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#1 PuttingIsNotGolf

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 03:22 PM

The right tricep


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:10 PM

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:40 PM

Yes, but is it more important in the backswing or downswing.
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Posted 05 July 2017 - 11:50 PM

What part of the right tricep?
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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:01 PM

Personally I dont think its any secret! The more efficient my swing becomes, the more I use both right & left arm tricepts. This is recognizable by the soreness that developes in the region.

IMO Hogans great secret was that there is no secret! His success was the result of natural athletic talent, thousands of hours of practice, physical training, proper nutrition, & strong mental agility & ability to endure & win.

Ben Hogan is proof that Ali lied about being the "greatest!"

Hope is not a solution!

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

The secret is in here:
http://www.exrx.net/...epsBrachii.html

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:34 AM

 PuttingIsNotGolf, on 08 July 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:



That was part of the secret, the other was the left shoulder.
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The average player has minimal time to make maximum compensations."
-Not my quote, but a great one!

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:36 AM

Thanks Oprah.  Welcome to GolfWRX.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:51 PM

Hogan said, "you have to do it with the left arm".   Maybe he was only referring to fanning the face open, but I suspect it was something else.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 12:51 AM

I think any secret has to do with lag pressure through the trigger finger, letting that pressure inform the swing itself, and then delivering "five right hands" through impact when you feel the pressure diminishing towards the bottom of the swing.

Or, that could just be the painkillers talking...

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 09:16 AM

The left arm was about a feeling of the left arm dominating the swing IMO. The whole three right hands business is because if you have the left arm controlling, and left hand in a finger and palm grip, the right hand is in a deliberately subservient position. You can hit as hard as you like with the right - as long as you also hit with the left or the right takes over. Basically, hit with both hands as long as you set it up so the left is in a stronger (as in, more dominant) position. When it is, and you are hitting with both hands, the right can't hit hard enough. So I don't think the right arm is part of the secret.

But...

I've only met a handful of people that recognise the hand action section is for *practice*. The downswing consists of hitting in the correct order, and starting down with the hips. As he says, after starting with the hips the rest is instinct.

For me his 'secret' is the cupped left wrist. But *the* secret, is hours and hours and hours of practice.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 12:41 PM

 David C, on 28 July 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

The left arm was about a feeling of the left arm dominating the swing IMO. The whole three right hands business is because if you have the left arm controlling, and left hand in a finger and palm grip, the right hand is in a deliberately subservient position. You can hit as hard as you like with the right - as long as you also hit with the left or the right takes over. Basically, hit with both hands as long as you set it up so the left is in a stronger (as in, more dominant) position. When it is, and you are hitting with both hands, the right can't hit hard enough. So I don't think the right arm is part of the secret.

But...

I've only met a handful of people that recognise the hand action section is for *practice*. The downswing consists of hitting in the correct order, and starting down with the hips. As he says, after starting with the hips the rest is instinct.

For me his 'secret' is the cupped left wrist. But *the* secret, is hours and hours and hours of practice.

David, then why is the cupped left wrist present in some pre-secret swings?

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No doubt Hogan worked tirelessly on his swing, but practice by itself is not a recipe for success ... one has to practice the correct things once they're found!

Edited by moehogan, 30 July 2017 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:17 AM

The secret of the cupped left wrist is not just the cup, but the move from cupped to arched.

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:42 AM

 MizunoJoe, on 31 July 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

The secret of the cupped left wrist is not just the cup, but the move from cupped to arched.

IMO, cupped to arched is the effect, not the cause.  Turning the left forearm/hand CCW against the right hand that is trying to keep its CW winding is what produces the arched or bowed left wrist and a clubface that is square to the clubhead arc.  It's done with the grip pressures Hogan detailed in 5L.

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 09:14 AM

 moehogan, on 31 July 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

 MizunoJoe, on 31 July 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

The secret of the cupped left wrist is not just the cup, but the move from cupped to arched.

IMO, cupped to arched is the effect, not the cause.  Turning the left forearm/hand CCW against the right hand that is trying to keep its CW winding is what produces the arched or bowed left wrist and a clubface that is square to the clubhead arc.  It's done with the grip pressures Hogan detailed in 5L.

