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#1 electroleum

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:29 PM

...as in my body is telling me it's no longer willing to support my swing as is.

I've been a big swinger my whole life, and I think I need to slow things down/change things up if i want to keep playing this game into my 40's and beyond. Sure, it was nice to be able to hit a long ball...but now days I'd trade that in for consistency in a heartbeat. After 18 holes these days, my back & elbows end up becoming quite sore.

I think my first step is to just slow my swing down...but it's just so hard to not take a rip at it when I'm standing over the ball.

Has anyone else gone through this type of transformation? Any tips would be welcomed.

And no, I don't plan on driving my car while high on pain meds anytime soon :P

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:25 PM

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:37 PM

Dude if you are not 40 yet just....wait....it happens the day of...quote me!
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:06 PM

I would look for an instructor who can help you with this process. Sometimes just becoming more efficient with your swing will allow you to generate the power you are used to, but help to take some of the stress off your body as well. Good luck and keep us posted with the process.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:08 PM

I wanted to chirp about pain pills and slutes as well /////  but at almost 50 .. I hear you brother

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:34 PM

You dont have to "slow your swing down". you need to become more efficient throughout your swing. That "grip it and rip it" mentality only goes so far. Look at guys like Freddie and Els, perfect examples of smooth, effortless swings, that still produce results.

Often you'll find swinging easier will speed up your hands and produce the same, if not greater, distance off the tee. Keep in mind that 2x4 shaft you thought you needed in the past will almost always need to change.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:09 AM

View Postelectroleum, on 19 June 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

...as in my body is telling me it's no longer willing to support my swing as is.

I've been a big swinger my whole life, and I think I need to slow things down/change things up if i want to keep playing this game into my 40's and beyond. Sure, it was nice to be able to hit a long ball...but now days I'd trade that in for consistency in a heartbeat. After 18 holes these days, my back & elbows end up becoming quite sore.

I think my first step is to just slow my swing down...but it's just so hard to not take a rip at it when I'm standing over the ball.

Has anyone else gone through this type of transformation? Any tips would be welcomed.

And no, I don't plan on driving my car while high on pain meds anytime soon :P
i went through that.  the tiger approach (back pain), the sergio approach (elbows/forearms), the hogan approach (hip, it band).  so my solution was....the Jack approach.  works for everything and i'm pain free now.  and hit the ball much better than 10 years ago.

seriously, step 1 is work on your core and legs (that protects your back, hips, legs and keeps your power up).  upper body you should only work on keeping loose.

step 2, swing like a kid again, release from the top (no holding off!  see monte's cast drill) and let her go but seriously you need the core strength to not ee.  my shoulders, arm, back, everything feels great.  not sure why they don't teach Jack-style more.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 05:30 AM

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 06:33 AM

View Postcardoustie, on 19 June 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

I wanted to chirp about pain pills and slutes as well /////  but at almost 50 .. I hear you brother

Slap on some A535 and your stampede cap and have a rip at 'er

LOL, slutes - sluts and glutes! Works for Tiger.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:57 PM

With a Medicare card in the mail soon, my suggestion would be to work on flexibility and sit down with a good teacher. Develop an efficient repeatable swing that you can keep under control.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:04 PM

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:12 PM

It's a hard pill to swallow, been thru it.  Frankly, it makes you question your motives as to why you continue to play this crazy game.  But, if you just persist through that self-induced brain cloud, you'll come out the other side, with a greater appreciation of the joy and beauty that golf can present to each of us.

Wish you the best of luck.  

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:07 PM

I was ready to help you get off the needle.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:55 PM

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Dude if you are not 40 yet just....wait....it happens the day of...quote me!

Ok, you've piqued my interest.  Does "it" have a fix that involves a retired couple in separate outdoor tubs?

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:52 AM

View PostGamble Gamble, on 20 June 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

View Postmoonshine, on 19 June 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

Dude if you are not 40 yet just....wait....it happens the day of...quote me!

Ok, you've piqued my interest.  Does "it" have a fix that involves a retired couple in separate outdoor tubs?

