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#1 bervin

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:54 PM

Happy Father's Day to all you dads out there.  Thank you in advance for taking the time to read and respond to my post.

I recently picked up a Mizuno MP Fli Hi head off the BST to use as a driving iron.  I've never gamed a DI, but unquestionably have a need for one, provided it gives me the results I am looking for - A low launching, low spinning penetrating ball flight that performs off the tee on tight holes or short holes where drivers are not the play.

I am pretty new to the world of aftermarket shafts, but after finding good fits for my driver and FW, I now understand the benefit of a properly matched shaft.  The difference for this is, the Fli Hi is a .355 hosel and I have no clue what shafts are available out there.  Please recommend some good (preferably cheaper, even if older) DI shafts with a .355 tip for a high ball, high spin player to achieve a low flight/low spin trajectory.

***Side Note*** Please keep sales offers out of the thread, but I am interested, so please PM!  I am also interested in knowing what shaft you play in yours, even if not a recommendation! Lets see what the most common DI shafts are out there right now!

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:05 PM

I had a fujikura motore speeder 9.8 tour spec shaved down and put in my 712u 2 iron, it's awesome.

As far as what will go straight in, some people just use a project x or DG like they do in their irons, but you can go lighter like c taper light, or recoil or steelfiber.

If you want to put a hybrid shaft in like I did you either have to shave the tip or bore the head.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:09 PM

Thanks for the reply. I should have probably clarified, I definitely prefer to go graphite. I have a DG x100 to the same spec as my MP4s as a fall back but would really like a graphite shaft.

I am hesitant on shaving down. I've had enough people give negative feedback on it from bad experience that I'm definitely concerned...

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:14 PM

I figure that there is enough graphite on the tip of a 100 gram shaft that shaving it down a tad is ok. If you want a graphite shaft that will go straight in then steelfiber or recoil is the way to go IMO.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:17 PM

I've never swung a club with a Steefiber or Recoil in it. My X100s are even from the stone ages (2009). What are the differences between them and a standard steel shaft or vs a graphite?


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:22 PM

Lighter, supposed to be a little less harsh on the joints and with feedback at impact (although I didn't really find that when I tried them). They come in different weights and with different specs so the actual performance will vary depending on the model.

I've used x100s forever and I tried the steelfiber 110 in x and found it felt a lot like a project x 6.5 if that helps you at all. They're pretty stout.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:48 PM

View PostThrillhouse, on 18 June 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

Lighter, supposed to be a little less harsh on the joints and with feedback at impact (although I didn't really find that when I tried them). They come in different weights and with different specs so the actual performance will vary depending on the model.

I've used x100s forever and I tried the steelfiber 110 in x and found it felt a lot like a project x 6.5 if that helps you at all. They're pretty stout.

Okay, thanks.  I will put these into the "under consideration" file...  I imagine they will play pretty similar to me DG x100s, too.

Any other graphite recommendations are encouraged, as well!

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:42 AM

Anyone else have any insight or suggestions??

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

I've always enjoyed the Diamana Thump iron shaft.  They can be had at an economical price, especially considering what you are getting.  Pull-outs on eBay are real inexpensive.  I've also really been happy with the Kuro Kage TiNi Iron shaft as well.  It comes in a 105g X Flex that has a generally smooth feeling.  It's even less expensive than the Thump.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:08 AM

View PostFrom_Parts_Unknown, on 19 June 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

I've always enjoyed the Diamana Thump iron shaft.  They can be had at an economical price, especially considering what you are getting.  Pull-outs on eBay are real inexpensive.  I've also really been happy with the Kuro Kage TiNi Iron shaft as well.  It comes in a 105g X Flex that has a generally smooth feeling.  It's even less expensive than the Thump.

Thanks, love the economical suggestions!

So, having played both of these shafts (presumably in a DI or some variation of) which did you prefer and why?  Did one produce lower LA or spin rates than the other for you?


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:24 AM

If you want economical for a high launch/spin player - Aldila NV 105 iron shaft (not hybrid).  Not much out there lower launching then that.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:34 AM

Thanks, Stuart. I am reading where this is a .370 shaft? Am I wrong?

