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#1 cwglum

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 07:27 AM

I've been back and forth with carrying and the clic gear this season.  My arms are more relaxed hanging down in a natural position while carrying vs. always up on the handle pushing the cart.

Also feels like any extra tax I'm saving on my back is just transferred to my hamstrings to push the cart.

Anyone else ditch the cart and go back to carrying?


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 02:45 PM

I find that it's important to stand really close behind a push cart and let your hands on the handles be right down in front of you. Extending the arms out away from the body gets really tiring.

But for my part, I finally just bit the bullet and got a Motocaddie S1. Should have done years ago, it's great.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:20 AM

If it's a really flat course I'll take the pushcart.  But I've found on a course that's hilly it's easier just to carry a lightweight bag.

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:05 PM

I did the clicgear thing from 2011-2014. Got a light carry bag and I like it a lot more.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:29 PM

Last season I alternated 30% carry, 50% push, 20% ride... this season I've switched clubs and I'm probably 85% ride, 10% push, 5% carry.  Regardless, I use the same cart bag and clubs for riding/pushing and have a separate/backup stand bag for carrying.  I've also experimented with going minimalist (7 clubs) when walking but currently have a full-set in the backup/walking bag.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:34 PM

I've gone back to carrying. I like to be able to walk wherever. But I've also gone to a more minimalist set. 9 clubs is about the break point. More clubs and I use the push cart, less and it is carry...
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:42 PM

I have never used a push cart.. based on your complaints with the push cart you may find your self having problems with carrying... as far as Tax on hamstrings instead of back

You have to set your bag down and pick it up every shot and the comfort you get from your arms hanging down will just be a trade off for your shoulders..

Sounds like you have experience doing both must be a reason you stop carrying and went to push cart... Maybe do what the post above says alternate every other round...

With all that said I have never used a push cart for some reason just couldnt make my self do it and never thought carrying was so bad I needed to look for an alternative... Carry seems just simple and natural pull carts seem like a pain in the a$$ and cumbersome...Then again I use a caddie or a cart most of the time now lol... caddie is the best option if its an option :)

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:43 PM

I go back and forth when not riding, between my cart and carry.  I have found lately that I only like to carry if I have 10 or less clubs.  Anything more than that and I get tired by hole 15 and I definitely feel it on my back for the next day or so.  I do get your point about pushing the cart however, as at times, I find it is more annoying than anything vs walking with your arms free.

I really enjoy walking vs riding a cart, so I may look in to an electric cart.  I really like the idea of walking freely, probably the closest thing to playing with a caddie.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:08 PM

My legs and arms are strong.   My back is surgically repaired.  

Can count on one hand the number of times I've used a push/pull cart in the last 20 years.  

Probably should get one.  

But really, I'll probably just rent a power cart and say heck wth it. :)
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Posted 29 July 2017 - 09:31 AM

On the Clicgear 3.5+ there is an accessory mounts right on the middle of the handle bars that allows you to push and turn the cart with one hand, so you can walk and have one arm swinging to help with the momentum in your walk, and you can alternate right and left arms to switch it up.  

Tried this out on Thursday and I think it is a must have component.  The only downside is you can't use the steering knob at the same time you have the umbrella mount.

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Posted 29 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

I carried for years and noticed a fatigue in the end of rounds that affected my scores. I was pretty fit at the time, but carrying a bag filled with metal sticks will fatigue the muscles responsible for a good repeatable golf swing more than necessary. I switched to a push cart and almost immediately saw a small drop in scores due to fewer mistakes in the last 4-6 holes. I will still carry a quick 9 when I have the chance, but years of taking care of golfers who've carried (the ergos of a golf bag carry really suck) have convinced me to stick with the push cart.
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Posted 29 July 2017 - 10:49 AM

There is research somewhere, quoted to me, that shows a lower score average for those using a push cart vs carrying or riding in a cart.