Will check it out.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:48 AM

Moving the club without moving it.

Edited by ricklinens, 31 July 2017 - 12:00 PM.

The less you put in, the more you take out.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:57 AM

I'm not sure whether I agree that picture is pre-secret. He won the PGA and 13 tournaments in 1946. In September 1947 he won the double tournament he said proved his modification. In comparison he seems to have had a less successful year. He wins two majors in 1948 and more tournaments. Power Golf was published in 1948, so would be post-secret, unless of course the pictures for it were taken in early 1947. Certainly he has a weaker grip than the one in PG later on. I once read the pictures pre date and publication post dates, but can't find that again and don't remember whomever wrote it providing any evidence for that.

Edited by David C, 01 August 2017 - 03:04 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:10 AM

 David C, on 01 August 2017 - 02:57 AM, said:

I'm not sure whether I agree that picture is pre-secret. He won the PGA and 13 tournaments in 1946. In September 1947 he won the double tournament he said proved his modification. In comparison he seems to have had a less successful year. He wins two majors in 1948 and more tournaments. Power Golf was published in 1948, so would be post-secret, unless of course the pictures for it were taken in early 1947. Certainly he has a weaker grip than the one in PG later on. I once read the pictures pre date and publication post dates, but can't find that again and don't remember whomever wrote it providing any evidence for that.

I am sure it is pre-secret, David. The pic is from the Power Golf shoot in spring of 1947 at Augusta in preparation for publication.  No digital capabilities back then so publishing was a much slower process.  Power Golf, while having a 1948 copyright date, actually went on sale in December of 1947 to catch the Christmas selling season.

Although it has been reported erroneously at times as 1946, the "Secret" was actually discovered in the summer of '47  after he returned from the PGA Championship, only making it to the round of 64 ... still match play then. He had won that tourney the year before (his first major) and came home determined to find the cure for the hook that reared its head especially when the pressure was on.  Hogan then proceeded to battle test it at George May's tournament in Chicago later that summer in '47, which he won thus validating his discovery.

All of this can be validated with a little research!

Edited by moehogan, 01 August 2017 - 07:16 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:05 PM

That was the only thing I couldn't find info on, when published and pictures taken.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:37 PM

He said what his secret was in the magazine article


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:41 PM

I've long believed that most of Hogan's secret was his clubs, grip, and aiming direction.

Hogan always attacked the ball from way inside. The right elbow proximity to the right hip on the downswing guaranteed it.

Early in his career his conventional clubs and stronger grip caused hooking problems.

I don't think he changed his swing much - except changes in response to club adjustments he made.

Hogan's interest in the baseball swing and his friendship with baseball players Sam Byrd and Ted Williams is well documented. I believe that Hogan must have known that great baseball hitters used a hands leading swing to prevent flipping the head of the bat ahead thru the hitting zone - an action which causes weak pulled hits. Hogan's hooking problems would relate directly to this. He would have likely studied ways to prevent this rolling over of the hands thru impact. His weak grip would help prevent that roll over.

More than a swing change, I sense that the new secret instead was first, open faced clubs + a weak grip while holding the faces open beginning at address. As a side benefit, his turned in right foot and weak grip both acted to shorten his swing. After his accident, his swing was further restricted, but he stated that he struck the ball the best of his life before the accident.

A powerful, totally connected downswing with clubs set way open, that he couldn't hook were the start, but, such wide open faces would have started the ball way right, so he aimed left, with the ball foreward in his stance and swung/turned way left thru impact to start the ball left of final target with the intention of fading the ball slightly.

Hogan had rather long arms for his height, so a circular swing around to the left with long arms likely led to some turf/heel strikes causing hooks. Bending his clubs very flat cured that. His driver also had very low bulge in the face - a feature he eliminated, and didn't need, because of his precise swing.

Further evidence is Hogan's statements that when it tried to hit it harder, the ball went straighter - likely because it closed the face more when he swung harder.

Hogan knew Trackman data before Trackman was invented!

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