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Energy Flows LIke Water Coming Out of Hose


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#1 Larry111

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:54 PM

The energy should flow with no impedance like water flowing out of a hose. You have to know where the pivot is going but loosely unfold the right elbow away from the target on your coronal plane to start the down swing and the pivot will respond. Just start it and you don't want to feel any or a very slight amount of friction as you unwind.

If you feel the hit in your arms, energy is being retained in your arms and not getting out to the club head.


Edited by Larry111, 19 June 2017 - 04:55 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:47 PM

Yeah I do that hose thing on a few trees per round bud.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:06 PM

I love these Mike Austin guys. This ones much more fun than that Swedish dude. I get more Zen and less negativity
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:49 PM

I followed your advice and caved in the faces of all my clubs, including irons and wedges. I think it's working.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:06 AM

View Postdlygrisse, on 19 June 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I love these Mike Austin guys. This ones much more fun than that Swedish dude. I get more Zen and less negativity

Agreed.

But why are they all weird like this?  MA's concepts could very well work for some people, but why do the Austinites persist in thinking they are correct in every swing idea that they have?  A reflection of Austin the man, I guess.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:50 AM

Golf swings are like snowflakes and fingerprints, there are no two alike. Even top tour pros aren't able to exactly duplicate their motions every time. If they could you would see much lower scores in the neighborhood of -25 to -30 winning tournaments.

Golfers including tour pros trend up or down depending on how well they repeat their motion. The immensely talented Koepka who hasn't won that many tournaments on tour put everything together at the right time. He won the US Open because he was in the groove with his swing and his psychology in my view.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:08 AM

How did Koepka pipe a 3 wood 387 yards on #18 without a "drop" move in transition?



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:38 AM

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

How did Koepka pipe a 3 wood 387 yards on #18 without a "drop" move in transition?



You think he doesn't drop?

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:51 AM

I don't see much if any of a "squat move" in Koepka's transition either but I'm sure one of the "golf science" gurus can find one. lol


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

I don't see much if any of a "squat move" in Koepka's transition either but I'm sure one of the "golf science" gurus can find one. lol

You are seeing what you want to see. Find a steady camera and draw a line on top of his head. He drops.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

View PostLarry111, on 19 June 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The energy should flow with no impedance like water flowing out of a hose.

It does if one doesn't use the club as a projectile.  The ball is the projectile, not the club.
The less you put in, the more you take out.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:42 AM

ricklinens, haven't gotten that far along to think about the ball as the projectile but it makes sense.

If the golf ball feels heavy at impact you're doing something wrong and opening the door to injury IMO. Elbows, hips, shoulders, backs etc etc. The golf ball should feel like an air bubble and not an 18lb bowling ball.

Instead of trying to generate power by moving the pivot fast, a better way to look at it is to generate speed by moving the circumference of the circle (club head) fast in my view.



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

View PostLarry111, on 19 June 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The energy should flow with no impedance like water flowing out of a hose. ...


Being cylindrical, a hose impedes the flow of water by its' very nature.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:52 PM

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

How did Koepka pipe a 3 wood 387 yards on #18 without a "drop" move in transition?



So it seems a BIG part of MA's teaching is the pivot and how the hips tilt and slide over the right leg on the BS.  He hated turning inside a braced right leg, but it seems Brooks does not do this, how does using Brooks compliment MA's teachings?  

There is certainly more than one way to swing a golf club, you are obviously trying to communicate that the MA method is the best way, why are you using Brooks as a model, seems like an odd choice?

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:53 PM

View PostTurnHard Langer, on 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
-Old Tom Morris

Now this made me laugh

I'm picturing me after a very large coffee and then 2 gatorades on a weekend morning.  Worse than 8 beers.   End up peeing more than my cocker spaniel walking in a fern forest
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

View Postnohny noke, on 20 June 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 19 June 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I love these Mike Austin guys. This ones much more fun than that Swedish dude. I get more Zen and less negativity

Agreed.

But why are they all weird like this?  MA's concepts could very well work for some people, but why do the Austinites persist in thinking they are correct in every swing idea that they have?  A reflection of Austin the man, I guess.

I get why they persist on their ideas, mostly because you don't want to mix swing theories, and if the pattern works it works, deviating can only complicate things.  However it's the delivery bizarre.  TGM seems to attract it's own type of overly analytical smug sort of personality as well.  Your MLDT guys like things simple, your Hogan guys and totally insane, the Slicefixer crowd like to go on pilgrimages, and the Stack and Tilt guys are very quiet all the sudden, but maybe just part of the TGM crowd.  My favorites are the guys who went to see O'Grady, they used to dominate the forum with their dogma.

View Postcardoustie, on 20 June 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

View PostTurnHard Langer, on 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
-Old Tom Morris

Now this made me laugh

I'm picturing me after a very large coffee and then 2 gatorades on a weekend morning.  Worse than 8 beers.   End up peeing more than my cocker spaniel walking in a fern forest
LOL pretty sure Old Tom had a wee nip of the local Scotch Whiskey.  :)
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:03 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 20 June 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

View PostTurnHard Langer, on 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
-Old Tom Morris

Now this made me laugh

I'm picturing me after a very large coffee and then 2 gatorades on a weekend morning.  Worse than 8 beers.   End up peeing more than my cocker spaniel walking in a fern forest

You sound like a good candidate for the Uro Club.