I carry or cart, but I am toying with getting a push cart.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 12:12 AM

After 5 years of only using a push cart, I went back to walking in 2013. The experiment lasted less than a month. My scores were better when using the push cart, my body felt better when using a push cart, and my body felt better after using a push cart. Plus, during the first tournament round with the threat of poor weather, I regretted not having the cart after loading up my bag with an umbrella and rain gear. I don't see myself carrying again, unless there's some weird situation that requires it (e.g., a course that doesn't allow them and I don't have a caddy).

My home course has a lot of elevation changes also. Carrying is somewhat easier on those uphill climbs, but I perceive a fitness benefit when pushing the cart up the hills.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:47 AM

From the 1970's to the late 1990's, I used a pull cart, with a full kit and staff bag.  I ran into an original Jones from the 1970's at a yard sale for $2.  Cut the clubs to minimalist to carry, and never looked back.

Max is seven clubs in a new original Jones, an easy carry.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:24 AM

I went from carrying to pushing a while back when I was having some physical issues. Once I was fit again, I went back to carrying. You can find arguments for and against each, but I definitely prefer carrying. For some reason, it seems more natural, and I am more into my round. I like that it is a better workout for me--particularly in the legs, and I like the freedom of walking anywhere at any time. YMMV.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:34 AM

I love to walk on any course, I have a clicgear as well, I have a few knee surgeries and one back surgery, I prefer the push cart, but just recently I started to carry my bag, love it/missed it, but I do feel more worn out after the round though...
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:49 AM

 Mr. Grumpy, on 29 July 2017 - 10:49 AM, said:

There is research somewhere, quoted to me, that shows a lower score average for those using a push cart vs carrying or riding in a cart.


Here is a synopsis of the "research" from the NYT in 2010.  I believe another study was done as well, but I can't seem to find that one

https://onpar.blogs....h-hole-debates/

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:23 PM

On a perfect fall day, carry. All other times - pushcart.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:15 PM

 medicoreMAgolfer, on 01 August 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

 Mr. Grumpy, on 29 July 2017 - 10:49 AM, said:

There is research somewhere, quoted to me, that shows a lower score average for those using a push cart vs carrying or riding in a cart.


Here is a synopsis of the "research" from the NYT in 2010.  I believe another study was done as well, but I can't seem to find that one

https://onpar.blogs....h-hole-debates/

That study creates more questions than it answers. The implication is that golfers get tired more quickly when carrying their bag (vs other modes) and that adversely affects their score. But carrying your bag only burns 3 more calories over nine holes than pushing (that itself is hard to believe, but I digress), so carrying really isn't that much more taxing, but if so, why does it cause scores to be higher than when pushing a cart. And why doesn't riding in a cart produce the best scores, since that is the least taxing.

I don't have any trouble believing that getting tired can make you play worse, but nothing in that article adds up.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:19 PM

I'll do both. Carry for a quick 9 in the am before work and push when it's going to be a little longer or 18. I hate riding, I feel like I can never get in the flow of things.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:06 PM

I'm on my second season with the push cart. A week or two ago I decided to carry for one round, and I really felt it in my feet and knees by the end of the round. The other big killer is constantly on and off the shoulders while waiting for others to hit. It kind of is a toss up there, pick it up a lot more frequently, or deal with added weight on the back and shoulders for longer periods. Either way, the cart won.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:07 PM

 Joe V., on 01 August 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

I'm on my second season with the push cart. A week or two ago I decided to carry for one round, and I really felt it in my feet and knees by the end of the round. The other big killer is constantly on and off the shoulders while waiting for others to hit. It kind of is a toss up there, pick it up a lot more frequently, or deal with added weight on the back and shoulders for longer periods. Either way, the cart won.

It's funny you mention the feet. I find that when I haven't been playing/walking/carrying for a while, when I do get play and carry, my feet are sore. That goes away after a round or two. I think the sore feet comes from muscle soreness, which goes away with a little exercise.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 09:18 PM

Probably true. I like carrying, as long as my body agrees to go along!

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 08:53 PM

I walk all my rounds and have been using a pull cart at the Club for the last 8 years. Just bought a carry bag (Sun Mountain H2NO Lite) and carried for 27 holes today. It's great! I am free to walk anywhere. Onto the tee box and set my clubs down, straight up onto the green and set the clubs down on the fringe. We'll see how my body feels tomorrow, but I'm used to carrying heavy things on my back.

