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#1 jlaw6

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:01 PM

Played a round today today, par 3 downhill 180yds. Hit my m2 tour 7 iron pin high within 6 feet. Playing partner had a set of square 2's that were probably 20 years old. He hit an 8 iron short. I took his 8 iron and he hit it on the green 5 yards short of my jacked up 7 iron, with a lower ball flight. Was curious about the differences so i hit his irons as well as mine and noticed it was almost the same distance with irons but had a much higher ball flight with my "jacked" irons. There's a reason why they do this with the new tech in irons.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:15 PM

There's a reason why they do it and a reason why they say they do it, and they aren't the same thing.

The average golfer would be aided by hitting a 40 degree 8 iron higher with the new tech in the head than their old 40 degree 8 iron. For most people hitting it too high isn't an issue, and for the ones for who it is an issue it's because they're dumping the angle on the downswing and their hands are behind the clubhead at impact. Those people would hit any iron too high (and would sacrifice distance).

I'm just not buying the "we need to do it to adjust to the tech" argument. They jack the lofts because people buy new irons when they go 10 yards further, and they knock down the CG so they can jack up the lofts as much as possible.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:21 PM

Can someone explain the downside to the jacked lofts? Meaning what is the sacrifice. It's been my experience you don't get something for nothing. Drivers that claim they are longer usually sacrifice forgiveness

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:26 PM

View PostTMelectric, on 18 June 2017 - 05:21 PM, said:

Can someone explain the downside to the jacked lofts? Meaning what is the sacrifice. It's been my experience you don't get something for nothing. Drivers that claim they are longer usually sacrifice forgiveness

There's no downside or upside, the clubs are the same they just have different numbers on the bottom.

All it really does is mess around with club gapping in the rest of your bag.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:33 PM

There is no downside. I have no gapping issues with my m2 Tour irons. I have a standard a wedge with my set and a 54 and 60 degree wedge. People like to complain about change,that's the only downside.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:39 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

There is no downside. I have no gapping issues with my m2 Tour irons. I have a standard a wedge with my set and a 54 and 60 degree wedge. People like to complain about change,that's the only downside.

Right, you have a standard A wedge with your set because the PW is now too strong to fill that gap. I played with a 48 degree PW my whole life and then went 54-60. I still don't play with irons that are overly strong (47 degree wedge), but now dropped the 3 iron and I go 52-56-60. I'd actually like to try irons with a little bit stronger lofts, and a 46 degree wedge, but then I'd have to change my wedge lofts again and go with a 50 degree gap wedge, which then causes a chain reaction of having to figure out all the yardages for all my wedge swings.

So there are legitimate gapping concerns here when it comes to set makeup, it's not just people complaining about change.

Edited by Thrillhouse, 18 June 2017 - 05:39 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:40 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

There is no downside. I have no gapping issues with my m2 Tour irons. I have a standard a wedge with my set and a 54 and 60 degree wedge. People like to complain about change,that's the only downside.

The downside is the lack of spin for stopping power. My Apex Pros will have the same peak height as "jacked" irons but there's 2000 rpms less spin. It's not a mystery why they go further.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:50 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

There is no downside. I have no gapping issues with my m2 Tour irons. I have a standard a wedge with my set and a 54 and 60 degree wedge. People like to complain about change,that's the only downside.

If you had 3 clubs in your bag, a driver, 5i and GW, then you can have no gapping issues, a 250 club a 175 club and a 100 club. Doesn't mean that I'd be happy to play with those gaps.
Each to their own, but tighter 4/3 loft gaps means it's easier to hit the require number to the pin.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:52 PM

Is there really that big of difference between a 45 and 47 degree p wedge? I guess i don't see the difference in spin because of my high ball flight. Used to play ap2's for reference. First time posting on here and read a lot of reviews on the newer jacked lofted irons and people complaining about them. Just giving my personal opinion i don't see a difference in it to be an issue.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:56 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

Is there really that big of difference between a 45 and 47 degree p wedge? I guess i don't see the difference in spin because of my high ball flight. Used to play ap2's for reference. First time posting on here and read a lot of reviews on the newer jacked lofted irons and people complaining about them. Just giving my personal opinion i don't see a difference in it to be an issue.

Yeah, in a short iron where I have 15 yard gaps it's going to go about 8 yards further for me (maybe more depending on what they've done to the head and how it affects my spin rate). Then like I said I have to adjust my wedges, which means my 7:30, 9:00, 10:30 wedge swings will go different distances and trajectories, so I have to re learn all that stuff.

Also the reason why I'd like to try stronger lofts is because I'd like to hit my 4 and 5 iron a smidge further because I no longer have a 3 iron between my 2 (driving) iron and my 4 iron, which is kind of a weird gap that I don't like. Hitting my 7 iron further does nothing for me.

Edited by Thrillhouse, 18 June 2017 - 05:58 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:58 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

Is there really that big of difference between a 45 and 47 degree p wedge? I guess i don't see the difference in spin because of my high ball flight. Used to play ap2's for reference. First time posting on here and read a lot of reviews on the newer jacked lofted irons and people complaining about them. Just giving my personal opinion i don't see a difference in it to be an issue.

