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#31 Mike Jamieson

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 08:14 PM

 playa, on 11 July 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

Come to any major city in Australia. Housimg is expensive in Sydney and Melbourne, but the job market is good, decent courses can be found with yearly membership under $1500, and golf can be played year round (early tee times in summer). I live in the burbs of Sydney and pay $1000 a year for a decent course with great facilities less than 10 minutes from home.

Would love to go - what jobs for Americans w/ little skill and avg at golf?


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 08:24 PM

A number of people I've known have relocated to the Denver area and really love it.  They're scattered from Castle Rock to Boulder, but all seem to like the quality of life, availability of golf, proximity to the mountains, housing costs, school systems, entertainment, etc.  Also has good airline access to about anywhere, and a short flight back to CA.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 08:45 PM

If you don't mind humidity, Charleston SC where I live is pretty spectacular.  Housing is cheap (compared to CA), it's expensive for the south as is the cost of living but it's all relative here, it's dirt cheap compared to CT where I moved from.  Golf courses are abundant and playable all year round.  Food here is top notch, on par with Manhattan (not as much variety but the quality is phenomenal).  History and architecture are stunning here.  And did I mention the beaches?  And Kiawah Island just 25 min away?  Yeah.  It's a nice place for sure.  In fact, forget I said anything.  Don't come here.  It sucks.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 08:56 PM

I am a refugee from So Cal for 7 years now and I completely understand you wanting to leave. Most of your wish list is met in St George, although I'm not sure it's the best place to work as wages are lower than SLC. If you work for a national company and your salary isn't connected to the location than I can say everything you are looking for is here. If you need to be in a larger metro area SLC is fairly big, but if it were me I would choose to live somewhere in Utah County (Provo / Orem area) as I think the living conditions there are much better than SLC. I lived in Provo while going to school and enjoyed it. There is reliable train and light rail from Provo to SLC which makes commuting easy.

Taxes are less, housing is considerably less, and the quality of life here cannot be beat IMO.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 09:03 PM

 Richardcabeeza, on 11 July 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

 Thug Hunter, on 11 July 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

I second the don't move to Texas.  We don't need anymore liberal minded Californians here. Californians are moving away from California in record numbers because they fouled it up and now that they're here in Texas, they're trying to foul up our state as well.

I get the sentiment. However without knowing the OP personally, rude. I learned a long time ago that if I didn't want neighbors I had to buy the entire neighborhood. Since that isn't feasible, when they move in my wife makes them cookies, I go over and introduce myself, and hope for the best. Could this possibly be a better approach?

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 09:19 PM

 Clambake, on 11 July 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

A number of people I've known have relocated to the Denver area and really love it.  They're scattered from Castle Rock to Boulder, but all seem to like the quality of life, availability of golf, proximity to the mountains, housing costs, school systems, entertainment, etc.  Also has good airline access to about anywhere, and a short flight back to CA.

I know it's all relative to where you are coming from, but the Denver housing market is brutal right now.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 09:34 PM

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 09:59 PM

 RSinSG, on 11 July 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

I am a refugee from So Cal for 7 years now and I completely understand you wanting to leave. Most of your wish list is met in St George, although I'm not sure it's the best place to work as wages are lower than SLC. If you work for a national company and your salary isn't connected to the location than I can say everything you are looking for is here. If you need to be in a larger metro area SLC is fairly big, but if it were me I would choose to live somewhere in Utah County (Provo / Orem area) as I think the living conditions there are much better than SLC. I lived in Provo while going to school and enjoyed it. There is reliable train and light rail from Provo to SLC which makes commuting easy.

Taxes are less, housing is considerably less, and the quality of life here cannot be beat IMO.
   My brother who has lived everywhere over the last 25 years just bought a house in St George. He loves it, but he runs his consulting firm from home and has no children.  St. George seems a little high on price for the job market and gets a lot of older snow birds from what I understand, maybe that isn't entirely true.

    It's on the list of places though so we will be checking it out. :D
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:00 PM

 rblmp32, on 11 July 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

If you don't mind humidity, Charleston SC where I live is pretty spectacular.  Housing is cheap (compared to CA), it's expensive for the south as is the cost of living but it's all relative here, it's dirt cheap compared to CT where I moved from.  Golf courses are abundant and playable all year round.  Food here is top notch, on par with Manhattan (not as much variety but the quality is phenomenal).  History and architecture are stunning here.  And did I mention the beaches?  And Kiawah Island just 25 min away?  Yeah.  It's a nice place for sure.  In fact, forget I said anything.  Don't come here.  It sucks.

