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I took care of a nemesis hole in a big way today!


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#1 Thug Hunter

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:01 PM

So I have played this course a handful of times recently and hole #11, which is a 502 yard par 5.  The hole dog legs hard left (90º) at 200 yards from the tee. Cutting the corner is doable, but I typically hit the ball left to right and don't really have a draw in my game anymore.  The last 6-7 times I've played, I tee off with a 4 iron to cut a little bit of the corner and it leaves me 270ish.  I've only parred this hole once before, the last round I played here.  It's a hole that just doesn't set up well for me at all.  

So today my approach was "f it", I'm gonna cut the corner with my 4 wood.  The trees guarding the corner are too tall for a driver.  I hit my 4 wood exactly where I wanted, drove to my ball and was sitting dead center with 208 yards to the flag.  It's uphill, , green slopes pretty severe back to front, but leaks left and right on the edges.  The wind was calm, weather was a slight drizzle and conditions soft for Texas.  I hit my hybrid perfect and it started leaking just a tad to the right of the flag, which was sitting 12-15' deep and 12'-15' from the right fringe.  It landed on the first cut of the fringe and stopped dead, inches from the ball mark.  I decided to putt instead of chip.  I had about a 12" right to left putt from about 15'.  Dropped that b**** and made eagle!  

The only thing that sucks is I will probably never eagle that hole again.  I hit 3 perfect shots on a hole that's literally owned me in the past.

What's your story with overcoming your nemesis hole?

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:52 PM

And THIS is one of the reasons why we play the game, despite it's constant up and downs. Well done!
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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:29 PM

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:32 PM

Somewhat similar...my home course has a relatively short par 4 that is just a beast. The fairway is very narrow, with a water hazard on the left and the fairway slopes that way, and trees / OB right. Then, trees guard a good portion of the left side of the tee box. And the green is above you, and guarded by water short and left, sand left, right and long, and ob in the back (and not to mention it has a hump in the middle of it that makes putts really hard to make).

Anyway, I'm a lefty and my ball flight is a draw.  This hole doesn't set up well for a draw, primarily because of the narrow chute at the tee box guarded by trees and every other hazard imaginable.  I have tried every type of tee shot you can think of over the years on this hole, but it just really needs a baby fade with a 3 wood (and I don't really have that shot).

Recently though, I hit a driving iron into the fairway (bombed it), then hit a beautiful 9 iron to 3 feet and made the birdie!  This hole has wrecked so many good rounds for me, so that felt like an albatross. And the best part is I have played it a few times since and seem to have the baby fade working (at least for now). Parred it earlier today, for example.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:42 AM

The #1 handicap hole at my now "home" course is a long, into the wind (almost always) par 4 with a creek right through the middle.

The fairway sets up as a dogleg L, but it's more of a tee box angle. If you don't cut the imaginary corner it plays as a par 5. Can be a serious round killer.

It seems like a layup off the tee, leaving a demanding 2nd into a narrow but very long front to back green. I've recently realized that due to the wind, I can almost always hit driver, leaving myself a much more manageable approach. I'm 1 under over the last 5 rounds, which is a huge win for the #1 HC.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:35 AM

Curious OP why that would be a nemesis hole?  Your 4 iron leaves you 270.  Why not hit a 150 yard shot, then wedge it on?

#16, about 430 par 4 on my league course has bunkers that edge in about 1/2 of the fairway.  Bunkers are 220 from the tee.  I can't carry over them

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The narrow opening is only about 20 yards wide, and you really want to be coming in from the left side anyway (green slopes right to left)

I had a run a couple of years ago where I put it in those bunkers 4 or 5 times in a row, and they're deep enough where you cannot reach the green from there.

Now that my driver turns just a bit right, I just aim at the right bunker and skirt the edge of them.  Still not an idea approach but it's not a birdie hole either.  I have thought about going left of those bunkers and trying to hit it in the left rough and miss the other bunkers, but that would just add to the distance of the hole.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:40 AM

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 07:28 AM

View Postlarrybud, on 04 August 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

Curious OP why that would be a nemesis hole?  Your 4 iron leaves you 270.  Why not hit a 150 yard shot, then wedge it on?

