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#1 Hescrience

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:15 PM

First, let me start by saying I've only recently gotten obsessed with this game. (Played 2 times a week since March with the exception of a couple weeks here and there)
You can see my other post where I updated my progress and I think I have shown some promising things in the span of about 6 months.
Started out at the 95-105 mark and have dropped my score to 85-95 in that span.
The last couple months though I have plateaued! Argh!
I haven't had a single lesson and my equipment is not fitted towards me at all. Let me give you guys a list of what I use
Taylormade Burner driver/3 wood
Calloway Razr 5-9iron
Calloway big bertha(olddddd) 3-4iron(Please don't ask me how this happened lol I got my fathers hand me downs and he has slight anger issues when it comes to golf but who doesnt? They are in a lake somewhere)
The newest 56 degree wedge from Cleveland(It's the RTX 2.0)
Calloway Warbird 60 degree wedge
an old bronze golfsmith sand wedge
Taylormade '79 putter(It says '79 on it, it's not from 1979)

As you can see I have a whole bunch of brands and a whole bunch of differently aged clubs....
So I guess my question is. Is it really worth it to shell 2000+(estimate) on some new clubs/fitting?
Like.. I know lessons most definitely will improve my score. but the custom fitting/new clubs??
I am only 20 years old and honestly, If I can drop my score another 10 strokes by my 21st birthday in April then I am fully 100% prepared to give it a go at dedicating every day to this and becoming professional. It sounds like a stretch I know. But I gotta try it if I can get out of this hump.
Thanks for whatever you have to say on this topic! I appreciate all criticism and feedback!


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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:20 PM

Before you drop a crazy amount of money on equipment, get together with a really good golf teacher and make sure that you are on the right path to improvement.  You would hate to spend a lot on equipment when your swing might improve over the next year or so, and different equipment might fit you better.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:23 PM

You just can't get the 100 and in part down in that short of a time frame.  I am 46, started playing this game at 9, just shot in the 60's for the first time in my life on 18 about a month ago.

Lessons and fittings can be a great help, but I have never had either, which may explain why it took so long, but I never started to actually work on a short game til the last few years, and it has payed off dramatically.

Stay the course, work on the short game, try and be patient.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:25 PM

View PostHescrience, on 09 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

First, let me start by saying I've only recently gotten obsessed with this game. (Played 2 times a week since March with the exception of a couple weeks here and there)
You can see my other post where I updated my progress and I think I have shown some promising things in the span of about 6 months.
Started out at the 95-105 mark and have dropped my score to 85-95 in that span.
The last couple months though I have plateaued! Argh!
I haven't had a single lesson and my equipment is not fitted towards me at all. Let me give you guys a list of what I use
Taylormade Burner driver/3 wood
Calloway Razr 5-9iron
Calloway big bertha(olddddd) 3-4iron(Please don't ask me how this happened lol I got my fathers hand me downs and he has slight anger issues when it comes to golf but who doesnt? They are in a lake somewhere)
The newest 56 degree wedge from Cleveland(It's the RTX 2.0)
Calloway Warbird 60 degree wedge
an old bronze golfsmith sand wedge
Taylormade '79 putter(It says '79 on it, it's not from 1979)

As you can see I have a whole bunch of brands and a whole bunch of differently aged clubs....
So I guess my question is. Is it really worth it to shell 2000+(estimate) on some new clubs/fitting?
Like.. I know lessons most definitely will improve my score. but the custom fitting/new clubs??
I am only 20 years old and honestly, If I can drop my score another 10 strokes by my 21st birthday in April then I am fully 100% prepared to give it a go at dedicating every day to this and becoming professional. It sounds like a stretch I know. But I gotta try it if I can get out of this hump.
Thanks for whatever you have to say on this topic! I appreciate all criticism and feedback!

This is solid three step process:

1.   First, and most importantly, if you've never had lessons from a PGA professional, you have to do this.  Lessons from friends and family don't cut it.  You need to learn the proper fundamentals from a pro.

2.   Secondly, and I'm not joking or trying to start a blade vs. GI argument, but get a properly fitted set of blades.  These will require you to focus on your swing and ball striking.  

3.    Third, practice often the fundamentals taught in your lessons.  You said you are obsessed, so this should not be a problem for you.  

