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Do you carry a Lob wedge or is 56 Degree enough?


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#91 drjacko

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:48 AM

I play a 48, 52, 58, 64 set.  Both 58 and 64 are Callaway PM grinds.  I am in the process of trying to find similar versatility with the 48 and 52.

With good touch on the 64 (coming with practice), I have place the ball 1 foot from my stand bag and popped it over full height - landing within 8yards. It's gotten to a point where mini floaters/pitches for 10, 20 and 30 yards are with 64, 58 and 52 respectively with same set up.

I use 58 and 64 at greenside bunkers.  With the 64 I have been known to rip it to a stop.

It's interesting to see Utley recommending 58 in his The Art of Short Game and the recent Golfwrx article regarding wedges stating most tour players saw 58 and 60 as their main wedge out of the sand.  If you follow that train of thought with natural gapping, 56 isn't the end all.

There is a caveat: certain grinds to allow full opening.  Cleveland DSGs was the first wedge I could get repeatable results for this.  That was great fun.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:18 PM

I carry a 62 but it is used 1-2 times a round tops. I only use it on green side bunker shots that are extremely close to the pin (<10ft) and shots that require me to go straight up and over. I've done everything in my power to stay away from using it unless I absolutely have to. And I never use it on full shots. No sense in making the game any harder than I have to!
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:35 PM

AP1 PW 45, AW 50, then 56-14 and 60-12

Don't use 60 much out of fairway now, learned to hit half and 3/4 shots with other wedges that are more consistent for me, but 60 seems to do better out of tight packed or hard bunkers and other areas around greens

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

I walk and carry my bag. I play 4 wedges: 46,52,56,60. I don't use my 60 much but when I do it makes a difference. Especially when the lie is tight and pin is tucked, I feel more comfortable taking a full light swing than a half slightly harder swing. With the half swing intended to decelerate or accelerate too fast. If you were looking to save weight you could go 48,54,60 set up. It really all depends on how you play your touch shots, course conditions and your comfort zones.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:59 PM

I mostly walk now and stopped carrying the 60 wedge.  Unless I'm somewhere with deepest of bunkers then don't really need the added loft.  I can always open the 56 and pop it straight up if need be.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 05:04 PM

My 58 degree Mack daddy 3 w grind is automatic from the bunker, deep rough and 80-100 yards

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 05:11 PM

I'm actually wondering whether 60 is enough. Definitely couldn't get by with just a 56.

Edited by playa, 23 June 2017 - 05:12 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 05:24 PM

I use a 54 mainly for everything from around 60m/greens/bunkers, am thinking of adding a 58 as I'm considering joining a club with some pretty steep green side bunkers.

I felt a bit inferior to a lot of players I played with seeing they had a crazy amount of wedges in their bag, but then came across an article from Jimmy Walker which basically reinforced my thoughts in which he said just play one for the majority of those wedge shots and do it right.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:26 PM

My highest-lofted wedge is 58.  I just found that I rarely used the 60, which stays in the garage.  If I play a course with pot bunkers, I'll dust it off.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:28 PM

 sterilized, on 21 June 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

 Tex1986, on 20 June 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

I go 50/58 with my PW(10iron) being 45 degrees.

I'm comfortable hitting 95% of shots inside 120 yards with this setup. Occasionally I have a shot that a 54* would be perfect for but I usually can make it work with the 50*.

How's your bounce/grind situation on your 58?

I've been thinking this could work for me,  but it just so happens both my current 50 and 58 are pretty low bounce and I feel like that might hurt sometimes.

The 50* is the i20 u-wedge which is just stock. The 58* is a mizuno MP-T10 with 10* of bounce. I play in SETX so it can be super soggy or dry hardpan at anytime. Standard bounce seems to work best overall.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:52 PM

wedges are 49* (from my iron set), 54*, 58*
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:41 PM

56 is enough...although the next tinker project will be to add a 60, as I have an open spot in the bag.  I do not like hitting a flop unless I have to, for whatever reason having a 60 in the bag seems to encourage trying it.  I want to try and hit it without opening the blade at all.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:47 PM

 OKMrazor, on 23 June 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

A 56 is enough - and I played that for many years. I've also played 53 + 59.