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 10:56 AM

I am at the point where I avoid "full" shots wherever possible.  Took me all these years to figure out that golf is just easier that way.  So many inconsistencies for me arise when trying to max out a club.  The pleasure of a longball has been surpassed by that of a 150 yd 7i out of the middle of the face.
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 11:11 AM

View PostMeikoKaji, on 20 June 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:


i went through that.  the tiger approach (back pain), the sergio approach (elbows/forearms), the hogan approach (hip, it band).  so my solution was....the Jack approach.  works for everything and i'm pain free now.  and hit the ball much better than 10 years ago.

seriously, step 1 is work on your core and legs (that protects your back, hips, legs and keeps your power up).  upper body you should only work on keeping loose.

step 2, swing like a kid again, release from the top (no holding off!  see monte's cast drill) and let her go but seriously you need the core strength to not ee.  my shoulders, arm, back, everything feels great.  not sure why they don't teach Jack-style more.

So what is "the jack approach?" Didn't he have serious back problems as well?

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 11:50 PM

I'm 46 and last few years have been a lot of nagging injuries and pain while playing and after.  Full swing is so tough in pain. Short game and putting you can still maintain a high level. I'm trying to find a golf swing is easier on my body.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:11 AM

View Postscopek, on 21 June 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

View PostMeikoKaji, on 20 June 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:

i went through that.  the tiger approach (back pain), the sergio approach (elbows/forearms), the hogan approach (hip, it band).  so my solution was....the Jack approach.  works for everything and i'm pain free now.  and hit the ball much better than 10 years ago.

seriously, step 1 is work on your core and legs (that protects your back, hips, legs and keeps your power up).  upper body you should only work on keeping loose.

step 2, swing like a kid again, release from the top (no holding off!  see monte's cast drill) and let her go but seriously you need the core strength to not ee.  my shoulders, arm, back, everything feels great.  not sure why they don't teach Jack-style more.

So what is "the jack approach?" Didn't he have serious back problems as well?

He certainly did when he was older.

https://www.nytimes....a-bad-back.html

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Jack Nicklaus, an 18-time major champion, was one of the longer hitters of his day, yet he did not experience back pain, he said, until he was in his 40s. The first time Nicklaus withdrew from a tournament, he said, was in 1981 in Ohio when his back started spasming and he dropped to his knees in agony.

“They had to carry me to the practice tee,” Nicklaus said. “Two years later, I had the same thing happen here in Augusta in 1983.”


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:07 AM

View Posttheboypinoy, on 22 June 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

View Postscopek, on 21 June 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

View PostMeikoKaji, on 20 June 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:

i went through that.  the tiger approach (back pain), the sergio approach (elbows/forearms), the hogan approach (hip, it band).  so my solution was....the Jack approach.  works for everything and i'm pain free now.  and hit the ball much better than 10 years ago.

seriously, step 1 is work on your core and legs (that protects your back, hips, legs and keeps your power up).  upper body you should only work on keeping loose.

step 2, swing like a kid again, release from the top (no holding off!  see monte's cast drill) and let her go but seriously you need the core strength to not ee.  my shoulders, arm, back, everything feels great.  not sure why they don't teach Jack-style more.

So what is "the jack approach?" Didn't he have serious back problems as well?

He certainly did when he was older.

https://www.nytimes....a-bad-back.html

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Jack Nicklaus, an 18-time major champion, was one of the longer hitters of his day, yet he did not experience back pain, he said, until he was in his 40s. The first time Nicklaus withdrew from a tournament, he said, was in 1981 in Ohio when his back started spasming and he dropped to his knees in agony.

“They had to carry me to the practice tee,” Nicklaus said. “Two years later, I had the same thing happen here in Augusta in 1983.”
minus the 18 majors that is exactly what i went through.  I can go into tremendous detail of all my injuries in my 40s.  I'll summarize.  

Core strength training and foam rolling solved my plantar, IT band, hip and back pain and i avoided surgery.  Thankfully got great advice from a personal trainer.

Jack's release solved my scapular, shoulder, elbow (golf and tennis!) and forearm issues.  The release is just release as soon as possible and just turn.  It's Monte's no turn, cast drill (just the cast part for me).

Now, I'm pain free 50 and hitting the ball better then i did 15 years ago.  Swing speed went from high 90s to 107-109 range.  The best part is no pain.  I play in a lot of tournaments now, sometimes 72 holes a weekend.  No problem.   There is a lot more detail on each injury but that's broadly it.  The hardest thing to fix was the tennis/golf elbows to be honest.