If you follow these three steps, you will develop a solid golf swing.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:38 PM

Like Warrick said... practice your short game. I'm talking a stupid amount of practice. Scores are lowered when you get to the point where you feel like you can make par from anywhere. When you're in the woods and you punch out to 70 yards, then knock it 5 feet and make the putt. When you're short sided behind a bunker with no green to work with and the closest you can get it is 15 feet, then you step up and make the putt. You're not going to hit fairways and greens every time you step on the course, golf is hard. But learning to scramble will shave strokes in a hurry.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:39 PM

I would say that you goal is a bit ambitious.  Just know that the first 10 strokes you dropped were/will be easier than the next 10 or even 5 strokes.

Take a step back and see what allowed you to improve?  Was it one area in specific?  Or overall you started to play par 3s, 4s, and 5s better?  Was that done through better putting, short game, irons and driving?  

Where do you need improvement?  See categories above.

Properly fit equipment and knowledge both will give you confidence.  Confidence is key in golf.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:40 PM

As a follow up, I feel I have the best fitting equipment I ever have had and my scores are showing it.  However a good golfer can beat me with any set of equipment.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:04 PM

Well at least you STARTED shooting 105...some people start shooting over 150 and have to go down from there.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:10 PM

Track your stats. Putts, GIR's, average score on par 3's, 4's, 5's, etc. If you track enough stats, eventually you will notice what your biggest areas to improve are. Play the course from different sets of tees to practice coming in from a different angle, yardage etc. And just keep playing. Also, a lesson with an actual golf professional will help a lot in the long run. If you have a par 3 course, play it a lot to help out your ball striking. The best summer of golf I ever had was when I played the par 3 course a lot. When I was on the full course, most of my second shots were a matter of remembering which par 3 course hole was roughly that length, and it boosted my confidence a ton. And if you don't have time to play 18 (or even 9), just go putt and chip as often as you can.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:27 PM

Also, looking at your clubs, they are already a decent set.


I'm not saying not to get new equipment (me being on this site kinda tells you that I love getting new golf equipment), but I don't think new fitted clubs will get you the 10 strokes you're looking for.

That being said, it could give you the confidence you need, and the push to go out and practice every morning. And if that's the case, then I'd say go for it! Its what I've done.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:27 PM

As said above, work on your short game and learn how to get out of trouble without getting yourself in more trouble.  Double/triple bogeys can happen quickly and are score killers.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:07 PM

Getting good at golf takes two things. Time and money. If you don't have one you're never going to be as good as you want to be. If you don't really have both you're never going to be very good at all.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:14 PM

Take heart that you've plateaued rather than regressed!  I've been playing with similar frequency, twice a week with a few exceptions, and I've gotten worse over the last month or so.  

I was consistently in the 80 - 83 range the end of last season.  We had one of those rare February weekends in the 60s and shot an 83 and was excited for the season.  Consistently been mid to high 80s this year, and the last couple of weekends have been a struggle to break 90.  Maybe I need to take a weekend or two off...
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:37 PM

I have found that golf is a series of plateaus. You take that next leap, and them seem stuck there for a long time. If you stick with it, you will make the next leap. As was said, golf is difficult. I have been playing 12 years and am now starting to shoot in the 70s on a regular basis. But I was wondering if it would ever happen. I just kept grinding away at it. If nothing else, golf requires an infinite amount of patience. And, I never take the golf gods for granted. It's a humbling game, it really is.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:35 PM

View PostHescrience, on 09 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

First, let me start by saying I've only recently gotten obsessed with this game. (Played 2 times a week since March with the exception of a couple weeks here and there)
You can see my other post where I updated my progress and I think I have shown some promising things in the span of about 6 months.
Started out at the 95-105 mark and have dropped my score to 85-95 in that span.
The last couple months though I have plateaued! Argh!
I haven't had a single lesson and my equipment is not fitted towards me at all. Let me give you guys a list of what I use
Taylormade Burner driver/3 wood
Calloway Razr 5-9iron
Calloway big bertha(olddddd) 3-4iron(Please don't ask me how this happened lol I got my fathers hand me downs and he has slight anger issues when it comes to golf but who doesnt? They are in a lake somewhere)
The newest 56 degree wedge from Cleveland(It's the RTX 2.0)
Calloway Warbird 60 degree wedge
an old bronze golfsmith sand wedge
Taylormade '79 putter(It says '79 on it, it's not from 1979)