I'm in the midwest but I was also going to suggest Charleston so it's good hear to that someone who lives there likes it. I'm hoping to visit early next summer before the humidity kicks in. My understanding is that the South Carolina economy is doing quite well.

The whole stretch from Charleston to St. Simons Island, GA is pretty special.

And not to offend anyone but do not consider Illinois. The state is circling the drain in more ways than one.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:03 PM

 Richardcabeeza, on 11 July 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

 Thug Hunter, on 11 July 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

 Richardcabeeza, on 11 July 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

 Thug Hunter, on 11 July 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

I second the don't move to Texas.  We don't need anymore liberal minded Californians here. Californians are moving away from California in record numbers because they fouled it up and now that they're here in Texas, they're trying to foul up our state as well.

I get the sentiment. However without knowing the OP personally, rude. I learned a long time ago that if I didn't want neighbors I had to buy the entire neighborhood. Since that isn't feasible, when they move in my wife makes them cookies, I go over and introduce myself, and hope for the best. Could this possibly be a better approach?

No!

Lol! Again, sentiment understood. Can you afford the neighborhood of Texas? Yeah, me neither. Ha. I get that you guys have a good thing going there. But after all Alaska is at least three times your size, (ha?-don't get sensitive on me:)). I'm just saying before you slam the door shut on something you can't control, give it a chance. Maybe the cookies will be good, maybe they won't be. I'm partial to my wife's cookies. They're good. Maybe not the best but again I'm biased to enjoy them. Give those Cali cookies a shot man. They might suck, they might not. Even if they're the worst ever, you might as well enjoy them since there's not a damn thing you can do about them other than eat them with a smile or eat them with a frown.

Have a Texas sized evening, sir! :)
   Ehhhh, I understand where they are coming from, just as I don't want more people moving to California and squeezing me out of the place I have called home for 40 years, I get the fear of people coming in droves.

  Texas is a BIG place so I am sure there are places to consider and some to avoid.

  I do get a kick out of people who think California is all liberals.  Take away LA, SF BAY AREA, and SD it's really not. .Just that is where most of the people live and or come to from foreign countries.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:06 PM

 Break81, on 11 July 2017 - 06:50 PM, said:

 bigchucksr, on 11 July 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

I suggest looking at Idaho--especially the Boise/Meridian area.  Socially, politically, and culturally, living in Idaho is like living in the 50's with all the modern amenities to make things more efficient.
We are getting lots of California  cultural refugees here
  I have a childhood friend who recently moved to Star, ID and loves it. Very nice homes in the $250-$300K range.  He claims it doesn't get that cold in the winter as he thought but he only got there on the back end of last winter so maybe it varies by year.
The Boise area is much more temperate than most folks suspect--I believe most of the golf courses (and there are many) in that area are open and playable year round unlike in the part of Idaho I live in.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:07 PM

 BirdieRoll, on 11 July 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

 rblmp32, on 11 July 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

If you don't mind humidity, Charleston SC where I live is pretty spectacular.  Housing is cheap (compared to CA), it's expensive for the south as is the cost of living but it's all relative here, it's dirt cheap compared to CT where I moved from.  Golf courses are abundant and playable all year round.  Food here is top notch, on par with Manhattan (not as much variety but the quality is phenomenal).  History and architecture are stunning here.  And did I mention the beaches?  And Kiawah Island just 25 min away?  Yeah.  It's a nice place for sure.  In fact, forget I said anything.  Don't come here.  It sucks.

I'm in the midwest but I was also going to suggest Charleston so it's good hear to that someone who lives there likes it. I'm hoping to visit early next summer before the humidity kicks in. My understanding is that the South Carolina economy is doing quite well.

The whole stretch from Charleston to St. Simons Island, GA is pretty special.

And not to offend anyone but do not consider Illinois. The state is circling the drain in more ways than one.

Charleston is booming economically.  Especially IT, it's actually referred to as the Silicon Harbor due to the influx of IT jobs here.  And yeah, here down to that area of GA is referred to as the low country, and it's pretty awesome.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:10 PM

 Break81, on 11 July 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

 RSinSG, on 11 July 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

I am a refugee from So Cal for 7 years now and I completely understand you wanting to leave. Most of your wish list is met in St George, although I'm not sure it's the best place to work as wages are lower than SLC. If you work for a national company and your salary isn't connected to the location than I can say everything you are looking for is here. If you need to be in a larger metro area SLC is fairly big, but if it were me I would choose to live somewhere in Utah County (Provo / Orem area) as I think the living conditions there are much better than SLC. I lived in Provo while going to school and enjoyed it. There is reliable train and light rail from Provo to SLC which makes commuting easy.

