post about it being the child of a member with reduced privileges or something? The OP just mentions he's a junior member of the club I thought.

We have cases at our club where it's actually the reverse, the adults take reduced memberships so their kids can be members

Must be a regional difference. For most clubs in my area, it's actually not possible to be a "junior member" - the only "juniors" that we have around are children of members (who are allowed full use of the facilities).

If the OP is talking "junior membership" in terms of the sort of "young executive" categories- lower initiation fees and dues for guys in their late 20s / early 30s, then again, I think it varies by culture of the club, but it seems odd to exclude them.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 01:15 PM

Ah ok, thanks Raynor!

Yes around here it's very common to have junior members that are given pretty much full access. I believe their parents in many cases have to be at least partial members for them to join, but the junior gets full access including interclub teams and events. The two top players on our team this year were both juniors actually

So what you see sometimes is the reverse, if someone has a talented kid, they'll join the club in the minimum capacity just so the kid can join. So you could have a parent who is like a social member and the kid is a full member.

Anyway that's how a lot of clubs seem to do it around here.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 01:23 PM

I agree that it's BS for a club that sells a "junior" membership to not allow said members to play in the Championship. Either you're a member or you're not.

It was like in the last economic downturn when clubs were running "pay only dues for 3 years, and then if you like it, pony up for the initiation fee if you want to stay" deals, and then not letting those guys play in the Championship.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 01:53 PM

I cannot understand why you would not let a Junior Member in to the club championship. They are the club's, and golf's, future. Being from the UK it would be unheard of not to let them play but I guess in the US it's all about the money in some places, or so it would seem.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 02:22 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 15 August 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

Did I miss a post about it being the child of a member with reduced privileges or something? The OP just mentions he's a junior member of the club I thought.

We have cases at our club where it's actually the reverse, the adults take reduced memberships so their kids can be members

He mentions he is a top junior player in the state which is 18 or younger in Massachusetts. Assume it's that way in all states. OP goes on further to say "on the premises  that tourneys are for full members only and as a junior he is not a full member. ... they are "technically " correct".


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