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Could a Scratch Golfer break 85 at Augusta?


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#691 Dawggolf

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:13 PM

View Postgolfer929, on 09 November 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

View PostNorth Texas, on 09 November 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

View PostRobotDoctor, on 09 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostDawggolf, on 09 November 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

If WRX pool is in need of a 5 handicap thinking that he could break 90 at Augusta, I'll volunteer myself.

Count me in for the 90 pool at ANGC.  That's two of the foursome!!!

I'm in as a 10 who thinks they could break 100.
As the OP of this thread, I will volunteer myself to round out this foursome! Lol
Ok, so who is going to set this thing up?

Edited by Dawggolf, 09 November 2017 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:47 PM

We have seemingly learned many things in this thread.
1) we had a post that said Oakmont is so difficult the best players are 1 handicaps.

2) the average score of the pros is somehow relevant to a scratch. Certainly a few of the pros each year are no longer even scratch and yet they manage. The older past champions are there for the memories.

3) a post said the 14 year old that played a couple years ago and made the cut was “the 490th ranked amateur in the world which makes him low single digits handicap” . More in the sold plus a few cap than anywhere near scratch.

4) and last! If, and perhaps it’s a big if, the suggested tournament rating at the Masters is 78.1 than the scratch could break 85. If tha course rating is accurate then you are asking a scratch to shoot within 7 strokes of his cap.
  If you are absolutely positive a scratch cannot shoot 85 then you are suggesting the tournament rating is about 88 or so. Which certainly makes all of the great tournament scores about +20 to +25 or so differentials.

Edited by Shilgy, 09 November 2017 - 09:47 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:51 PM

I shot a 79 there (best friends dad was team doctor for the Falcons). One of the best ball striking rounds of my life. Obviously it wasnt set up like the Masters though.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:27 AM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 09 November 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

I shot a 79 there (best friends dad was team doctor for the Falcons). One of the best ball striking rounds of my life. Obviously it wasnt set up like the Masters though.

Well done!!!  What tees did you play from?  Members tees?  And if so what was your thought when looking back at the tournament tees with regard to the course and how that might affect your score?  I’m curious to get actual feedback from anyone who has played ANGC.  Thanks!

Edited by RobotDoctor, 10 November 2017 - 10:28 AM.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:10 AM

View Postcdnglf, on 06 November 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 06 November 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

View Postcdnglf, on 03 November 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

Perhaps you missed this:
https://www.golfdige...h-augusta-knuth

Anybody who thinks the slope for Augusta National from the tips with tournament greens is 137 is an absolute idiot.  I play slopes of 130 - 142 every week and there is no comparison to ANGC.

Might want to brush up on the definition of slope. From the article:
"I invented the rating system, taught golf associations worldwide how to use it and have rated more than 1,000 courses"

I'm quite aware of the definition of slope.  But my evaluation stands;  There is no way AGNC slope is 137.


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:33 AM

View PostRobotDoctor, on 10 November 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 09 November 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

I shot a 79 there (best friends dad was team doctor for the Falcons). One of the best ball striking rounds of my life. Obviously it wasnt set up like the Masters though.

Well done!!!  What tees did you play from?  Members tees?  And if so what was your thought when looking back at the tournament tees with regard to the course and how that might affect your score?  I'm curious to get actual feedback from anyone who has played ANGC.  Thanks!

I played it a few years ago and shot 86.  My index was probably about 7.5 at the time.  The greens were probably running 9 or 10 and I still had two three-putts and only one one-putt for a total of 37 putts.  If the stimp was 12 or 13 I'm sure I would have had several more three-putts.

I hit 11 fairways and 7 greens. The longest putt I made was 9 feet.

The fairways were very soft and the thick overseed prevented us from getting any roll out on our drives, so it played longer than the scorecard yardage.  Here are the clubs I hit;

1: 6i
2: 9i
3: 8i
4: 4H
5: 6i
6: 6i
7: SW
8: SW
9: 8i
10: 4H
11: 9i
12: 8i
13: pitch out of trees
14: pitch out of trees
15: SW
16: 7i
17: 6i
18: 4H

Regarding your question about the back tees, some holes like #12 (10 yards) and #6 (15 yards) have very little distance between the members tees and the back tees.  Others, a huge difference like #2 (60 yards), #4 (70 yards), #8 (90 yards),  #11 (105 yards), #18 (80 yards).

Edited by Roadking2003, 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2017 - 09:04 AM

View Postcdnglf, on 01 November 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

View Postjmvargas, on 01 November 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

although interesting this discussion has run it's course with the same arguments being repeated over and over again..

the naysayers are overthinking the difficulty of the course and vice-versa..

in the end the short answer is YES..

Agreed. Time to move on to fresh topics like Tiger vs Jack, blades vs cavaties, and why peter Kessler was fired.
I miss Peter Kessler. Back when the golf channel was interesting.

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 11:05 AM

View Postsharkiesj, on 19 November 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

A Callaway driver, not a Cleveland.

View Postgolfer07840, on 19 November 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

View Postcdnglf, on 01 November 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

View Postjmvargas, on 01 November 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

although interesting this discussion has run it's course with the same arguments being repeated over and over again..

the naysayers are overthinking the difficulty of the course and vice-versa..

in the end the short answer is YES..

Agreed. Time to move on to fresh topics like Tiger vs Jack, blades vs cavaties, and why peter Kessler was fired.
I miss Peter Kessler. Back when the golf channel was interesting.

I believe Peter Kessler was fired because Arnold Palmer was endorsing a Callaway driver that exceeded the COR limits and Kessler called Mr. Palmer on it during a start of the golf season interview on TGC.  Mr. Palmer didn't like the line of questioning and then Mr. Kessler doesn't work for TGC any longer.

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Edited by RobotDoctor, 20 November 2017 - 10:34 AM.

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 10:08 PM

A Callaway driver, not a Cleveland.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:32 AM

View Postsharkiesj, on 19 November 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

A Callaway driver, not a Cleveland.

Right!  I must have been eyeing a Cleveland Persimmon wood on some internet auction site.  :D

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:33 PM

I think it would all depend on putting. If you could get a feel for the greens, the ball striking on that course shouldn't be too difficult for a true scratch. Start piling on the 3-4 whacks and breaking 85 or 80 will be a serious challenge... especially with no practice round.

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 07:15 AM

Vanity scratch, legit scratch or sandbagger scratch?  Pretty wide spread in ability levels between the two extremes.  Two of the three would likely have no problem.
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Posted 21 November 2017 - 10:55 AM

Sandbagger scratch?   What’s that?  Someone who really is scratch but carries a handicap so they can cheat in tournaments of no consequence?  That kind of golfer goes against the very grain this Gentlemen’s game was founded on.
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