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:38 AM

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

View PostFrom_Parts_Unknown, on 19 June 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

I've always enjoyed the Diamana Thump iron shaft.  They can be had at an economical price, especially considering what you are getting.  Pull-outs on eBay are real inexpensive.  I've also really been happy with the Kuro Kage TiNi Iron shaft as well.  It comes in a 105g X Flex that has a generally smooth feeling.  It's even less expensive than the Thump.

Thanks, love the economical suggestions!

So, having played both of these shafts (presumably in a DI or some variation of) which did you prefer and why?  Did one produce lower LA or spin rates than the other for you?

The Thump is the more stout, slightly heavier, lower launching, lower spinning shaft of the two.  Kuro Kage is smoother with a little more spin and a little higher launch, but not much.  This comparison is based on both shafts in an X Flex.  Currently I am playing the KK because of the feel and low launching head I'm using.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:40 AM

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

Thanks, Stuart. I am reading where this is a .370 shaft? Am I wrong?

It was available in both .355 tp and .370 (discrete lengths, not single length). But even if you can only find a .370 version it's easy to add the taper to the shaft manually.

e.g. here is a taper listing (although you can likely find it for a little less somewhere else - I've seen them new uncut on ebay for closer to $25 per shaft)

http://www.hirekogol...taper-iron.html

Edited by Stuart G., 19 June 2017 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

View PostStuart G., on 19 June 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

Thanks, Stuart. I am reading where this is a .370 shaft? Am I wrong?

It was available in both .355 tp and .370 (discrete lengths, not single length). But even if you can only find a .370 version it's easy to add the taper to the shaft manually.

e.g. here is a taper listing (although you can likely find it for a little less somewhere else - I've seen them new uncut on ebay for closer to $25 per shaft)

http://www.hirekogol...taper-iron.html

Thanks for the link. I think I'll grab one to give it a shot.

In your estimation, will the 85 launch much higher? I know this can be subjective, but curious if you think 20 grams in the same profile (same shaft as far as I can see) will make much of a difference in LA.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:56 AM

bought a used 712U some time back and came with a stock DGs300 shaft but quickly swapped it out with a recoil f4 110 and really loving it. smooth and easy to hit for me (which long irons is a part i struggle with). would like to get the new 716 T-MB but hitting this combo well right now I don't want to mess with it.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:08 PM

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

View PostStuart G., on 19 June 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

Thanks, Stuart. I am reading where this is a .370 shaft? Am I wrong?

It was available in both .355 tp and .370 (discrete lengths, not single length). But even if you can only find a .370 version it's easy to add the taper to the shaft manually.

e.g. here is a taper listing (although you can likely find it for a little less somewhere else - I've seen them new uncut on ebay for closer to $25 per shaft)

http://www.hirekogol...taper-iron.html

Thanks for the link. I think I'll grab one to give it a shot.

In your estimation, will the 85 launch much higher? I know this can be subjective, but curious if you think 20 grams in the same profile (same shaft as far as I can see) will make much of a difference in LA.

Well, if you can get more club head speed with the lighter version that will likely translate into higher launch.   But I haven't seen any profile data to compare the bend profile of the 85 gm version to the 105 gm version. Typically Aldila likes to keep the profile the same as the weight changes so I might expect it to be fairly similar from the standpoint of the bend profile.  But different weight could mean a different enough swing to get a difference in the amount of loading - and therefore unloading.   So even if they have similar profiles, there could be a difference for some individuals.   Regardless - weight is more important then the profile - so I'd choose based on which shaft weight is a better fit for your swing.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:55 PM

View PostStuart G., on 19 June 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

View PostStuart G., on 19 June 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

