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Mizuno MP-18 (Blades, SC, MMC, MMC Fli-Hi) irons- Comparison Pics Pg 16


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Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:05 PM

 izzi, on 08 August 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

Head Length vs. Sweet Area
mizuno-sweet-area-chart.jpg

Sweet spot area on the Y axis? Nice. Looks like the most 18 mcc these are my new irons

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:11 PM

Makes me wish all my clubs were stolen...lol
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:24 PM

 kylesilk, on 08 August 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

Makes me wish all my clubs were stolen...lol

Me too
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:36 PM

I can't stop looking at this thread!

Mizuno likely wins iron lineup of the year with this bunch
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:37 PM

 BearQ, on 08 August 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

I can't stop looking at this thread!

Mizuno likely wins iron lineup of the year with this bunch
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:15 PM

Can someone explain the sweet area from the graph. What does it represent?
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:27 PM

These are gorgeous, cant wait
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:29 PM

 BearQ, on 08 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

Can someone explain the sweet area from the graph. What does it represent?

If I understand correctly, the higher up the graph the more forgiving the iron vs it's blade size in mm.

MMC looks quite a bit more forgiving than AP2/Apex Pro but the head would be more compact
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:34 PM

It's interesting that the three MP18s are all in a straight line, a linear relationship between head length and "forgiveness".  I'd expect the MMC to have be higher up the x-axis with all it's "technology".  That said, I don't entirely understand what they're basing their equation for sweet area on.  What I do like is how these irons compare to the AP2 and MP15, which I found to be plenty "forgiving".
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:04 PM

1200 bucks for 3-P, you guys think the street price will be like 1050?

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:23 PM

 the beest, on 08 August 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

 BearQ, on 08 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

Can someone explain the sweet area from the graph. What does it represent?

If I understand correctly, the higher up the graph the more forgiving the iron vs it's blade size in mm.

MMC looks quite a bit more forgiving than AP2/Apex Pro but the head would be more compact

That's what I get from the graph too.  Idk though, if that's true it looks like the JPX 900 tour is one awesome club.

Edited by kylesilk, 08 August 2017 - 02:24 PM.

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:24 PM

 the beest, on 08 August 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

 BearQ, on 08 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

Can someone explain the sweet area from the graph. What does it represent?

If I understand correctly, the higher up the graph the more forgiving the iron vs it's blade size in mm.

MMC looks quite a bit more forgiving than AP2/Apex Pro but the head would be more compact
hmm would mean JPX900 Tour is most forgiving? Wouldnt think so

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:25 PM

 BottleCap, on 08 August 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

1200 bucks for 3-P, you guys think the street price will be like 1050?

That would be my guess - right around there.
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:31 PM

 Chunk777, on 08 August 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

 the beest, on 08 August 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

 BearQ, on 08 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

Can someone explain the sweet area from the graph. What does it represent?

If I understand correctly, the higher up the graph the more forgiving the iron vs it's blade size in mm.

MMC looks quite a bit more forgiving than AP2/Apex Pro but the head would be more compact
hmm would mean JPX900 Tour is most forgiving? Wouldnt think so

I agree, wouldn't think the 900's were the most forgiving!  The chart tells me I need to stick with my z565's!  I want a set, but I feel like I need the mmc as opposed to the sc!  Of course no lefty in the mmc!

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:32 PM

Is the graph showing the mp-18 more forgiving than my mp-64s?


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Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:59 PM

This was taken from Mizuno site

Screen Shot 2017-08-08 at 2.55.35 PM.png

Numbers aren't mine, neither are either of the charts.  I just happened to combine the info and posted.

Edited by izzi, 08 August 2017 - 03:38 PM.

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:08 PM

So it basically says the JPX  900 tour is more forgiving than a 716 AP2.  What's everyone opinion?  Do I have it right??
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:18 PM

 izzi, on 08 August 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

This was taken from Mizuno site

Screen Shot 2017-08-08 at 2.55.35 PM.png

and the main chart was taken from another site.  I just added the JPX 900 tour to the new chart.  You can see the numbers along the axis's all match up.
Thanks Ive hit JPX 900 Tour, Apex Pro, and S55s. Would say the JPX is the least forgiving of the 3

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:21 PM

Just passing the info along. Glad you’ve hit them and feel differently.
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:23 PM

 kylesilk, on 08 August 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

So it basically says the JPX  900 tour is more forgiving than a 716 AP2.  What's everyone opinion?  Do I have it right??

I owned a set of 900T, and I call BS.

My MP5's were easily more forgiving than the 900T.

 izzi, on 08 August 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

Just passing the info along. Glad you've hit them and feel differently.

nothing against you, or the chart, thanks for sharing.

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:47 PM

Mizuno MP irons aren't rated as very forgiving on Malby's site because they are a bit too heel biased. Ditto the JPX 900 tour. The MOI typically isn't that high either.  

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 04:29 PM

 Bobalew, on 08 August 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

Is the graph showing the mp-18 more forgiving than my mp-64s?
When I played the 64s, book ended by 69s and 4s, I found them to be no more forgiving than the 69s, and maybe a hair more forgiving than the 4s.  Great clubs, but definitely not forgiving.
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 06:46 PM

Beautiful irons. The thing I never liked about Mizuno irons was the chrome finish. These are stunning.
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 07:52 PM

 Warrick, on 08 August 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

 kylesilk, on 08 August 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

So it basically says the JPX  900 tour is more forgiving than a 716 AP2.  What's everyone opinion?  Do I have it right??

I owned a set of 900T, and I call BS.

My MP5's were easily more forgiving than the 900T.

 izzi, on 08 August 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

Just passing the info along. Glad you've hit them and feel differently.

nothing against you, or the chart, thanks for sharing.


I agree, mp5's much more forgiving than the tours.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 06:44 AM

Those MP-18 Blades look sweet.......


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Posted 09 August 2017 - 08:36 AM

 buzlin, on 08 August 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

 Bobalew, on 08 August 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

Is the graph showing the mp-18 more forgiving than my mp-64s?
When I played the 64s, book ended by 69s and 4s, I found them to be no more forgiving than the 69s, and maybe a hair more forgiving than the 4s.  Great clubs, but definitely not forgiving.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 09:59 AM

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 10:30 AM

Like everyone else, I find the graph marketing BS. I wish it was a bit more realistic.. I was really sold on mp18

Regardless, I'm getting one to try on day1 !!!

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 10:44 AM

It seems to me, just from photos, that the SC has a deeper cavity and more perimeter weighting than the 900 Tours in a similar head size. That should technically make it more "forgiving".
Also, I like that the head size is smaller than the MP 5s. I preordered the 5's on the marketing  hype that they were the "MP32 on steroids" (they weren't even in the same league as the best iron EVER). The 5s just seemed really big and almost clunky when I got them. Sold them after 2 rounds.

Edited by Axman55, 09 August 2017 - 09:50 PM.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:33 PM

 izzi, on 08 August 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

Y-axis Sweet Area
X-axis Head Length

Sweet Area = [(MOI)(Toe,Heel) x (MOI)(Up, Down) x Pi] / 106  <---From Mizuno

mizuno-sweet-area-chart.jpg

That means that the MP 5 should be right where the MP 64 is, correct?

Edited by Bdmac79, 09 August 2017 - 02:33 PM.

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