Taxes are less, housing is considerably less, and the quality of life here cannot be beat IMO.
   My brother who has lived everywhere over the last 25 years just bought a house in St George. He loves it, but he runs his consulting firm from home and has no children.  St. George seems a little high on price for the job market and gets a lot of older snow birds from what I understand, maybe that isn't entirely true.

It's on the list of places though so we will be checking it out. :D
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:13 PM

Don't go anywhere.  Stay where you are.  Don't you realize how lucky you are?  Seriously, the grass isn't greener where you think it is.  Is this state messed up? Of course it is.  But dog gone it, so is every other state out there and the weather absolutely blows everywhere else but here.  SoCal has quite possibly the best weather from Jan-Dec in the entire world.  

You're moving for all  the wrong reasons.  You're moving because you want more.  You want less traffic, less taxes, better schools, a bigger house and property, etc.  The only place that exists that's fits your bill is Alaska and the last time I checked, you can't swing very well when grizzly bears are in your backswing.   And that's in the springtime!! And I haven't even mentioned the polar bears!!!!!!!  Again, don't you know how good you have it right now? Much better sitting in traffic on the 91 vs. scurrying down to the basement because Hurricane JonesScott is fast approaching.   You got it good son, reaaaaaaaaal gooooooooood.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:17 PM

I'll note a few cities I have lived in and the pros/cons

Cleveland - Very affordable and the public courses are better than average, but the climate is not great and it's Cleveland....

Chicago - Under no circumstances should anyone move to IL without family ties.  As it has been mentioned the state is broke and will have no choice but to jack up taxes in the next few decades.  Right now, taxes are relatively low, but there is no way they can stay that way as the state crumbles.

Seattle - The PNW is an amazing place with so much great nature.  However, Seattle is really expensive and it is going to get so much worse in the next few years with the population booming.  The golf is below average at best.  In Chicago there are so many decent public courses within 45 minutes (more than 100), but in Seattle they are much farther from the city and not as good.  Climate is very good though.

Milwaukee - I love this town.  Affordable with decent golf.  Frigid winters make it less than ideal if golf is a factor.

If I were targeting a new city, it would be Raleigh, NC.  The climate is very good, minus a couple humid months in the summer.  It's not too far from Pinehurst and the publics look decent around the city.  It is relatively affordable and the Triangle is a good spot for white collar jobs.


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:23 PM

 sharkiesj, on 11 July 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

Don't go anywhere.  Stay where you are.  Don't you realize how lucky you are?  Seriously, the grass isn't greener where you think it is.  Is this state messed up? Of course it is.  But dog gone it, so is every other state out there and the weather absolutely blows everywhere else but here.  SoCal has quite possibly the best weather from Jan-Dec in the entire world.  

You're moving for all  the wrong reasons.  You're moving because you want more.  You want less traffic, less taxes, better schools, a bigger house and property, etc.  The only place that exists that's fits your bill is Alaska and the last time I checked, you can't swing very well when grizzly bears are in your backswing.   And that's in the springtime!! And I haven't even mentioned the polar bears!!!!!!!  Again, don't you know how good you have it right now? Much better sitting in traffic on the 91 vs. scurrying down to the basement because Hurricane JonesScott is fast approaching.   You got it good son, reaaaaaaaaal gooooooooood.
   Well you make good points except it isn't about me at all. It's about my kids and seeing neighborhoods turn to s&it and schools that are crap are a huge factor.   Yeah I could move more inland to Eastvale or Corona only to be squeezed out in 10 years and then what? Hesperia , Victorville?  That's pure ghetto now.

I am spoiled with the weather but when everywhere you go to enjoy the weather is overcrowded, it's something I can sacrifice a couple months out of the year. Unless you can afford to live in $1.5M neighborhoods, it's not what it once was.

