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#1 tyorke1

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:36 PM

I have been using allot of hand action during transition , this does create power  think Koepka , but I found playing in the rain I would lose the club to twistiing. I also find for me it's not reliable in tournaments. I just went back to quiet hands, easy on plane swing with no manipulation. I know using hands can create power and for some no issue but it just didn't work for me, anyone have similar findings.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:26 PM

Quiet hands has always been dependable for me. When I try to use the hands to manipulate the face...muy mal things happen.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:28 PM

Less hands seems more reliable under pressure although some days the timing is spot on and a little manipulation can work.  Gotta play with what you have.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:09 PM

I've always been too handsy. Just ask my wife.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:36 PM

View Postfinleysg, on 19 June 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

I've always been too handsy. Just ask my wife.

I saw this, and thought it might be something DavePelz4 might post

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:37 AM

View Posttyorke1, on 19 June 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

I have been using allot of hand action during transition , this does create power  think Koepka , but I found playing in the rain I would lose the club to twistiing. I also find for me it's not reliable in tournaments. I just went back to quiet hands, easy on plane swing with no manipulation. I know using hands can create power and for some no issue but it just didn't work for me, anyone have similar findings.
i think hands early vs late.  e.g. clubface is open at the top, hands immediately square and start releasing while there is no forces, turn and hit.  if you wait then you're in trouble.  watch monte's cast drill.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:29 PM

I've tried the extra wrist snap or club twisting and yes had some success with it but for me it just does not hold up with nerves. I don't even want to know I have hands in tourny's .

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:38 PM

What do you mean by using hands ? Are you referring to letting the momentum of the swing release the club vs hanging on and holding off the release ?

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:44 PM

View Postmoadhia, on 20 June 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

What do you mean by using hands ? Are you referring to letting the momentum of the swing release the club vs hanging on and holding off the release ?

"using the hands" is a conscious attempt to have the hands manipulate the club.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 07:46 PM

more like float loading, bowing, handle twisting all terms used to manipulate the club head and release. quieter hands like a david toms, slight rotation in backswing , simple release with body rotation and or down motion of wrists at release , hope this is clearer. My point is lots can have success with some kind of manipulation, but I know for me the simpler the better .


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:08 PM

There is often some natural float loading.  That is not being handsy, that is allowing the change of direction to act on the wrist angle.


Purposely delaying the set and pulling on the club to create max lag in transition is an absolute disaster.

Getting handsy is often the result of delaying the wrist set, delaying the release on purpose or purposely being passive with the hands and arms.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:13 PM

thanks Monte , interesting, more than likely I have been doing it wrong ,

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:16 PM

For a golfer to be successful at using his hands, he has to have excellent hand/eye coordination and timing. A friend of mine has a hands swing...he admits it...and he hits it long, and can shoot in the mid-70s, however, if his timing just a wee bit off his scores balloon.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:55 PM

View Posttyorke1, on 20 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

more like float loading, bowing, handle twisting all terms used to manipulate the club head and release. quieter hands like a david toms, slight rotation in backswing , simple release with body rotation and or down motion of wrists at release , hope this is clearer. My point is lots can have success with some kind of manipulation, but I know for me the simpler the better .

Consciously trying to manipulate your hands in the DS sounds like a recipe for disaster. I don't think your brain can process information that quickly ( in the amount of time it takes to go from transition to finish).

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:09 PM

I would never ever focus on the hands/wrists during the swing.  Just let the set and release happen. The hands will do what they have to do if you have a good idea what you want the clubface to do.

So there is really only here and now

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:58 AM

Hands are not to be messed with.  There's always hand action but just let it happen naturally.  I just keep it loose and relaxed and it goes straighter and further rather than hooking to the left.  It's easier to let the timing happen rather than trying to force it.  Trust your body rather than your conscious mind which is reacting and will never catch up.
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:20 AM

What do you guys steer your cars with? The pivot?

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:48 AM

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 21 June 2017 - 05:20 AM, said:

What do you guys steer your cars with? The pivot?

That's not important just now.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:55 AM

View Postlarssonlegend, on 21 June 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 21 June 2017 - 05:20 AM, said:

What do you guys steer your cars with? The pivot?

That's not important just now.

(Hm, they must all live within walking distance.)

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:54 AM

Taut arms and loose to firm grip works really well for me for most clubs
Tighter grip with handsy swing works well for wedge play only for me

Edited by dlam, 21 June 2017 - 06:54 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:40 PM

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 21 June 2017 - 05:20 AM, said:

What do you guys steer your cars with? The pivot?

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:45 PM

The arms and hands are mostly conduits but also amplify the energy flowing into the ball, they need to be set properly in the back swing and then let go as the pivot slings them and the club away from you in the down swing. It's pretty simple to do but does take some training to learn how to synchronize it.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:06 PM

I like firm hands staying out of the swing with soft and oily wrists allowing travel.
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:30 PM

rick, what people don't get and I didn't get it for a long time until I had a major light bulb moment is that the shaft and face swing on the same plane as the left arm. I'm not familiar with all the instructors out there but Kelvin teaches a slight counter roll in the back swing.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:11 AM

View PostLarry111, on 21 June 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

rick, what people don't get and I didn't get it for a long time until I had a major light bulb moment is that the shaft and face swing on the same plane as the left arm. I'm not familiar with all the instructors out there but Kelvin teaches a slight counter roll in the back swing.

What does this have to do with hand action, and what is counter roll?

So there is really only here and now

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:31 AM

Instead of rolling the hands and arms clockwise you roll them counter clockwise. This is an extreme example but notice the club face is looking (same plane) at the ball.


Edited by Larry111, 22 June 2017 - 12:44 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:37 AM

Um, the ball does not have a 'plane'.
So there is really only here and now

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:40 AM

Maybe I didn't describe it right but if you look at Dustin's club face at the top and I can't really tell you what's going on in his mind but I bet in his mind the club face is pointing at the ball.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:58 AM

View PostLarry111, on 22 June 2017 - 12:40 AM, said:

Maybe I didn't describe it right but if you look at Dustin's club face at the top and I can't really tell you what's going on in his mind but I bet in his mind the club face is pointing at the ball.

That is not counter rotating, that is keeping the face square to the path, and at the top is called shut, with left wrist bowed and face pointing up to the sky. This kind of backswing is not for everyone, and can be bad for many.
So there is really only here and now

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:06 PM

there's allot of ways to hit a golf ball,  there's allot of tour players that are very good at using their hands to hit certain shot's create distance., draws, low shots .  Not everyone can create distance from the pivot.  Here's an example , take the club 3/4 back and stop, then as you begin the down swing purposely add extra wrist c0ck to the right wrist and all of a sudden you have shaft lean and compression, actually a great way for struggling chippers. Overtime this will be more natural . this is purposely manipulating the club and yes it can be done and be effective. Again my point is for anyone to say they have no control of the club during the downswing , yes you can. again not perfect but if I was a caster or shorter hitter this can easily help. For tournament players hand manipulation can be difficult if it is not ingrained .Because this yr has not be good so far realize that in the search to hit it farther I was using my hands too much so now I am making things simpler .


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