But I play a 52 56 60.  I just prefer a 60 out of many sand shots and for a flop once or twice every couple of rounds.  Also the different grinds can give more flexibility (I feel) when encountering different conditions / soggy or hard fairways.

I don't feel the need to add another wood or hybid, so realistically the 14th slot takes a wedge or goes empty.  Might as well add the flexibility around the green.

That sums it up for me.  I could easily play Driver, 4w, 4iron to Gap, 56 and putter.  That's only 12 clubs.  So I throw in a 5w and 60 wedge.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:41 PM

I do carry a 58 degree lob wedge but don't use it much.  Generally for higher pitch shots inside 50 yards and bunker shots.  Had a 60 previously and it was too much loft.

The 51 AW and 54 SW are my go-to wedges inside 100 yards and around the greens 90% of the time.
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:51 AM

I walk / push, and carry a 54/58, in addition to pw and gap. The latter are basically "yardage" clubs, and with the variety of bounce/grind options available can produce the shots I need with the SW and lob from 90 yards in. Biggest help was correctly gapping top end of bag! Thanks Cobra!!


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 01:18 PM

 SadTrombone, on 19 June 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

47/52/56/60

My set-up as well.  Although I believe my old copper Ping lob wedge is actually 61*. At least that's what the specs say if you look up the older clubs on their website.  

Rarely if ever take full shots with the lob.  It's primarily my bunker club as the thing is just automatic out of a greenside bunker.  Much more reliable than my 56*.  

The 56 dies the rest of the heavy lifting on pitches and chips inside of 100.  

52 is my 95-105 yard full swing club as well as chips I want to run a bit.  

Don't feel I miss anything at the long end of the bag either.  4i had to go if I want to carry 2 hybrids which I do.  A 4h and 2h.  4h much more consistent than a 4i for me.  Only thing I really loose is the ability to punch it really low under trees when in trouble.  



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Posted 24 June 2017 - 03:32 PM

Depending on my bag setup at the upper end I'll either carry 54/58 or just a 56. However, I recently picked up a Callaway SureOut in 64° that I have been subbing for the 58°. I don;t get in many sand traps but am absolutely loving it on shots where I have short-sided myself.
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 05:29 PM

I enjoy reading everyone's comments. I am a 5 handicap and I carry a 52 and a 58, my PW is 47 and have for at least 10 years. Max distances are 105, 85, 120 respectively.

Since I rarely practice, these work for me. I had tried a 60 a while ago but it cost me more shots than it saved

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 05:51 PM

I want as many bunker, greenside and short yardage options as possible.
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:30 PM

I walk and also have a lob wedge. Is a Mack Daddy 2 with 14 of bounce. I really use it though, mainly for high shots if I'm short sided.


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:41 PM

I hav a 56 and a 60. I play a Tillinghast course and need the lob to get to  the best landing spot if I miss the green. I use it a lot unfortunately. ��

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 07:20 PM

45, 50, 56, and 60.  I could get by without the 60, but we have deep rough around the greens, and it's good for those shots.  Very seldom use the 60 for any fairway shot.

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 07:38 PM

I finally learned how to hit my 58 properly and now I want that shot whenever possible. 105 spinning back to 95...a rare instance where I feel like a pro!
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 09:06 PM

52 & 56. With today's wedges (like the cally md 56 pm grind) many are very versatile and easily opened up. I haven't had a need for any more than that for several years.

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 10:50 PM

I carry 52, 56, 64 and the 64 is the most versatile club I have in the bag. It gets me out of many a jam. Bunkers, high flops and full shots are the norm. It goes about 80 yards full and I can carry high obstacles at very close proximity. I was afraid of it initially, but using it regularly and practicing has made it my go-to club in sticky situations. I even custom ground the sole for less bounce and lob use.