I must say, the shoulder straps on he H2NO Lite are comically over-padded, which isn't ideal. All the great backpacks I've had have had minimally padded straps that are wide and contoured to fit the body. The H2NO straps are just overpadded straight blobs. I guess the golf industry is a bit behind the mountain industry.
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 05:14 AM

I'm not going back to carrying. It's not the weight, it's the unbalanced load, the repetitive twisting to get it on and off, the times when you hit a 40 yard pitch and only use one strap instead of putting in on all the way... those reasons just seem to point to back injuries down the road.

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 09:03 AM

Muddler, I'm in the same camp. Sold the cart and the heavy bag. Bought H2NO Ultralite and happily carrying. 14 clubs, handful of balls, and a couple misc items to keep the bag light. A rain jacket if it's going to rain otherwise it just sits in the trunk. No extra junk...

It's been a welcome change from lugging the cart around and pushing it all over the course. The EZ fit straps are excellent and the bag carries nearly horizontal resting on the lower part of my back. I would agree, the carrying "technology" is that of a TNF school bag from the 90s but it's sufficient. Mostly, enjoying the freedom of walking anywhere.

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 09:18 AM

I was hanging out after my round on Saturday, having lunch in the clubhouse dining room.

As much as I enjoy the freedom of slinging the bag on my shoulder and strolling down the fairway it was striking to note the difference on a humid 95F day between the bag-carriers and the trolley-pushers. Over the dozen or so groups I saw either walking off the 18th green or making the turn from 9th to 10th holes there were probably 20 guys with trolleys and 4-5 carrying their bags (the rest were in carts).

Every single one of the guys with a bag on his shoulders looked absolutely miserable. I'd bet if they could see a video of themselves, trudging sweaty and bent over like a overworked mule at the end of a long day of plowing, they'd plop their bags on a push cart next weekend. The difference was pretty remarkable. The most overheated, tired looking guy with a trolley looked happier than the fittest, least miserable looking bag-carrier.

Now these were most 40, 50, 60 year old paunchy weekend golfers. Probably a totally different story for an athletic 30-year-old. But still...
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:13 AM

 wkndhack, on 08 August 2017 - 05:14 AM, said:

I'm not going back to carrying. It's not the weight, it's the unbalanced load, the repetitive twisting to get it on and off, the times when you hit a 40 yard pitch and only use one strap instead of putting in on all the way... those reasons just seem to point to back injuries down the road.

Having carried my clubs for 36 holes now, I can say that a strong core is a definite advantage, as it is with most aspects of life. Keeping braced while picking up and putting-on the bag, and then having the stability to keep your back upright while carrying is a big advantage in he comfort and injury-prevention department.
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Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:16 AM

 Fiveten03, on 08 August 2017 - 09:03 AM, said:

Muddler, I'm in the same camp. Sold the cart and the heavy bag. Bought H2NO Ultralite and happily carrying. 14 clubs, handful of balls, and a couple misc items to keep the bag light. A rain jacket if it's going to rain otherwise it just sits in the trunk. No extra junk...

It's been a welcome change from lugging the cart around and pushing it all over the course. The EZ fit straps are excellent and the bag carries nearly horizontal resting on the lower part of my back. I would agree, the carrying "technology" is that of a TNF school bag from the 90s but it's sufficient. Mostly, enjoying the freedom of walking anywhere.

I don't know that I'm gonna carry all the time, but certainly for earlybird and after-work rounds. It's so much faster. I went out for 9 last night after work. Got to the course late and breezed through 9 in under 1h and 20min. And I wasn't hurrying. I pulled all the flags and went through my full putting routine and whatnot.

Playing a regular tee-time in a foursome I might get a pull-cart as I wouldn't finish any faster (due to course traffic).
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Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:57 PM

I'd consider using a pull cart, but my club treats them the same as golf carts and makes you wheel them on the paths inside of 75 yards and on all par 3's. CPO days it wouldn't make much sense.

Anybody else's club have this restriction?


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