What I will miss?  Weather, Good Mexican food and going to lots of Anaheim Ducks games.  That being said there is an NHL arena pretty close to everywhere.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:59 PM

 bigchucksr, on 11 July 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

 Break81, on 11 July 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

 RSinSG, on 11 July 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

I am a refugee from So Cal for 7 years now and I completely understand you wanting to leave. Most of your wish list is met in St George, although I'm not sure it's the best place to work as wages are lower than SLC. If you work for a national company and your salary isn't connected to the location than I can say everything you are looking for is here. If you need to be in a larger metro area SLC is fairly big, but if it were me I would choose to live somewhere in Utah County (Provo / Orem area) as I think the living conditions there are much better than SLC. I lived in Provo while going to school and enjoyed it. There is reliable train and light rail from Provo to SLC which makes commuting easy.

Taxes are less, housing is considerably less, and the quality of life here cannot be beat IMO.
   My brother who has lived everywhere over the last 25 years just bought a house in St George. He loves it, but he runs his consulting firm from home and has no children.  St. George seems a little high on price for the job market and gets a lot of older snow birds from what I understand, maybe that isn't entirely true.

It's on the list of places though so we will be checking it out. :D
Once you check out the green fees in St. George and in neighboring Mesquite, Nevada, you'll probably have to give up on housing and food in order to play a couple of rounds a month.

City courses are around $30 with a cart. In the summer there are deals everywhere for $35 - $55 which include cart, range balls and lunch. Compared to Palm Springs where I lived for most of my life I consider these prices pretty good.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 11:21 PM

As an adult I've lived in the Midwest (Cincinnati and Lexington), SE (Jacksonville), West (Scottsdale*), NE (Manhattan*) and two foreign countries (Malaysia and Australia) for at least 14 months each. I've lived other places as well but they've been for 9-12 months so I'll skip them. . Based on your criteria I would rate my top 3 as Scottsdale, Sydney and Lexington. My personal rating is similar but I would put Manhattan ahead of Lexington if you ignore golf or move it down on the priority list.

I'm very lucky in that my job allows me to live anywhere I want and with a young child and a love of golf the easy choice is Scottsdale. So much so that even though it hasn't always been my primary residence over the last 20 years (post college) I've had a residence in Scottsdale continuously during that time that I went to as much as possible.  Sydney is really the only close second and everything else is less.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 12:40 AM

 Break81, on 11 July 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

 sharkiesj, on 11 July 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

Don't go anywhere.  Stay where you are.  Don't you realize how lucky you are?  Seriously, the grass isn't greener where you think it is.  Is this state messed up? Of course it is.  But dog gone it, so is every other state out there and the weather absolutely blows everywhere else but here.  SoCal has quite possibly the best weather from Jan-Dec in the entire world.  

You're moving for all  the wrong reasons.  You're moving because you want more.  You want less traffic, less taxes, better schools, a bigger house and property, etc.  The only place that exists that's fits your bill is Alaska and the last time I checked, you can't swing very well when grizzly bears are in your backswing.   And that's in the springtime!! And I haven't even mentioned the polar bears!!!!!!!  Again, don't you know how good you have it right now? Much better sitting in traffic on the 91 vs. scurrying down to the basement because Hurricane JonesScott is fast approaching.   You got it good son, reaaaaaaaaal gooooooooood.
   Well you make good points except it isn't about me at all. It's about my kids and seeing neighborhoods turn to s&it and schools that are crap are a huge factor.   Yeah I could move more inland to Eastvale or Corona only to be squeezed out in 10 years and then what? Hesperia , Victorville?  That's pure ghetto now.

    I am spoiled with the weather but when everywhere you go to enjoy the weather is overcrowded, it's something I can sacrifice a couple months out of the year. Unless you can afford to live in $1.5M neighborhoods, it's not what it once was.

     What I will miss?  Weather, Good Mexican food and going to lots of Anaheim Ducks games.  That being said there is an NHL arena pretty close to everywhere.

Schools in Corona are excellent.  Great city.  1 hour to Palm Springs, 1 hour to beach, 1 hour to mountains, 1 hour to supermarket (traffic..:)). J/k. Actually not really you know what I mean.  lol.   Temecula/Murrieta schools very very nice as well. High schools are some of the best in the state.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 02:21 AM

It's pretty good where I am but that'd be a big move for you :)

The weather in the south of UK is pretty good so I golf all year round. I have a choice of half a dozen golf courses within an hour's drive. I live in a small town that feels rural but I'm only an hour from London and Birmingham (not that I ever want to go anywhere near London). At the moment I drive past my golf club on my commute so in the summer I can pop in for 18 in the evenings.. Houses prices are a bit high especially for what you get but all in all it's pretty good for someone still working for a living.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:02 AM