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 01:37 AM

I used to walk.... But fixing up golf carts and making them cool is too fun.


I get the walking thing, is there any reason you wouldn't want to roll a push cart around? Had those too.


Anyway. I carry a set 47* PW, and 52* 56* and 60* all Callaways.

I use my 56* for anything under 90 yards in. 60* is for close up sandy shots or probably 75% of chips and pitches. If the lie is SUPER tight, I'll drop to my PW, and putt one up close(hopefully)..

Plus, a push cart has a cup holder....just sayin'

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 10:34 AM

I don't have traditionally gapped wedges, but I have a 46* PW and 50, 56, 60 wedges. I'd feel lost without a 60* at my disposal, especially on closer bunker shots.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 10:50 AM

There is no correct answer here.  I play a 57* as my highest lofted wedge, and I never open it up.  Its a 12 bounce RAC grind and I can hit super-high shots by hinging my wrists like crazy 90*.  Its a skill.  Just like anything else, its completely player-dependent.

There are literally two things that matter in choosing a 56 or a 60 - 1. Do you hit down on your short game shots?  2. Do you accelerate your swing into the finish for 95% of your short game shots?

If the answer to both is "yes", congrats!  You have a good short game and it doesn't matter.
If the answer to either is "no", d'oh! You are going to struggle in the short game regardless of the number stamped on your club and it doesn't matter.

There are two ways to stop a ball - spin and height.  60* helps stop it with height, 56* with spin.

It is incredibly unlikely it matters.  If you have a fearless, good short game swing (i.e. you hit the ball hard on every shot and you hit down) you can use either.

 dlygrisse, on 20 June 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

So is a 56* enough?  Sure.  But you never see it on tour any longer even though short game superstars like Seve and Watson pretty much just used a 56*..  

Greens on tour and the ball are different than their day, all the guys on tour use at least 58* I believe.  But if you don't play courses that have extremely fast greens or you just don't need the stopping power of a lob wedge then simplifying your wedge game is probably a good thing.  

I use a 58* and have for many years, I used to use the 56,60 set up but found I used the 56 a lot and the 60 just got me in trouble.  When I went 58* it seemed to be the best of both worlds.  

So personally I would say with the modern ball and greens a 58* is optimal for most people, if you are comfortable with a 56* then go for it.

They don't play the lob wedge for around the green.  They use it, but only because it has the highest loft.  They play it because they are so long they need more clockwork wedge shots from the fairway.  if you took 100 yards off every pros drive starting tomorrow, the 56/60 would be cut for a 58 and they'd all play another hybrid.  In fact if you look at the bags of the slow swingers OR the bags the senior players bring to the majors when the qualify that is exactly what they do.  Pros play 3 wedges because of the fairway, not the greenside.  They could use anything greenside given two weeks to practice with it.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 12:37 PM

I carry a 45 50 54 & 58. I find I use the Lob wedge (58*) from 90 yds depending on the full shot & conditions. I find it useful within the 35 yd range IF I have a bunker, water, high rough, etc to go over to get to the green. The bounce on my lob wedge is a few degrees less than my sand wedge so it's easier to hit off of tighter lies. Also I use the Lob wedge in a bunker if I need to get the ball up quickly over the lip. I find it works better than the sand wedge in this cases.  Most of your shots are from within wedge distance,115yds & in so by having more choices of wedges to pick from seems to be the reasonable thing to do. Depending on the distance, lie, wind, weather, hazards & obstacles, I could any of the wedges. I normally chip with my 50* Gap Wedge if that helps anyone.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:25 PM

I went 52* 58* (and PW) to simplify the game for myself.  I will use the vokey 58 k grind anywhere inside 100, and I know what to expect rather than trying to decide between 56* and 60*.


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