#16, about 430 par 4 on my league course has bunkers that edge in about 1/2 of the fairway.  Bunkers are 220 from the tee.  I can't carry over them

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The narrow opening is only about 20 yards wide, and you really want to be coming in from the left side anyway (green slopes right to left)

I had a run a couple of years ago where I put it in those bunkers 4 or 5 times in a row, and they're deep enough where you cannot reach the green from there.

Now that my driver turns just a bit right, I just aim at the right bunker and skirt the edge of them.  Still not an idea approach but it's not a birdie hole either.  I have thought about going left of those bunkers and trying to hit it in the left rough and miss the other bunkers, but that would just add to the distance of the hole.

I've always played the hole conservative and would hit 4 iron off the tee. I try to hug the left side because the fairway leans left to right and the ball would typically roll right. That didn't always work out and I'd pull it a tad and hit a tree limb. Even if I hit middle with 4 iron, I'd lay up with a mid iron or smash a 4 wood to get close to the green and it just never turned out well.  It's pretty tight too.  The hole just had my number.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 07:41 AM

The hole that owns me is at a course about 40 min from me that I only play about 3/4 times per year. It owned me whenever we played the local high school matches against that school all through high school.

For the record it still owns me, but my wife defeated it her 2nd time ever playing.

Trees and water left, trees and sand down the right side. 440 yard par 4. The green is an absolute nightmare. If you are above the hole, forget about keeping it on the green.

So I take my now wife out to play for her second time ever. I hit driver and smoke middle (for once). Leave myself right at the 150 stake. Flush the second and somehow ended up long on the back rough. Hit a good chip that did what I wanted, but just kept on going off the front. Chip again and 2 putt for a double.

My wife, hits a great tee shot that goes about 150, then another great second thats about 150 again. 3rd is not great but its in play right at the 100 yard mark. Says, "give me the P" as she likes to call the PW. Then proceeds to hole out from 100 yards for par. Most incredible thing I have seen. She hit the ball so pure on that shot and it just hit and one hopped right in.

Needless to say, she conquered #5 that day and I haven't invited her back to play since.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 11:08 AM

View PostThug Hunter, on 04 August 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

I've always played the hole conservative and would hit 4 iron off the tee. I try to hug the left side because the fairway leans left to right and the ball would typically roll right. That didn't always work out and I'd pull it a tad and hit a tree limb. Even if I hit middle with 4 iron, I'd lay up with a mid iron or smash a 4 wood to get close to the green and it just never turned out well.  It's pretty tight too.  The hole just had my number.

That has gone to be one of the dumber designs I've seen!


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 11:14 AM

Agreed! It's not the norm but cutting the corner makes it interesting and this hole is the epitome of risk vs. reward. This course has a lot of risk vs reward, which is why I can shoot 78 one day and 88 the next.
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 11:30 AM

Reading the OP I first thought he was describing the 11th hole at Oak Grove in Harvard IL.  Amidst one of the most underrated courses in IL is the 11th hole as pictured.   It's a par 5 called "The Anaconda", not terribly long from the tips at 480 but it is a round killer frequently.  This rendering doesn't show all the trees that line the hole but anywhere off the fairway is gone.  Off the tee you have to hit the ball 175 to carry and not more than 200 yards, with a fairway that plays super fast. Go long and you're in the junk.  Same if you're left, right or short.

Generally, the second shot is a pitch shot about basically 80-90 yards unless you decide to take on a forced carry of 230ish. That pitch usually leaves a third shot of 175+.  

It's sad because we call Oak Grove the most beautiful 17 hole golf course with one really messed up designed hole.





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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:56 PM

Played my nemesis hole yesterday and put 3 in the water. I've actually done worse. Good job beating your nemesis hole.
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:27 PM

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 07:09 PM

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 August 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

Reading the OP I first thought he was describing the 11th hole at Oak Grove in Harvard IL.  Amidst one of the most underrated courses in IL is the 11th hole as pictured.   It's a par 5 called "The Anaconda", not terribly long from the tips at 480 but it is a round killer frequently.  This rendering doesn't show all the trees that line the hole but anywhere off the fairway is gone.  Off the tee you have to hit the ball 175 to carry and not more than 200 yards, with a fairway that plays super fast. Go long and you're in the junk.  Same if you're left, right or short.