I'll throw out two less thought of places. Kansas City and Albuquerque. Coming from California both may feel a little small depending on what you're used to. Phoenix or large Texas cities could be options too.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:33 AM

You said east coast not preferable but consider North Atlanta area. Great schools and many golf course options. I live in Milton/Alpharetta area and a Club Corp member. Many courses close by with great options for year round play. High tech businesses moving into our area, been in IT for 25+ years.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:01 AM

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You said east coast not preferable but consider North Atlanta area. Great schools and many golf course options. I live in Milton/Alpharetta area and a Club Corp member. Many courses close by with great options for year round play. High tech businesses moving into our area, been in IT for 25+ years.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:21 AM

 sharkiesj, on 11 July 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

You're moving for all  the wrong reasons.  You're moving because you want more.  You want less traffic, less taxes, better schools, a bigger house and property, etc.  The only place that exists that's fits your bill is Alaska and the last time I checked, you can't swing very well when grizzly bears are in your backswing.   And that's in the springtime!! And I haven't even mentioned the polar bears!!!!!!!  Again, don't you know how good you have it right now? Much better sitting in traffic on the 91 vs. scurrying down to the basement because Hurricane JonesScott is fast approaching.   You got it good son, reaaaaaaaaal gooooooooood.

Lets be honest though.  SoCal is stunning from a weather standpoint.  Nothing better in the USA.  But your traffic is horrid (at least in the more heavily populated areas).  Your taxes suck.  Your housing is stupid expensive. (I've been offered several jobs in SoCal and San Fran lately, so I've done the homework on cost of living and taxes compared to other areas in the US)  And you have these things where the whole frigging earth shakes and moves.  I'd rather deal with a hurricane than an earthquake any day, see we know when a hurricane is coming and can just evacuate and let your insurance sort out the mess if need be.  

My point is, alot of places fit the bill he's describing.  To me, it seems as though you have made the exact sort of compromises you're cautioning him against.  You put up with the crappy traffic, high taxes, high price of real estate, and earthquakes in exchange for amazing weather, great golf, great schools, etc.  No place is perfect.  You just have to find the right balance of what you want vs what a place offers.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:27 AM

Phoenix/Scottsdale is pretty hard to beat for what you are looking for.  I moved here from Columbus, Ohio almost a year ago and have fallen in love with it.  Weather is really hard to beat for 8 to 9 months of the year.  Golf courses are everywhere.  There are plenty of great places to live in the city and suburbs.  Schools in the Burbs are really good.  There is a great food scene with seemingly endless good to great local restaurants.  Lot of things to do here.  Good nightlife, great restaurants, lot of outdoor activities.  Golf can get pricey during spring training but other than it's not bad.

Cost of living is low.  It's actually pretty comparable to the Midwest (I think it's something like 8% higher cost of living than Columbus, Oh... which was considered dirt cheap by most).  Job market is also really solid.  Phoenix has grown to the 5th biggest city in the country and companies have been following.  More companies are moving here and some California based companies are taking a bigger presence here due to tax issue and costs with California.

We looked at moving to Texas... Phoenix had 3 major things over the cities in Texas we looked at that we liked a lot more than Texas:  1 - Traffic... Phoenix has almost no traffic.  There is some, like all cities, but it actually has less traffic than Columbus and most of the Midwest cities did.  Traffic in Houston.... good luck lol.... 2 - Phoenix is pretty (as long as you think desert-scape is pretty).  Phoenix is actually really pretty.  Drive no more than 15 minutes in any direction and you'll find a great hiking trail and you can really see how pretty it is.  Many homes have mountain views.  My home stares directly at Camelback Mountain.  You can't find that in Texas.  3 - The food scene.  We are foodies.  Phoenix has a crazy amount of options and has seemingly countless options in all cuisine types.  My parents always believe Phoenix was a bunch of Mexican restaurants and hotel restaurants.... Nope... not even close.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:34 AM

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:34 AM

 rblmp32, on 12 July 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

 sharkiesj, on 11 July 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

You're moving for all  the wrong reasons.  You're moving because you want more.  You want less traffic, less taxes, better schools, a bigger house and property, etc.  The only place that exists that's fits your bill is Alaska and the last time I checked, you can't swing very well when grizzly bears are in your backswing.   And that's in the springtime!! And I haven't even mentioned the polar bears!!!!!!!  Again, don't you know how good you have it right now? Much better sitting in traffic on the 91 vs. scurrying down to the basement because Hurricane JonesScott is fast approaching.   You got it good son, reaaaaaaaaal gooooooooood.

