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#871 raynorfan1

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:08 PM

View Postknock it close, on 05 February 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

It will be interesting to see what comes out RE: Butler, everyone blaming Bill for having too big of an ego, I mean fair maybe but I haven't heard too many people blaming Butler, like c'mon man you've been a Pat for a while now, you know Bill doesn't screw around, man up one time on super bowl week.

It will be fascinating to see what it is when it comes out. Belichick said that it wasn't a discipline issue, and when he goes so far as to comment on something, he's honest to a fault. If he doesn't want to answer a question, he's good at "no commenting" it. The amazing thing is that there's a very good chance that the decision cost them the game, it was apparent in the flow of the game, and Bill held firm.

There was a weird element of vindictiveness to it. He dresses the guy. He tells him - literally - seconds before kickoff that he's not going to play. He plays him for one snap on special teams, either to prove that he's not injured, or more likely, to satisfy some weird contract/CBA clause.

As a Pats fan, it was disappointing, because there's no way you're watching that game and thinking that Malcolm Butler isn't an upgrade to the guys on the field (minus Gilmore, who had a great game). OTOH it did signal that our greatest fear over the past month - that Belichick is going to retire - was off the table.

My guess is that there was something about Butler's preparation this week that pissed off Belichick / Patricia. Either they didn't feel like he put the work in, or didn't feel like he was doing what he was supposed to (in a way that was not, per se, against team rules). I have a feeling that if the Patriots won, we'd know the whole story by now...but it's going to take some time to leak it out of Fort Foxboro under these circumstances...


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:54 PM

Was sad to see that Brady didn't have the balls to shake Foles' hand after the game. I thought it was a mistake until I read all the headlines. He may be the GOAT, but he is a terrible loser.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 07:57 PM

McDaniels decides to stay with the Pats. Does this mean Evil Bill is on the way out?

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:00 PM

Would not shock me if Kraft pushes Bill out over the Butler thing.

I don’t think it will happen, but there’s a lot going on over at patriot place these days...

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:12 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 06 February 2018 - 08:00 PM, said:

Would not shock me if Kraft pushes Bill out over the Butler thing.

I don't think it will happen, but there's a lot going on over at patriot place these days...

Either that, or a McDaniels got a "head coach in waiting" promise plus a big raise.

edit: ESPN says McDaniels got more money and made reference to other boring stuff like family, but no to Bill being on his way out.
Too bad, because that would have been way more fun.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:22 PM

Let me add how the Eagle's kicker is getting overlooked I feel. He's a rookie and it's the biggest game on earth.
He nails three Field Goals down the middle. Impressive.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:41 PM

View PostJerseyBoy, on 05 February 2018 - 08:54 PM, said:

Was sad to see that Brady didn't have the balls to shake Foles' hand after the game. I thought it was a mistake until I read all the headlines. He may be the GOAT, but he is a terrible loser.
Think you might want to read a little more about that. Was a couple pics of him congrats Philly players, on and off field. It was a zoo after game and Foles was relatively quickly taken to podium to get MVP.

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Let me add how the Eagle's kicker is getting overlooked I feel. He's a rookie and it's the biggest game on earth.
He nails three Field Goals down the middle. Impressive.
I concur that kicker was serious money.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 01:05 PM

Gronk retiring seems to actually have some legs to it
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 01:14 PM

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:05 PM, said:

Gronk retiring seems to actually have some legs to it

Wouldn’t surprise me. He’s sitting on $60M+ in cash and two super bowl rings. Adjusting for injury potential, why would he keep playing?

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 01:17 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 08 February 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:05 PM, said:

Gronk retiring seems to actually have some legs to it

Wouldn't surprise me. He's sitting on $60M+ in cash and two super bowl rings. Adjusting for injury potential, why would he keep playing?
Plus Gronks one of the few guys in the league that could pull in a boat load of cash in retirement.

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 01:37 PM

Jimmy G got paid, my goodness.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 02:04 PM

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

Jimmy G got paid, my goodness.

These are the moments that Patriots fans should appreciate Tom Brady most: his cap hit in 2017 was $14M...Jimmy's will be almost double that next year ($27.5M). $14 million buys a lot of talent in the NFL. When your #1 guy is getting paid that much, it's basically kicking the second best player off your team.

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 08 February 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

Jimmy G got paid, my goodness.

These are the moments that Patriots fans should appreciate Tom Brady most: his cap hit in 2017 was $14M...Jimmy's will be almost double that next year ($27.5M). $14 million buys a lot of talent in the NFL. When your #1 guy is getting paid that much, it's basically kicking the second best player off your team.
True but it helps alot that Gisele is worth more than Tom, I don't think any other NFL player has close to that same luxury.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 02:13 PM

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 08 February 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

Jimmy G got paid, my goodness.