Generally, the second shot is a pitch shot about basically 80-90 yards unless you decide to take on a forced carry of 230ish. That pitch usually leaves a third shot of 175+.  

It's sad because we call Oak Grove the most beautiful 17 hole golf course with one really messed up designed hole.





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Geez, that hole looks like the devil himself designed it.

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 08:58 PM

#3 at my home course. 400 yards, two huge trees guard you from hitting a normal drive or 3 wood into the dogleg left. Trees and ob guard missing the fairway left. If you do the "smart thing" and hit a 3 iron to the right of the two big trees, there's a fairway bunker on the right edge of the fairway and another tree that overhangs the fairway, so you'll likely end up with a 200 yard shot that you need to fade 15-20 yards. In addition, there's water up the right hand side so you can't simply go over the trees into a normal driving distance. Bunkers left and short right, with water long and right. Green is 45yards long with a gigantic tier in the middle. I played the "smart" route for a long time here and probably averaged about a 5, until recently I've started hitting driver and trying to cut the corner with a huge high draw, trying to hit it 280+ past where the hazard runs out. Sounds outrageous but since trying this strategy I've walked away averaging 3.8. The only problem is, I've managed a perfect tee shot nearly every time, anything else and I'm in trouble, but until I fail with this strategy I will continue. Lining up the driver with ob left and water right trying to carry it 280+ over the dogleg isn't for the feint of heart!!
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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:13 PM

I had visions of a story involving a chainsaw and a nighttime visit to the golf course.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 12:33 PM

Nice work!

Holes 11-14 at my course are brutal.  11 is a 185 uphill par three.  12 is a 460 par 4 that you can't hit drive because of a stream so you are always 210-230 out on your second.  13, is a par 5 (which isn't that bad unless your so fired up from 11 and 12).  14 is a tough driving hole with a tough green.  

I had a bunch of 34-36 on the front then would shoot 39-43 on the back.  I don't know what clicked but over my last two weeks I have been getting the better of the back side.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 01:33 PM

View PostThug Hunter, on 04 August 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 August 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

Reading the OP I first thought he was describing the 11th hole at Oak Grove in Harvard IL.  Amidst one of the most underrated courses in IL is the 11th hole as pictured.   It's a par 5 called "The Anaconda", not terribly long from the tips at 480 but it is a round killer frequently.  This rendering doesn't show all the trees that line the hole but anywhere off the fairway is gone.  Off the tee you have to hit the ball 175 to carry and not more than 200 yards, with a fairway that plays super fast. Go long and you're in the junk.  Same if you're left, right or short.

Generally, the second shot is a pitch shot about basically 80-90 yards unless you decide to take on a forced carry of 230ish. That pitch usually leaves a third shot of 175+.  

It's sad because we call Oak Grove the most beautiful 17 hole golf course with one really messed up designed hole.





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Geez, that hole looks like the devil himself designed it.
That maybe the worst designed hole I've ever seen.  You can't have a hole where you lay up two shots (185 & 90 yards) and leave a 175 yard shot to the green or force a carry that only GOLFWRX'ers can make.  I'd be ready to just pick up my ball and go to the next hole.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:11 AM

My nemesis hole is a 630 yard par 5 that is 53 feet uphill with (usually) a blind third shot to a green that is wide but not deep. There is no way to 'take care' of this hole if you play from the 'proper' tees for your driver/iron distance. You just hang on and try not to put up a big number.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 10:52 AM

Nice one OP!

My nemesis hole (well, half the time anyway) is the 18th at The Ranch here in Edmonton. Par 4, split fairway with 2 sets of tee boxes dictating the fairway you have to play - The reason I say half the time is that if the tees are placed over on the left box it's a piece of cake hole, mash driver, flip wedge to below the hole and a par most of the time unless you really mess it up and hook it in the water or push it in the trees.