As you can see I have a whole bunch of brands and a whole bunch of differently aged clubs....
So I guess my question is. Is it really worth it to shell 2000+(estimate) on some new clubs/fitting?
Like.. I know lessons most definitely will improve my score. but the custom fitting/new clubs??
I am only 20 years old and honestly, If I can drop my score another 10 strokes by my 21st birthday in April then I am fully 100% prepared to give it a go at dedicating every day to this and becoming professional. It sounds like a stretch I know. But I gotta try it if I can get out of this hump.
Thanks for whatever you have to say on this topic! I appreciate all criticism and feedback!

1. Most professionals don't set out to be professionals. They just love golf and the rest takes care of itself. Don't be an ego golfer be a mastery golfer (and if you don't know what this means, buy some of gio valentine's books).

2. Don't listen to anyone who tells you great golfers need great short games. It's nonsense and it's antiquated. All great golfers have one thing in common - they hit tons of GIRs. Ball striking is king. The tour average from the sand is 2.74. If all you do is hack it out and two putt you won't be the worst on tour. With a handful of exceptions, professional golf is a collection of the best full swing players in the world. "Making par from anywhere" is a myth if you actually look at professional statistics.  Some of them can do that but they are a tiny minority.  You should focus on short game once your hitting 11-16 greens every single round. Not before.

3. Don't ever confuse score with game. Your score may have plateu'd. That doesn't mean you are an identical ability level. It can take a long time for improvement to show up in your scores.

4. Don't listen to anyone who says you can't do it. Your life is yours and you only get one. Read nick oherns book about how he made the tour. It's not much different from you right now.

5. Start playing in events right now. Playing with buddies and randoms is fun and all but it's about as much like playing in a tournament as whiffle ball is to baseball. Get used to it. The only way to shed the fear of tournaments is to look like an idiot in them a couple hundred times. Start now.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:37 PM

You should get new clubs.  I know that's what you want to do.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 07:02 PM

Every man has their limitations. I forget who said that, "Dirty" Harry Callahan?

Anyway, just enjoy the game. Maybe you'll get a little better.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 07:13 PM

I would take a lesson and see what kind of feedback I could get from pro.  Try to start playing with low handicap golfers and watch how they approach everything.  I learned more from the scratch golfers at my club then anywhere else by just watching.  Golf really is 75 mental 25 pyshical

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 09:37 PM

Start 3 feet from the hole, master that and move to 6'. See how fast the point of no return comes at you.

Then do it again,...and again,....and again......

When you think you can play a bit, play in your state association events. Get your head handed to you.

Then do it again,...and again,....and again......


You will improve by leaps and bounds, become bored with chop and giggle with your buddies, and then realize the zen of GolfWRX.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 09:52 PM

View PostStriker Ace, on 09 August 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

Every man has their limitations. I forget who said that, "Dirty" Harry Callahan?

Anyway, just enjoy the game. Maybe you'll get a little better.

A man's got to know his limitations.

Golf is hard, man.  If it's not one thing, it's another.  It's not the equipment holding you back.


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Posted 10 August 2017 - 08:49 AM

I'll offer the "Hybrid" approach: you don't need to get all new equipment, but I would get three new wedges because, as others have stated, your short game will have to be world-class to get to the level you want to get to.

This way you get some new sticks to enjoy but you're only dropping $400-450 on three new wedges. I'd also figure out which ball you really like and stick with it.

I offer this approach because during the Open last month there was a five minute period on TV where every player they were following was in a tough spot and they all hit incredible shots to three or four feet to save par. It was unreal.

As I watched all these great shots I thought to myself, "this is why these guys are pros."

Good luck!

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 09:19 AM

Every time I go to the range I look at the other players practicing and a part of me wants to go up to them and tell them to STOP, and go find a professional to help them fix their swings.  Banging balls incessantly with a bad swing just ingrains bad habits deeper and deeper into your inner golf being, which will make it harder to reach the next level and improve.  