These are the moments that Patriots fans should appreciate Tom Brady most: his cap hit in 2017 was $14M...Jimmy's will be almost double that next year ($27.5M). $14 million buys a lot of talent in the NFL. When your #1 guy is getting paid that much, it's basically kicking the second best player off your team.
True but it helps alot that Gisele is worth more than Tom, I don't think any other NFL player has close to that same luxury.

Eh, I think that's overplayed. The difference between making $10M a year and $20M a year over a period of time is mathematically significant, but not that different in the real world. And Brady has been on this program since way before he and Gisele were an item.

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 09:52 PM

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 08 February 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:05 PM, said:

Gronk retiring seems to actually have some legs to it

Wouldn't surprise me. He's sitting on $60M+ in cash and two super bowl rings. Adjusting for injury potential, why would he keep playing?
Plus Gronks one of the few guys in the league that could pull in a boat load of cash in retirement.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 11:59 PM

View PostQqq123xx, on 08 February 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 08 February 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

View Postknock it close, on 08 February 2018 - 01:05 PM, said:

Gronk retiring seems to actually have some legs to it

Wouldn't surprise me. He's sitting on $60M+ in cash and two super bowl rings. Adjusting for injury potential, why would he keep playing?
Plus Gronks one of the few guys in the league that could pull in a boat load of cash in retirement.
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 07:48 AM

A friend of mine who is die hard NFL made me realize how bad it is for over paying qbs...
Eagles- Wentz rookie deal. Foles back up deal.
Pats- Brady takes a cut like noted earlier.
Vikings-Keemun was cheap, Bradford and Bridgewater pretty cheap I think
Titans- Mariota rookie deal
Jaguars- Bortles is cheap
Rams- Goff still rookie contract



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 08:02 AM

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 08:08 AM

View Postdevinh821, on 09 February 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

A friend of mine who is die hard NFL made me realize how bad it is for over paying qbs...

Yup. You’ve got one guy eating ~15% of the salary cap, it really impacts the other 52 guys.

The $15M delta between average pay and high pay is potentially two star players.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:22 PM

Classic NFL contract. The cap hit is only like $13M in 2018 and $17M in 2019...and north of $40M in 2022, when they’ll either restructure if he’s still around.

Not that bad a deal.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:01 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 09 February 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

Classic NFL contract. The cap hit is only like $13M in 2018 and $17M in 2019...and north of $40M in 2022, when they'll either restructure if he's still around.

Not that bad a deal.

Paarag Marathe the 49ers CSO/EVP is one of the best in the business at understanding and managing the salary cap, not surprising to me that he worked the deal in such a way that both parties benefit but the 49ers have a backdoor workaround from the cap hit.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:47 PM

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:44 PM

View Postdevinh821, on 09 February 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

A friend of mine who is die hard NFL made me realize how bad it is for over paying qbs...
Eagles- Wentz rookie deal. Foles back up deal.
Pats- Brady takes a cut like noted earlier.
Vikings-Keemun was cheap, Bradford and Bridgewater pretty cheap I think
Titans- Mariota rookie deal
Jaguars- Bortles is cheap
Rams- Goff still rookie contract

And this is why the Cowboys are screwed.... well, one of the many reasons, but Romo cost them a lot.. Yeah he set some records, but never won a damn thing!
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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

Charles Haley spitting out facts about Dallas! Love it! They are soft. Garrett is so soft they can't put him on the shelf to sale. Parcells or someone of his nature needs to come back and run things

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:32 PM

not going to change with that ownership. the ginger isn't even a coach. he's a puppet and a YES man. Jerry is coaching the team.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 08:09 PM

Gah if that's not the truth! Just once I wanna see a stink eye to a player or him get fired up after our defense gives up 5 consecutive 75 years drives.

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 09:16 AM

DA Bears.... 2018 is out year!

then 2019 and go back to back!

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 10:46 PM

Here is the deal with the New England Patriots.  I am guessing Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick had a big falling out over the Jimmy G vs Tom Brady scenario with Brady and his health guru always around, Brady and his TV show, Brady and his book, becoming a bit bothersome not to mention healthy or not the Patriots...ie Belichick might have actually wanted to trade Brady over Garopollo.  At the beginning of the year, They had Brady, Jimmy G, Jacoby Brissett.  Talk about your Montana to Steve Young scenario!  Favre to Rodgers etc.  But the owner has a big boner for Tom Brady.  The owner overrides the great mind of Bill Belichick and trades Brissett for a bag of peanuts and Garoppolo for a second-round pick????
Belichick knew he had his guy just waiting for Brady to retire.  He wasn't going to retire so Belichick was probably going to wait another year and trade him in the offseason.  Brady knows something is not right so he goes to Daddy Kraft and says trade Jimmy G...watch this video and it all makes sense
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Posted 06 March 2018 - 12:36 AM

I don't think its that nuanced. When you have 3 of the best to ever do it in their respective fields together for almost 20 years there's going to be some times when ego gets in the way

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