Thanks, Stuart. I am reading where this is a .370 shaft? Am I wrong?
It was available in both .355 tp and .370 (discrete lengths, not single length). But even if you can only find a .370 version it's easy to add the taper to the shaft manually. e.g. here is a taper listing (although you can likely find it for a little less somewhere else - I've seen them new uncut on ebay for closer to $25 per shaft) http://www.hirekogol...taper-iron.html
Thanks for the link. I think I'll grab one to give it a shot. In your estimation, will the 85 launch much higher? I know this can be subjective, but curious if you think 20 grams in the same profile (same shaft as far as I can see) will make much of a difference in LA.
Well, if you can get more club head speed with the lighter version that will likely translate into higher launch. But I haven't seen any profile data to compare the bend profile of the 85 gm version to the 105 gm version. Typically Aldila likes to keep the profile the same as the weight changes so I might expect it to be fairly similar from the standpoint of the bend profile. But different weight could mean a different enough swing to get a difference in the amount of loading - and therefore unloading. So even if they have similar profiles, there could be a difference for some individuals. Regardless - weight is more important then the profile - so I'd choose based on which shaft weight is a better fit for your swing.

I am still trying to find the answer to which weight is optimal for my swing.   Wish I had a trackman to compare and understand how weight impacts my ball flight, personally.  Either way, this looks like it will be an inexpensive experiment so I may snag both an 85 and 105 and do some real course analysis.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:17 PM

http://www.ebay.com/...2AAAMXQC-tTD3j1

Is this the same shaft?  Not sure what "ML Ti COMP" is?

Great price...

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:49 PM

View Postbervin, on 19 June 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

http://www.ebay.com/...2AAAMXQC-tTD3j1

Is this the same shaft?  Not sure what "ML Ti COMP" is?

Great price...

Yes.  "NV MLTi Comp 85" is just the full name for the 85 gm version.  The 105 full name is "NV MLTi Pro 105"

Edited by Stuart G., 19 June 2017 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:00 PM

Thanks, snagged an 85 to start.  Will provide feedback in this thread after I get a chance to build and test.  So far, only have $49.97 invested after shipping for the MP Fli Hi head and now NV 85x shaft.

If its a true fairway finder, it'll be worth well more than $50 in my book!

Edited by bervin, 19 June 2017 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:24 AM

Probably a good thing just getting one to start.  Part of me was wondering based on your WITB signiture whether the stiff might be a better fit than the x-stiff.   I know you have the x100's in the irons but stiffs in the longer clubs.  The NV stiff would likely be stiffer then that PF V2 85 stiff hybrid shaft and the x-stiff NV much more so.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:20 AM

I use 110 Steelfibers in my irons and put a 95g Steelfibers in a UDI, very good transition between irons and a 75/80g fairway shaft
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:46 AM

I originally tried to find one in .355  for my 712 U.

After experimenting with recoil, diamana thump, Nippon Modus 120, and PX, which are all .355's, I bit the bullet and put a .370 in there. There just wasn't a .355 that was suitable for me in a DI.

I was worried that shaving down a .370 would compromise the integrity of the shaft, but I can tell you with certainty it does not.

I play a project X 105G 6.5, and it's awesome. Will solve your high spin issues, no doubt.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:25 AM

View PostStuart G., on 20 June 2017 - 04:24 AM, said:

Probably a good thing just getting one to start.  Part of me was wondering based on your WITB signiture whether the stiff might be a better fit than the x-stiff.   I know you have the x100's in the irons but stiffs in the longer clubs.  The NV stiff would likely be stiffer then that PF V2 85 stiff hybrid shaft and the x-stiff NV much more so.

Yeah, I’ve considered this.  I am pretty familiar with the Aldila NV wood shaft offerings.  I played an NV 75 X stiff in a previous driver (FT-5) and a 3 wood (Mcgregor Mactec NVG).  My SS is around 112 avg on course with the driver and I usually don’t have any trouble loading harsher shafts.  The HZRDUS shafts have both been tipped for this reason to play stiffer.  And the V2 85s serves a purpose as well.  I use this club as a high launching, higher spin club.  I am in no way trying to optimize distance with this particular club, but I am able to hold greens quite well and understand what the ball is going to do in the air and once it lands.  I also have always believed weight to be more important than flex anyway.  Furthermore, I believe your equipment should be suited to best achieve the type of shots you want to hit, not the type of distances you want to achieve.  This Driving Iron will play almost strictly as a teebox club where I want to be able to swing freely and go after it.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:27 AM

View PostStinger26, on 20 June 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

I originally tried to find one in .355  for my 712 U.