A friends son became a golf rat as the age of 10, and with the assistance of the local pros this kid could hit driver off the fairway by the time he was 12 and NEVER mishit the ball.  He couldn't hit it far, but he made perfect contact every time.  

One other huge benefit of finding a good coach is to help you develop a good swing that doesn't overly stress your back.  I'm a self taught player that managed to reach a single figure handicap inside five years of playing, but my swing has too much lateral movement in it which stresses out my back.  Now that I'm older this swing is doing me no good.  A more classic rotational type swing would be easier on the body.  Easy to say but hard to do for this old dog...
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Posted 10 August 2017 - 09:34 AM

View PostNessism, on 10 August 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

One other huge benefit of finding a good coach is to help you develop a good swing that doesn't overly stress your back.  I'm a self taught player that managed to reach a single figure handicap inside five years of playing, but my swing has too much lateral movement in it which stresses out my back.  Now that I'm older this swing is doing me no good.  A more classic rotational type swing would be easier on the body.  Easy to say but hard to do for this old dog...

I don't mean to thread jack, but I used to get awful lower back pain from a swing with a reverse pivot that had tons of lateral movement. Pretty much the same story - self-taught, former tennis player so lots of speed, got good pretty quick.  I switched to Karl Rabito's Structure Governs Function (http://therabitoway....verns-function/) swing and the back pain disappeared.  I know swing schools / thoughts are a dime a dozen but I've really gotten a ton out of it.  I have a local instructor but the website is great too.  I went from about a 8.5 to a 2 going much more rotary (there is still lateral movement, just not as savage and out of control).  You've helped me out a lot with club making so wanted to post.  My back hasn't hurt since I started with them.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 10:53 AM

View Postgvogel, on 09 August 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

Before you drop a crazy amount of money on equipment, get together with a really good golf teacher and make sure that you are on the right path to improvement.  You would hate to spend a lot on equipment when your swing might improve over the next year or so, and different equipment might fit you better.

Bingo!  Invest in lessons first.  It is very unreasonable to think that you are just going to figure it out.  The online teachers are great.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 11:41 AM

Clubs won't make a lick of difference, trust me I've tried 100s of times.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:06 PM

I hear these guys with the back problems. I used to drive beginning with the feet, then the knees and really drive the leading leg into the ground after shifting from the knees rotating from the rear leg into the lead leg (if that makes any sense?) But now I just rotate through. I don't crush it but I do get reasonable distance and better consistency. It also helps me to relax and just enjoy the game better.

I'm past the point of becoming a Dustin Johnson anyway.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 05:47 PM

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 09 August 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

View PostHescrience, on 09 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

First, let me start by saying I've only recently gotten obsessed with this game. (....)
Started out at the 95-105 mark and have dropped my score to 85-95 in that span. (....)
(...)

2. Don't listen to anyone who tells you great golfers need great short games. It's nonsense and it's antiquated. All great golfers have one thing in common - they hit tons of GIRs. Ball striking is king. The tour average from the sand is 2.74. If all you do is hack it out and two putt you won't be the worst on tour. With a handful of exceptions, professional golf is a collection of the best full swing players in the world. "Making par from anywhere" is a myth if you actually look at professional statistics.  Some of them can do that but they are a tiny minority.  You should focus on short game once your hitting 11-16 greens every single round. Not before.
(...)

I fully agree you don't need a great short game to be a great player. GIR and distance off the tee are the most important to become a great player. Like Pinestreet said, nobody saves par from anywhere.

HOWEVER, you absolutely do need a DECENT short game to become a decent player, let alone a great player. That doesn't mean you need to get up and down all the time, but you MUST be able to get in the hole in three shots from anywhere within, say, 70 yards. To improve your scores, especially if you want to break 80, you don't have to save par on a lot of holes, but you have to 'save bogey' when you miss the green.  If you can get anywhere on the green in one shot all the time, you'll avoid those costly double and triple bogeys, and statistics alone will make you have some up-and-downs.
Learning to chip and pitch DECENTLY, i.e. getting close enough so you will never 3-putt and occasionally one-putt, is MUCH easier than adding one or two GIR per round.