Lets be honest though.  SoCal is stunning from a weather standpoint.  Nothing better in the USA.  But your traffic is horrid (at least in the more heavily populated areas).  Your taxes suck.  Your housing is stupid expensive. (I've been offered several jobs in SoCal and San Fran lately, so I've done the homework on cost of living and taxes compared to other areas in the US)  And you have these things where the whole frigging earth shakes and moves.  I'd rather deal with a hurricane than an earthquake any day, see we know when a hurricane is coming and can just evacuate and let your insurance sort out the mess if need be.  

My point is, alot of places fit the bill he's describing.  To me, it seems as though you have made the exact sort of compromises you're cautioning him against.  You put up with the crappy traffic, high taxes, high price of real estate, and earthquakes in exchange for amazing weather, great golf, great schools, etc.  No place is perfect.  You just have to find the right balance of what you want vs what a place offers.

LOL! If you are going to use the threat of earthquakes, you might as well use the thread of buses to not live anywhere with roads or falling trees to not live anywhere near a forest ;) You're waaaaaay more likely to be hurt by those.

Forget the exact place the OP lives. Let's say it's Omaha instead of SoCal, I think Sharkie is making some great points about grass is greener and upping sticks to an unknown place. As you point out there is a balance to attain and maybe it's a lot closer (geographically speaking) than someone thinks :)

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:37 AM

With out a doubt, FL checks off many of those things.

After that, potentially NC or SC could be an option, but maybe avoid if you can't tolerate the higher rate of very religious people.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:38 AM

 az2au, on 11 July 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

As an adult I've lived in the Midwest (Cincinnati and Lexington), SE (Jacksonville), West (Scottsdale*), NE (Manhattan*) and two foreign countries (Malaysia and Australia) for at least 14 months each. I've lived other places as well but they've been for 9-12 months so I'll skip them. . Based on your criteria I would rate my top 3 as Scottsdale, Sydney and Lexington. My personal rating is similar but I would put Manhattan ahead of Lexington if you ignore golf or move it down on the priority list.

I'm very lucky in that my job allows me to live anywhere I want and with a young child and a love of golf the easy choice is Scottsdale. So much so that even though it hasn't always been my primary residence over the last 20 years (post college) I've had a residence in Scottsdale continuously during that time that I went to as much as possible.  Sydney is really the only close second and everything else is less.


Similar story,  Lived in: Denver, Las Vegas, Boston, Seattle.  Work allows me to live wherever I want, travel quite a bit and have spent considerable time in many areas.  Arizona is full of people from everywhere else, who if they make it through one summer, usually put down roots.  Two biggest pluses for me are the family aspect, I too have young kids, and the golf.  So many options for golf.  I just call around until I find a course that is relatively open and play my 2.5 hr round and head home.  Playing with friends is also easy to find great courses for games and well conditioned (thank you everywhere else for paying those high winter rates) courses with ease of making tee times.  Played last weekend at a world class course in the mountains 1.5 hrs away 85 degrees was the high (it is not a huge chore to escape the heat if needed).  Over half of my regular golf buddies are your exact story coming from CA.  6 hr drive or cheap 45 min flight gets you to your parents.

With all that said if I HAD to move I would choose Austin/San Antonio area

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:47 AM

This might be scoffed at by some, but I believe the "upper south" is a fantastic place to live.  Specifically, Louisville and Nashville. Both cities are great places to live and work.  Cost of living is low compared to other similar cities in different parts of the country.  You get to experience a climate that has all four seasons.  Both cities are growing at a high rate.  Great places to locate a business with quick access to the majority of the population in the country.  Both have out of this world food scenes.  Plus you get a little bit of charm in both places.

I believe the private golf scene in Louisville is fantastic. They have that "known" private in Valhalla, but the plethora of other private options across all budget levels is really the draw.  Louisville has in the ball park of 20ish private clubs. The low cost of living makes most of them affordable compared to other cities.  Most of those are really top notch club's, with excellent conditioning and amenities.  You'd be hard pressed to find a better collection of affordable, private clubs anywhere.

The Nashville area does not have as many private options, but the ones that are there are top notch.  A better public scene too.

I think you'd be surprised at how far your money can stretch in these towns versus California.  You wil have a larger house, more amenities, and a top notch club membership that you would not have in Cali. or some other places in the country.


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