After experimenting with recoil, diamana thump, Nippon Modus 120, and PX, which are all .355's, I bit the bullet and put a .370 in there. There just wasn't a .355 that was suitable for me in a DI.

I was worried that shaving down a .370 would compromise the integrity of the shaft, but I can tell you with certainty it does not.

I play a project X 105G 6.5, and it's awesome. Will solve your high spin issues, no doubt.

Thanks for the input.  I'll keep this in mind if the Aldila doesn't work out for some reason.  Did you shave the shaft down yourself, or have someone else do it?

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:28 AM

View PostStetson, on 20 June 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

I use 110 Steelfibers in my irons and put a 95g Steelfibers in a UDI, very good transition between irons and a 75/80g fairway shaft

Sort of off topic, but what did you play in your irons, prior to the steelfibers?  Wondering how you feel they compare to steel shafts strictly from a flex perspective.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:54 PM

View Postbervin, on 20 June 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

View PostStinger26, on 20 June 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

I originally tried to find one in .355  for my 712 U.

After experimenting with recoil, diamana thump, Nippon Modus 120, and PX, which are all .355's, I bit the bullet and put a .370 in there. There just wasn't a .355 that was suitable for me in a DI.

I was worried that shaving down a .370 would compromise the integrity of the shaft, but I can tell you with certainty it does not.

I play a project X 105G 6.5, and it's awesome. Will solve your high spin issues, no doubt.

Thanks for the input.  I'll keep this in mind if the Aldila doesn't work out for some reason.  Did you shave the shaft down yourself, or have someone else do it?
Half the fun is experimenting, isn't it? Hopefully the aldila works out for you though.
I had someone else do it. I've done simple steel re-shafts before but I just wasn't comfortable with this one, especially on a shaft that is pretty hard to get right now (thanks to DJ/Rory/Day). But I watched him do it and it really wasn't much. Sanded maybe twice as much as he would do on a .355 and it popped right in.
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#29 Stetson

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:57 PM

View Postbervin, on 20 June 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View PostStetson, on 20 June 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

I use 110 Steelfibers in my irons and put a 95g Steelfibers in a UDI, very good transition between irons and a 75/80g fairway shaft

Sort of off topic, but what did you play in your irons, prior to the steelfibers?  Wondering how you feel they compare to steel shafts strictly from a flex perspective.

Prior to the Steelfibers I played Super Peening Blue, DG Black Gold, PXI's and the trusty X100's. From a flex perspective I think the SF's play closer to a PX than a DG.
Driver: None
3w: Ping G400 SFT (Xtorsion Copperhead)
3H: Exotics EX10 19* (Recoil 680)
3i: Cobra King Utility 21* (Steelfiber 95)
4-P: Bridgestone J40 CB (Steelfiber 110)
Wedges: 51* Edel TRP, 55* Edel DVR, 60* Vokey Links K
Putter: Ping Nome TR

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#30 playoffbeard23

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 02:02 PM

View Postbervin, on 20 June 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

View PostStetson, on 20 June 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

I use 110 Steelfibers in my irons and put a 95g Steelfibers in a UDI, very good transition between irons and a 75/80g fairway shaft

Sort of off topic, but what did you play in your irons, prior to the steelfibers?  Wondering how you feel they compare to steel shafts strictly from a flex perspective.
I also put a Steelfiber 110 X into my 4i that I use as a driving iron. Flight stays low, and they certainly play stout I don't feel like I ever over power it when I have to go after it. I play it soft stepped and the frequency measures out close to the flex of my KBS Tour 125 S+ shafts in the rest of my irons. I have also played X100's ss1x in the past but I like the softer feel of the KBS Tour and now the Steelfiber has me wondering because its a solid shaft that feels verrrrry smooth.

TM R15 460 10.5* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 70x  
TM 08' Burner 3W w/ Speeder 757 X  
TM SLDR 5HL w/ Speeder 757x

Callaway Legacy Black 4i w/ Steelfiber i110x ss1x
Callaway X Forged '13 5-6 w/ KBS Tour S+
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Callaway X Jaws 48.10 KBS Tour S+
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Callaway X Jaws 60.08 KBS Tour S+ ss1x

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