So my advice is to track how often you needed more than 3 strokes from within 70 yards. If it's more than once per round, start practicing your short game.
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Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:18 PM

View PostDouble Dutch, on 10 August 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 09 August 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

View PostHescrience, on 09 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

First, let me start by saying I've only recently gotten obsessed with this game. (....)
Started out at the 95-105 mark and have dropped my score to 85-95 in that span. (....)
(...)

2. Don't listen to anyone who tells you great golfers need great short games. It's nonsense and it's antiquated. All great golfers have one thing in common - they hit tons of GIRs. Ball striking is king. The tour average from the sand is 2.74. If all you do is hack it out and two putt you won't be the worst on tour. With a handful of exceptions, professional golf is a collection of the best full swing players in the world. "Making par from anywhere" is a myth if you actually look at professional statistics.  Some of them can do that but they are a tiny minority.  You should focus on short game once your hitting 11-16 greens every single round. Not before.
(...)

I fully agree you don't need a great short game to be a great player. GIR and distance off the tee are the most important to become a great player. Like Pinestreet said, nobody saves par from anywhere.

HOWEVER, you absolutely do need a DECENT short game to become a decent player, let alone a great player. That doesn't mean you need to get up and down all the time, but you MUST be able to get in the hole in three shots from anywhere within, say, 70 yards. To improve your scores, especially if you want to break 80, you don't have to save par on a lot of holes, but you have to 'save bogey' when you miss the green.  If you can get anywhere on the green in one shot all the time, you'll avoid those costly double and triple bogeys, and statistics alone will make you have some up-and-downs.
Learning to chip and pitch DECENTLY, i.e. getting close enough so you will never 3-putt and occasionally one-putt, is MUCH easier than adding one or two GIR per round.

So my advice is to track how often you needed more than 3 strokes from within 70 yards. If it's more than once per round, start practicing your short game.

I agree with your principle, but would caution him actually practicing these shots when he's shooting 95s.  The key to hitting good shots within 70 yards is getting the low point of your swing in front of the ball and your weight left.  Most players (not just most bad players) have a tough time getting forward and smashing down on 30 yard pitch.  There is a significant danger that practicing these shots on their own at this point in his development will groove a scoop, which is death.  The easiest way to hit a high-lofted club onto the green from 50 yards is to scoop it, and you can generally get away with it out of good lies.  It is much easier to blast an 8 iron than it is to "blast" a 40 yard pitch shot by making a very small backswing.  It is really, really easy to develop awful habits by practicing short game first ESPECIALLY if you don't have someone around to tell you when you are scooping and when your not.

You can't scoop a 6 iron and have it go anywhere.  You can scoop a wedge onto the green from 50 yards pretty easily.  Its just not a great place to start getting better at golf.

This is where you have to draw a distinction between ability and score.  The quickest way for him to drop his score is exactly what you suggest, but long term it doesn't matter very much.  If he learns to hit down on the ball he'll be able to pitch the ball.  If he can smash a mid-iron, he isn't just going to flail helplessly from 60 - he's going to hit the 60 yard shot correctly and if he has good impact with a mid-iron he'll dial in wedges in a matter of weeks if not days.  If he gets used to scooping his shots in close because he did those first he'll never be able to hit an iron correctly.

Full swing practice carries over to the short game.  Short game practice (unless you have someone standing next to you making sure you arn't scooping OR you only hit bunker shots and downhill/bare lie chips) doesn't just not carry over, it can actively develop bad habits.

So, your correct for sure, I would just caution the OP on the timing.  He should start practicing those shots when he can hit down on a ball with his weight left (which isn't now, or he wouldn't be shooting 85-95).
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Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:38 PM

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 06:55 AM

I have always found dropping strokes in golf was like loosing weight. The first 10 lbs./strokes was easy. It was the next 10lbs./strokes was hard. I found it easy to get from 125 first round to get down to the 80s was easy, but to get down to the 70s got harder. I too plateaued @ a 4 handicap. Like someone on here said it takes time and money to get better at this game is true! Gary player said, 'the harder you practise, the luckier you get'. OP, go find yourself a good pro you gel with and get some lessons. If you are not doing the 'right' things, you will never get better. Your pro can help you with your next fitted clubs purchase. Good luck playing this great game! ;)

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