Unless you're hitting low spin moon balls with AP2's you're sacrificing stopping power. That's a horrible sacrifice for most recreational golfers.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:04 PM

I'm not seeing any difference in spin to be honest. I'm sure there is but i don't have something out on the course to measure my spin numbers. Curious to see what people think that went from more of a players iron to a game improvement iron have experienced

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:07 PM

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:17 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

I'm not seeing any difference in spin to be honest. I'm sure there is but i don't have something out on the course to measure my spin numbers. Curious to see what people think that went from more of a players iron to a game improvement iron have experienced

Yeah but your test wasn't exactly scientific. You're saying you hit your clubs and the 20 year old clubs the same distance (or further if you hit his 8 iron only 5 yards short of your 7 iron), but you hit yours higher, and based on that you're concluding that jacked up lofts are no big deal. Honestly you don't know the specs of his clubs (don't even know if you know the specs of your own), and you got an odd result because you should have hit your M2s further (assuming the lofts are stronger/shafts are longer).

It's fine to have an opinion or to share an experience, but I don't really know what I'm supposed to do with this other than say ok, you had a neat day today, thanks for sharing what happened!

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:23 PM

I hit his irons next to mine all day. I know the lofts of mine. Doubt a 20 year old set of irons has the same jacked lofts as my new irons


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:25 PM

The players are jacked, so they need lofts to match.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:25 PM

I don't need a computer to tell me how much my ball is spinning when i can see what it's doing on the course. No significant difference than ap2's other than an extra 5 yards with my new irons

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:28 PM

View PostTMelectric, on 18 June 2017 - 05:21 PM, said:

Can someone explain the downside to the jacked lofts? Meaning what is the sacrifice. It's been my experience you don't get something for nothing. Drivers that claim they are longer usually sacrifice forgiveness

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:28 PM

View Postjlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

I hit his irons next to mine all day. I know the lofts of mine. Doubt a 20 year old set of irons has the same jacked lofts as my new irons

And that being the case which defies what we know about golf equipment and the physics of what makes the ball go the distance it goes is why I would love to both see you run this test on trackman so I could see the numbers, and why I'd like to know the specs of his clubs.

And of course I know that's not going to happen, so I'm glad you had a day!

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:35 PM

Your glad i had a day! Lol? Wtf are you talking about? Just making an observation be. Everything doesn't need to scientific and over analyzed


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:36 PM

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:38 PM

Probably about 8 iron shots with both

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:59 PM

 jlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

Your glad i had a day! Lol? Wtf are you talking about? Just making an observation be. Everything doesn't need to scientific and over analyzed

Right, you hit a few shots and made an observation, so we can't do anything more with this information than say thanks for sharing! And move on.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:13 PM

You're a ******

Doush incase you didn't know what i wrote

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#25 Thrillhouse

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:26 PM

 jlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

You're a ******

Doush incase you didn't know what i wrote

Golf nerd who knows everything

Lol chill out man it's a discussion board, this is a discussion.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:37 PM

 jlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

You're a ******

Doush incase you didn't know what i wrote

Golf nerd who knows everything
Actually, Thrillhouse is a former golfing pro and knows more about golf than you can imagine. Plus, he's extremely funny if you pay attention to what he posts. But thanks for sharing your story! :-)

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#27 Thrillhouse

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:39 PM

 golferdrmjr, on 18 June 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

 jlaw6, on 18 June 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

You're a ******

Doush incase you didn't know what i wrote

Golf nerd who knows everything
Actually, Thrillhouse is a former golfing pro and knows more about golf than you can imagine. Plus, he's extremely funny if you pay attention to what he posts. But thanks for sharing your story! :-)

I mean to be fair I do like to debate and I am pretty antagonistic at times.

I'm usually worse than I was in this thread before someone calls me a ***** though lol!

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:07 PM

Jacked up Lofts; Check the Power Spec Lofts of the revered PING I200 against the everything that is wrong with golf the M1 irons. on a 5-GW set the only significant difference.

i200 5 Iron 25 degree; M1 23 degree; I200 6 iron 28 degree; M1 26.5 degree; all other clubs within .5 to 1 difference.

The new standard.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:18 PM

 USGA22, on 18 June 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Jacked up Lofts; Check the Power Spec Lofts of the revered PING I200 against the everything that is wrong with golf the M1 irons. on a 5-GW set the only significant difference.

i200 5 Iron 25 degree; M1 23 degree; I200 6 iron 28 degree; M1 26.5 degree; all other clubs within .5 to 1 difference.

The new standard.

That's everything wrong with golf?

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:42 PM

 LeoLeo99, on 18 June 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

 USGA22, on 18 June 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Jacked up Lofts; Check the Power Spec Lofts of the revered PING I200 against the everything that is wrong with golf the M1 irons. on a 5-GW set the only significant difference.

i200 5 Iron 25 degree; M1 23 degree; I200 6 iron 28 degree; M1 26.5 degree; all other clubs within .5 to 1 difference.

The new standard.

That's everything wrong with golf?

The line was there for one reason, as I read a lot of message boards and watch a lot of reviews on youtube. One thing is consistent, jacked up lofts on TM game improvement irons are ridiculous, and it was meant to be funny.


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