Anyway, the nemesis part of this hole is when the tees are placed over on the right boxes forcing you to play the left fairway. Super narrow chute to hit out of, with water right and trees the whole way up the left with a fairway that gets tighter the further up you hit. The whole fairway is sloped towards the water and if you try to get closer to the water to give yourself a shorter shot into the green you might be blocked by the reeds at the edge of the water. I've hit everything from 6 iron to 3 wood on this hole and the shortest shot I've ever had in was 175 off a downhill lie over water, to a green where if you're above the hole it's almost guaranteed to be a 3 putt. I hit a draw 80% of the time (the other 20 is a push or a hook) so this hole isn't made for me anyway, unless you hang it out over the water and draw it back to the fairway which is definitely not a shot for the faint of heart haha.

So back to the point of this thread, the only time I've ever made a birdie on this hole from the right tees was with a 5 iron to the middle of the fairway that somehow caught a flat spot, a 6 iron that missed the green short right, and then I chipped in. So definitely not conquered, and if I'm walking off this hole with a bogey from these tees I'm very happy :P

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 06:18 PM

OP, what course is that? Looks like one of the goat tracks out by the lake with absolutely zero reasonable width.
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#23 sheppy335

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:23 PM

BullDozer, enough said!

Unfortunately my nemesis hole is still out there laughing at me.

Edited by sheppy335, 12 October 2017 - 02:23 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 01:44 AM

544 yard Par 5 that dog legs right and is uphill the entire way and red staked the entire length on the right hand side. For some reason no matter where I aim there is a magnet in the trees on the right side of the fairway that sucks my ball into the hazard. The green has a ridiculous back to front slope with left/right undulations. I have gotten a 10 more than once on this hole. Friday I finally put a drive square in the middle of the fairway, a 3 iron second shot 130 yds away in the middle of the fairway, PW 8 foot below the cup, and made my birdie. The randoms I was with did not fully understand the sense of conquest I felt. Today I made par. It seems I have finally broken the hole.

Now that par 3 on the front that I never seem to get a GIR.......
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:04 AM

There's a hole at a course I play a few times a year that's identical to that.

It's an old course and the tree's are mature and tall, with no hopes of cutting the corner. Every now and again I'll just say f- it and throw a hook out there with a 3i or hybrid and see how it goes. If you don't do that, you're looking at 270-300 in. When you break the numbers down, it's a 9i-pw, but there's something demoralizing about not getting within a few hundred yards of a hole that makes you want to push it more than you really need to, or should. Even better is that there's a creek about 50 yards short of the green.

That's not my nemesis hole though. I just hate it. lol.

My nemesis is #10 at my home course. It's a 450+ yard par 4 that always plays into the wind. the hole is slightly shaped right to left with trees hugging the left side, and a large trap spanning from about 240-260 on the right.
Even better: Starting at 220-ish to 275 (from the tee), it's up hill, so even if you give it a decent poke, you can hit right into that hill and it'll just kill the ball. You're probably best off just hitting something low to 220 and trying to run it up the hill. I've played the hole 100 times and only been within 150 2-3 times, on the days there isn't wind into your face, and I've only seen a few other people do the same. Then, to top it all off, there's a 60' tree on the left center of the fairway about 40 yards out from the center of the green, so if you're on the left center of the fairway, you're kinda blocked out if you're not within a range that you're going full carry into the green, which most people aren't hitting towering long irons from 200 yards.. I know I'm happy when I can do that any ways lol.

Last time I was there, I just went dead center of the fairway. Left to right for me is a cut, and a cut into the wind means it's not going anywhere, so I was left with 208 in and I hit a 3i on a frozen rope to 3', trusting that if I hit it well, I'd get it to stop. It was the best long iron I've ever hit. Right upon contact, my playing partner and I both said "ohhh yeah" right at the exact same time.

Somehow this hole rates to the number 4 handicap hole at the course, and after league play, I've seen very few pars. Every other hole is easily par-able if you hit the ball well enough and don't hit any bad shots, but the 450+ par doesn't leave any room for a miss. It's over 420 from the forward tee's too.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:47 AM

my nemesis holes and also favorite holes are long par 3's. something about always gets me pumped up but I never do too well. A few rounds ago I stuck a perfect 4 iron approx 200 yards below the hole about 25 feet. sunk the birdie and did the victory dance.

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