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#1 Charlotte Golfer

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 01:22 PM

Could somebody please explain to me the difference between Dynamic Gold S300 shafts vs. S400 shafts?  Is the S400 moderately stiffer than the S300?  I ask because I currently play S300 shafts in my irons, and they're not quite stiff enough.  I fear the X100 shafts, however, will be too stiff.  I've been told to try S400 shafts, but I don't know anyone who plays them currently.  I'd be most appreciative for any insight or comments.  Thanks.


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Posted 24 March 2008 - 01:36 PM

Same as the S300s, except they are a heavier shaft.  Nike uses the S400 as a stock shaft in their Forged Blades and Titleist used it for their stock shaft in the T Stamped 681s.  Great shaft and produce a little lower ball flight than the S300s.  Actually thinking of ordering my next set of Titleists with this shaft over the S300.  The X100 is a little too much for me as well.

Edited by twgolf, 24 March 2008 - 01:41 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 01:41 PM

played them in my mp-37s they are on the heavy side and are noticeably stiffer than the s300 i liked them, had a bit of a low flight for me though :rolleyes: sounds like a good option for what your looking for though

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 01:45 PM

View Posttwgolf, on Mar 24 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

Same as the S300s, except they are a heavier shaft. Nike uses the S400 as a stock shaft in their Forged Blades and Titleist used it for their stock shaft in the T Stamped 681s. Great shaft and produce a little lower ball flight than the S300s. Actually thinking of ordering my next set of Titleists with this shaft over the S300. The X100 is a little too much for me as well.


Could soft step the X100's! Yes? :rolleyes: Long tapered irons
X100 / X200 / X300
S200 / S300 / S400
R200 / R300 / R400
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Low hope this works okay!

Edited by blade_man, 24 March 2008 - 02:06 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2008 - 01:46 PM

mainly a weight difference....
2-4 grams depending if it's taper or parallel.

As for stiffness, I've never sen cpm figures...but would imagine it to be very minimal.
Unless your club builder already weight sorts their shafts....you could very well have a S400 shaft already with a S300 label.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 07:46 PM

Dynamic shafts are NOT frequency sorted, so depending on where the extra weight is, S300 shafts can be stiffer than S400 shafts when you measure butt frequency.

The S400 is NOT a manufactured shaft, it's sorted out of the S300 production run from shafts that are too heavy to meet the S300 spec. S200 shafts are the same thing on the lower end of the weight scale - shafts that do not make the S300 spec on the low side become S200s.

Since they are not a manufactured shaft but are binned out of S300 production runs, I doubt very much ANY OEM uses them as their stock shaft in any set.  Availability will be based on how tight the manufacturing spec for the S300 production run stays and not an actual production run of S400 shafts.

This information comes direct from True Temper while there on a factory tour several years ago.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 08:54 PM

does TT sell them cheaper to OEM 's   to put in wedges???

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 09:35 PM

I dont see any difference in the S300 vs S400 other then a very very slight weight difference.  Stiffness is the same.  You might look at softstepping X100's twice and that might be what you need.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 09:56 PM

Nike did in fact use S400s as the stock shaft on Nike Blades in previous years (i've regripped a couple of sets out of the box and butt markings indicated S400s).  the current shaft specs on the website state the DGs available in X100, S300 and R300 so they may have changed...but if so, recently.

regarding S300 versus S400, etc...

from TT FAQ:  
http://www.truetempe.../golf/faq.asp#c

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What is sub-flex and what is the difference between the sub-flexes?

Sub-flex is the relative stiffness of a shaft measured to a finer degree within a flex category. That is why you'll see flex designations like R200, R300, R400, etc. Weight is the major difference -- 200 is lighter, 400 is heavier. R300, S300, X100 are the standard flexes. About 3 grams is the actual weight difference. For example an R200 may play a little more flexible than the R300 and the R400 may play a little stiffer than the R300 only because of the weight.

Edited by drpino, 24 March 2008 - 09:57 PM.

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Posted 25 March 2008 - 06:30 AM

instead of buying new shaft tip trim them 1/4 to 3/8 in


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