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:03 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 19 June 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I love these Mike Austin guys. This ones much more fun than that Swedish dude. I get more Zen and less negativity

The Swedish dude is a member of the Austin cult.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:06 PM

View PostGhost of Snead, on 20 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 19 June 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I love these Mike Austin guys. This ones much more fun than that Swedish dude. I get more Zen and less negativity

The Swedish dude is a member of the Austin cult.

Exactly.  and he's a "Golf God"

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:10 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 20 June 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

How did Koepka pipe a 3 wood 387 yards on #18 without a "drop" move in transition?



So it seems a BIG part of MA's teaching is the pivot and how the hips tilt and slide over the right leg on the BS.  He hated turning inside a braced right leg, but it seems Brooks does not do this, how does using Brooks compliment MA's teachings?  

There is certainly more than one way to swing a golf club, you are obviously trying to communicate that the MA method is the best way, why are you using Brooks as a model, seems like an odd choice?

The quick loose right arm throw from the top was the big club head speed producer and also kept the shaft on plane in Austin's swing. You don't have to use Austin's pivot to use your right arm the way he advocated for speed and accuracy.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:15 PM

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 20 June 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

View PostTurnHard Langer, on 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
-Old Tom Morris

Now this made me laugh

I'm picturing me after a very large coffee and then 2 gatorades on a weekend morning.  Worse than 8 beers.   End up peeing more than my cocker spaniel walking in a fern forest

You sound like a good candidate for the Uro Club.



Biggest question of this thread,  how does one stumble upon this video?

I can't wrap my mind around the search that would be required.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:21 PM

This is not a drop?

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:54 PM

Pretty good use of leg lever.



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:59 PM

View PostPeanutsDaddy, on 20 June 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 20 June 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

View PostTurnHard Langer, on 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
-Old Tom Morris

Now this made me laugh

I'm picturing me after a very large coffee and then 2 gatorades on a weekend morning.  Worse than 8 beers.   End up peeing more than my cocker spaniel walking in a fern forest

You sound like a good candidate for the Uro Club.



Biggest question of this thread,  how does one stumble upon this video?

I can't wrap my mind around the search that would be required.

Good find Larry.

I play mostly at a tight course lined on both sides of the fairway with homes so the Uro Club is quite popular there. lol


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 02:42 PM

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 01:10 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 20 June 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostLarry111, on 20 June 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

How did Koepka pipe a 3 wood 387 yards on #18 without a "drop" move in transition?



So it seems a BIG part of MA's teaching is the pivot and how the hips tilt and slide over the right leg on the BS.  He hated turning inside a braced right leg, but it seems Brooks does not do this, how does using Brooks compliment MA's teachings?  

There is certainly more than one way to swing a golf club, you are obviously trying to communicate that the MA method is the best way, why are you using Brooks as a model, seems like an odd choice?

The quick loose right arm throw from the top was the big club head speed producer and also kept the shaft on plane in Austin's swing. You don't have to use Austin's pivot to use your right arm the way he advocated for speed and accuracy.


Oh Mike would disagree vigorously with that statement. Mike's compound pivot was/is the foundation of his whole swing philosophy.

You can't do anything correctly without that piece of the puzzle he insisted on it.

You certainly couldn't use he right arm the way he wanted without the compound pivot.  It's amazing Tour Pro's can even play without using Austin's swing, heck it's amazing anyone can even hit a ball using anything other then the Austin method.

Edited by Bronson, 21 June 2017 - 02:45 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:41 PM

Bronson, I sense a little hostility in your post. I don't see what's so hard to understand about using a tension free right arm in the golf swing. Maybe this will help you, try thinking about throwing a baseball with a tense right arm. Would you throw it very far?

Also, scroll up and watch the video of the soccer style kicker. Do you think he would get distance and accuracy with a tense kicking leg?

Edited by Larry111, 21 June 2017 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:24 PM

View PostLarry111, on 21 June 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Bronson, I sense a little hostility in your post. I don't see what's so hard to understand about using a tension free right arm in the golf swing. Maybe this will help you, try thinking about throwing a baseball with a tense right arm. Would you throw it very far?

Also, scroll up and watch the video of the soccer style kicker. Do you think he would get distance and accuracy with a tense kicking leg?


What are you talking about? I'm talking compound pivot Austin style as the foundation of his method and how he insisted on it and your talking about a  tense arm or leg. Austin would not agree with your statement in post#21 he was very particular in the use of the compound pivot and then everything else flowed like water without restriction of the energy.

Mike Austin would get very upset as shown in his video teaching teachers when the pivot wasn't done properly to his satisfaction and that came first before the right arm toss, if no proper compound pivot then no proper right arm toss.

And I'm not hostile can't understand how you could get that from my post, I'm dealing in facts!

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:36 PM

View PostTurnHard Langer, on 19 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

"A good golf swing is like urinating after drinking 4 gatorades."
-Old Tom Morris


They had Gatorade back then? Interesting!

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 11:53 AM

this swing thought has really helped me on the past 2 rounds that i've played. i have always had a hit impulse but flowing like water has really helped me swing more freely which has resulted in good shots and increased confidence.


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