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Should You Play a Counter Balanced Shaft in Ping G400?


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#1 Bomber_

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 11:10 PM

At ~208gr is the Ping G400 head heavy enough to validate a counterbalanced shaft?

I play more on feel than on a particular swing weight - but I don't like the head to feel noticeably heavy.

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 06:26 AM

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 07:17 AM

The counterbalanced design isn't anything new as Ping has been using this technology for several generations of drivers, etc.  It works really well and the driver feels better throughout the swing too. Just my experience but I really like it even in my old G20 driver.

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 08:02 AM

I can't speak specifically about the counterbalanced design and how much that is helping or not helping.  What I can tell you is that historically I have tried Ping driver and wood shafts in the past and hated them.  I can also tell you I tried a Graphite Design AD-DI6X that was in my G in the G400.  

However, the new CB Alta is, in my opinion, incredible!  Head-to-head both on the range and on the course for me personally I love the Alta.  I got the CB Alta X and I can't hit it any better than I have with the G400.  Best I have hit driver in quite some time.  I would suggest to anybody to try it before spending boat loads on a premium or upgraded shaft.
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Posted 07 August 2017 - 08:18 AM

Probably. I think my M2 with a non CB'ed shaft (201g head) came in around D2.5-D3. At 208 that's in the D4 range which for ME personally is too much for driver. Not sure how many points each respective shaft will reduce the SW, but that D2 range is generally where I like driver. Rest of my clubs D3 is fine, D4 even for SW and LW.

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 10:23 AM

I think the weight listed is including the adapter. Would have to check with ping but 208 is quite heavy for just the head alone
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Posted 07 August 2017 - 11:24 AM

View Postritz0019, on 07 August 2017 - 08:02 AM, said:

the new CB Alta is, in my opinion, incredible!

Wow, since I hated the original Alta from last year.  Who is the OEM, UST, Aldila or ...?

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 11:51 AM

View PostBomber_11, on 06 August 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

At ~208gr is the Ping G400 head heavy enough to validate a counterbalanced shaft?

I play more on feel than on a particular swing weight - but I don't like the head to feel noticeably heavy.

At the length Ping is offering the stock shaft, it would appear to warrant it.   In the past the tour shafts haven't been counterbalanced, but they're also heavier and 1/2 inch shorter.

I made a point to say warrant rather than validate because for me at least whenever I've yet to enjoy a demo of a driver with a counterbalanced shaft.

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 12:44 PM

View Postmootrail, on 07 August 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

View Postritz0019, on 07 August 2017 - 08:02 AM, said:

the new CB Alta is, in my opinion, incredible!

Wow, since I hated the original Alta from last year.  Who is the OEM, UST, Aldila or ...?

I wondered the same thing.  I actually didn't hit the Alta from last year, I had a premium shaft in my G.  I did hit the Tour shaft with in both the 65 and 80X and hated it.  Hated the TFC shafts.  So, I was shocked when I actually not only liked it, but preferred it.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:40 PM

What makes the Alta CB counterbalanced?  I have the G400 with the shaft and it appears to just be a normal shaft.  No counterweight of any kind


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:55 PM

I have hzrdus yellow in my g400 and it is Perfection!

i think the counterbalance is key with the heavier head myself

don't like them in lighter head drivers, but the g400 is a great match

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:49 AM

View Postrjp322, on 11 September 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

What makes the Alta CB counterbalanced?  I have the G400 with the shaft and it appears to just be a normal shaft.  No counterweight of any kind

Anyone have an answer to this?

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:51 PM

More material in the butt end of the shaft


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:46 AM

Most reports I've seen have Aldila as the primary maker of the Alta shafts and UST for the Tour shafts.

But it doesn't really matter since they are both made to Ping's specs - they are not just one of the OEM shafts that has been rebranded.

As for the question of counterbalanced shafts or not - it largely depends on the playing length you want to play it at and what SW is a good fit for the given length and shaft weight.   Some counterbalancing might certainly helpful for the longer lengths.

Edited by Stuart G., 05 October 2017 - 08:19 AM.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:27 PM

anyone compare hzrdus yellow and x-torsion copper in this g400?
both counter-balanced
yellow higher spin and launch i believe
insights appreciated


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:06 AM

View PostMorry, on 15 September 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

anyone compare hzrdus yellow and x-torsion copper in this g400?
both counter-balanced
yellow higher spin and launch i believe
insights appreciated
Any experience here to share would be welcome

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 08:10 AM

Isn't that the Harrison Shot Maker did the same thing in the past ?

I think the price point did not make it work well.  A lower price point might give most golfer a chance to try one.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:09 PM

On the Ping website specs, it lists the head at 206.5 gms, so 208 is right in there. SW is D3 at 45.75" Also, the Xtorsion Copper IS a CB shaft, don't know about the others.

For relational purposes, I recently shafted my LTD Pro head (203gms w/ adapter) with a SpeedRulz Type-A (not CB) 60 TX and at 46" it is D6. It was a long driver experiment and it seems to perform pretty good if I choke down an inch. BTW, counterbalancing really works well if you choke down on the grip some. It moves the weight behind your hands so that it counters the head more. Holding at the end of the grip, the club is just heavy!

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