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Working on steeper back swing shoulder/hip turn


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#1 ajax5184

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:48 AM

Title pretty much says it all. I am just hoping for some feedback if I am on the right track with this, or even working on the right thing. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Swing with steeper turn. (sorry not in slow mo)



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#2 MonteScheinblum

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:58 AM

Normal backswing is better, IMO.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 10:12 AM

Think working on a more vertical wrist set would help.   You get the club head behind your hands which can lead to a flat backswing.   At left arm parallel in each swing the butt of the club is pointing out past the ball instead of at it or inside it.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:00 AM

Thanks guys. Normal swing works well with driver and my 4 wood but I have 0 consistentcy with my irons. My short game and putting are actually pretty good, but lately my irons are so bad that I can hardly break 100 even when driving it well. Frustrating considering I have been golfing for 15+ years.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:22 AM

View Postajax5184, on 11 August 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

Thanks guys. Normal swing works well with driver and my 4 wood but I have 0 consistentcy with my irons. My short game and putting are actually pretty good, but lately my irons are so bad that I can hardly break 100 even when driving it well. Frustrating considering I have been golfing for 15+ years.

As someone above said, I think you need more vertical wrist set.  I'm fighting the same problem going on 26+ years now.  :)  Keeping the clubhead outside the hands is such a strange feeling for people who have been early hinging and sucking it inside for as long as us.  It takes a ton of work to fix and it's so easy to slide back into what feels good to us.  I actually still hate the feeling of when I swing the club correctly.  It feels like I just turn the shoulders and lift the club straight over my right shoulder.  But the ball flight doesn't lie.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:39 AM

Thanks for input. I have tried that in the past but never stuck with it because it felt so awful and I hit it so much worse. Guess I just need to commit to it and work at it until it feels more normal.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:15 PM

how often do you hit your garage door opener? that's gotta wreak havoc on your being able to mentally relax during a swing.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:26 PM

LOL, should have cropped that out! First time ever actually. I moved everything so I could get a better DTL camera view. I am usually setup in a different spot like in the normal swing video.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:36 PM

You're trying to steepen your shoulders but in reality your just dropping your head and having it work towards the ball in the takeaway. This and the right arm is folding behind you causing the arms to get too flat and narrow.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:43 PM

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You're trying to steepen your shoulders but in reality your just dropping your head and having it work towards the ball in the takeaway. This and the right arm is folding behind you causing the arms to get too flat and narrow.

Thanks for the input. Do you agree with the earlier wrist set that others mentioned above? Would that also help with my right elbow folding behind me?


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:23 PM

View Postajax5184, on 11 August 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

View Postksgolfcoach, on 11 August 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

You're trying to steepen your shoulders but in reality your just dropping your head and having it work towards the ball in the takeaway. This and the right arm is folding behind you causing the arms to get too flat and narrow.

Thanks for the input. Do you agree with the earlier wrist set that others mentioned above? Would that also help with my right elbow folding behind me?
It's not really earlier, it's more correct wrist set that I agree with. And no, that will in no way help your right arm. A ton of small swings getting the hinge, arms, and pivot working correctly and you'll improve very quickly



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:13 AM

Updated video working on earlier wrist set and trying to keep right elbow from getting so far behind me on back swing. Any thoughts?



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

Elbow needs to get forward sooner.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:32 AM

Thanks Monte, I will work on that. My next question if the back swing looked ok was going to be why am I slicing my irons now. I guess this is probably why. Appreciate it.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:02 PM

I suspect you have trouble with shanking and pulling?

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:37 PM

Yes to both. This year has been so bad that I have considered finding a new hobby. I have had rounds this year where it was probably 50/50 shanks. Very few are actually the straight sideways variety, most are the kind that are really low and 10-20 yards right.  The quicker wrist set seems to be helping a lot, although until I get enough reps to be comfortable with it, who knows. I am thinking about getting fitted for some irons too to see if that helps at all. I am 6' tall but have a 6'7" wingspan, and just play standard off the shelf clubs. I doubt that has much to do with it, but its worth a shot I guess. You still battling the laterals too?

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:13 PM

View Postajax5184, on 13 September 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

Yes to both. This year has been so bad that I have considered finding a new hobby. I have had rounds this year where it was probably 50/50 shanks. Very few are actually the straight sideways variety, most are the kind that are really low and 10-20 yards right.  The quicker wrist set seems to be helping a lot, although until I get enough reps to be comfortable with it, who knows. I am thinking about getting fitted for some irons too to see if that helps at all. I am 6' tall but have a 6'7" wingspan, and just play standard off the shelf clubs. I doubt that has much to do with it, but its worth a shot I guess. You still battling the laterals too?
Unfortunately yes,my impact is similar to yours in that the clubface gets too far away from me.Its only bad with short irons when my swing is going south.Even when swinging good and getting around the course solidly my contact is toward the heel mostly.It only takes fractions of an inch to turn a good heel strike into a shank.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:47 PM

I think that you have made some improvement on Video number 3.  I would like to see your posture a bit better. Your shoulders appear rounded and with little knee flex. Think athletic position. From my eye, you are breaking down on the downswing in the body in an effort to cover the ball. Perhaps a better posture would get your shoulders on the right line and deeper in the turn. Furthermore, this might give you the room for your hands to get in the more vertical position. All of this is allowing you to keep the club its desired path all the while using your natural body height to add leverage and a stronger compression of the ball.

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