Edit:  there is more to it about jack but a lot of great golfers had pretty narrow stances.  That helped.

Edited by MeikoKaji, 22 June 2017 - 05:12 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:23 AM

If you think you're eating well, start eating better. It's taken me 5 years to break habits and improve my diet to where I'm at and I've never been overweight, seems like every year I look back and can't believe what I used to eat and what I thought was ok. Between that and staying flexible your whole life will improve and I guarantee those aches and pains will fade.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:04 PM

View PostMeikoKaji, on 22 June 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

]minus the 18 majors that is exactly what i went through.  I can go into tremendous detail of all my injuries in my 40s.  I'll summarize.  

Core strength training and foam rolling solved my plantar, IT band, hip and back pain and i avoided surgery.  Thankfully got great advice from a personal trainer.

Jack's release solved my scapular, shoulder, elbow (golf and tennis!) and forearm issues.  The release is just release as soon as possible and just turn.  It's Monte's no turn, cast drill (just the cast part for me).

Now, I'm pain free 50 and hitting the ball better then i did 15 years ago.  Swing speed went from high 90s to 107-109 range.  The best part is no pain.  I play in a lot of tournaments now, sometimes 72 holes a weekend.  No problem.   There is a lot more detail on each injury but that's broadly it.  The hardest thing to fix was the tennis/golf elbows to be honest.

Edit:  there is more to it about jack but a lot of great golfers had pretty narrow stances.  That helped.

Interesting. We don't hear of too many golfers using Jack as a swing model anymore. I'm no expert, but I wonder if the thing that really caught up with Nicklaus was that reverse C that he did. It's interesting that the Tathata folks love to point out Nicklaus as the best example of an athletic swing. They teach that early release and push back in the legs. However, they really emphasize pushing forward and squeezing the glutes on the follow through and not a reverse C--almost like a modern version of Jack's swing. They claim that the move of pushing the hips forward and squeezing the glutes while keeping the shoulders and hips on a parallel angle will prevent injury.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:48 PM

View Postscopek, on 22 June 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

View PostMeikoKaji, on 22 June 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

]minus the 18 majors that is exactly what i went through.  I can go into tremendous detail of all my injuries in my 40s.  I'll summarize.  

Core strength training and foam rolling solved my plantar, IT band, hip and back pain and i avoided surgery.  Thankfully got great advice from a personal trainer.

Jack's release solved my scapular, shoulder, elbow (golf and tennis!) and forearm issues.  The release is just release as soon as possible and just turn.  It's Monte's no turn, cast drill (just the cast part for me).

Now, I'm pain free 50 and hitting the ball better then i did 15 years ago.  Swing speed went from high 90s to 107-109 range.  The best part is no pain.  I play in a lot of tournaments now, sometimes 72 holes a weekend.  No problem.   There is a lot more detail on each injury but that's broadly it.  The hardest thing to fix was the tennis/golf elbows to be honest.

Edit:  there is more to it about jack but a lot of great golfers had pretty narrow stances.  That helped.

Interesting. We don't hear of too many golfers using Jack as a swing model anymore. I'm no expert, but I wonder if the thing that really caught up with Nicklaus was that reverse C that he did. It's interesting that the Tathata folks love to point out Nicklaus as the best example of an athletic swing. They teach that early release and push back in the legs. However, they really emphasize pushing forward and squeezing the glutes on the follow through and not a reverse C--almost like a modern version of Jack's swing. They claim that the move of pushing the hips forward and squeezing the glutes while keeping the shoulders and hips on a parallel angle will prevent injury.
that's exactly it.  Jack without the C.

Although, in my neck of the woods we are taught to focus on the t'an t'ien, 2 inches below the navel.  If you activate that like you're expecting a punch you can neutralize your lordosis.  The image is a ball below your navel that you rotate around.  For most people they can easily activate that area and it is very easy to develop around that area to protect your back.

I understand the glutes thing although everyone gave Tiger abuse for that, i know what he was trying to do.  I've never tried it as i focus on t'an t'ien.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 10:16 PM

Crap! I saw the topic and immediately ......9 iron and a fire hydrant!

Shorten the swing and pick up some yoga moves.
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