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#1 Kale_m

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:57 PM

Have a M2 HL 3 wood now, can't seem to be consistent with it. And when I do it is LONG. Almost to long, like off the tee 275 carry. But it likes to hook.

I also have a 712u 3 iron that I love! Have a ad di85x in it and it is never leaving my bag.

So thinking of what to get to go between the driver and the 3 iron.

Another 712u 2 iron or a 2 hybrid (17*)

I don't have any trouble launching the 3 iron to hold greens

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:18 AM

Will totally depend on what the course(s) you play demand.  220-260 is a rare yardage.  Based on how far you hit the HL, it's unlikely that 220-260 would come into play as a second shot that often (if at all, presuming driver of 290+, and low 7000yd course).  So, if you're looking to use it as a secondary off the tee club, figure out what the courses you play call for and go that way (i.e. max carry ~18* FW, mix - ~17-18* hybrid, more run, lower - 18* DI).

I hit similar distance, and unless I'm playing a tour-like layout, my three wood is purely for tee-shots (even 575-600yd par 5's are usually dog-legged or with prevailing wind leaving <240 in on second at most).
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:12 AM

Had the same type of issue.  I ended up doing with a 1.5 hybrid (Adams XTD TI 18deg, lofted down to 17ish) and it has been a dream.  Still figuring out what shaft I like (currently a Matrix hm3 105X), but it produces this mid launch bullet.  Just perfect off the tee as it gives you more distance and run out than an iron would, and with it being a hybrid, works great out of any lie on par 5 second shots.  One of the better bag decision I've made was going away from a traditional driver - 3wd set up.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:48 AM

Have you considered a 4 wood instead? I had a heck of a time hitting my 3 wood / 2 hybrid, so tried an X2 Hot 4 wood and it just flies.
Much easier to hit than the 3, and goes nearly as far. Most of the time it goes further because it's so much easier to hit.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:11 AM

 Shifty76, on 19 June 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Have you considered a 4 wood instead? I had a heck of a time hitting my 3 wood / 2 hybrid, so tried an X2 Hot 4 wood and it just flies.
Much easier to hit than the 3, and goes nearly as far. Most of the time it goes further because it's so much easier to hit.

The 3HL is a 4-wood (16.5*) just for a FYI

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:14 AM

 Stetson, on 19 June 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

 Shifty76, on 19 June 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Have you considered a 4 wood instead? I had a heck of a time hitting my 3 wood / 2 hybrid, so tried an X2 Hot 4 wood and it just flies.
Much easier to hit than the 3, and goes nearly as far. Most of the time it goes further because it's so much easier to hit.

The 3HL is a 4-wood (16.5*) just for a FYI

Huh, TIL. Thanks

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:14 AM

 Shifty76, on 19 June 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Have you considered a 4 wood instead? I had a heck of a time hitting my 3 wood / 2 hybrid, so tried an X2 Hot 4 wood and it just flies.
Much easier to hit than the 3, and goes nearly as far. Most of the time it goes further because it's so much easier to hit.

What's a 4 wood? 17* my HL3wood is 16.5*. No real difference.

I can hit my 712u 3 iron 240. So looking for that 250-270 distance. But with less lefts and more consistency.

Thinking the new M2 tour 5 wood might be the right move.

I hit the M2 tour HL 3w and it was awesome. But it went to far, almost would not need a driver. I hit my buddies M2 15* 3 wood the other day and it was 20 yards behind my driver...don't really need that haha

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:05 AM

 BackNineCollapse, on 18 June 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Will totally depend on what the course(s) you play demand.  220-260 is a rare yardage.  Based on how far you hit the HL, it's unlikely that 220-260 would come into play as a second shot that often (if at all, presuming driver of 290+, and low 7000yd course).  So, if you're looking to use it as a secondary off the tee club, figure out what the courses you play call for and go that way (i.e. max carry ~18* FW, mix - ~17-18* hybrid, more run, lower - 18* DI).

I hit similar distance, and unless I'm playing a tour-like layout, my three wood is purely for tee-shots (even 575-600yd par 5's are usually dog-legged or with prevailing wind leaving <240 in on second at most).

Really agree with this.  Course should dictate setup if you have the means to do so.

OP, I am in a very similar situation as you and do not find myself needing my X2Hot 2deep that often (260-270).  I hit my 20* Hybrid 230 ish with high launch and mid spin, so it holds fine.  At 7000 yards, my home courses rarely call for more than 230 yard shots.  The 2deep is pretty nice is the driver gets crooked, though.  I would recommend getting something that suits your yardage needs on the courses you play consistently.  This of course unless you travel and play different courses often.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:25 AM

I would just add that there is no such thing as a 'real' 3w being too long (i.e. a ~15*+, normal length 3w).  I guarantee the first thought JT had after hitting the 18th green Saturday was not "Damn, I hit this too far".  Usually when people say they hit their 3w too far, they mean relative to their driver.  That's not a problem with the 3w, it's a problem with the driver.  2"(+) of shaft length, and more optimized CG/strike location should result in a significant distance advantage for the driver.  If it does not, the driver is not optimized for you, or you lack confidence in it and are not swinging as freely.

A lot of people feel more confident with a 3w off the tee.  This often results in a compressed gap between it and their driver.  The answer is not to neuter the 3w though...  You can easily drop 10-15 yds by choking up an inch on your 3w.  If you substitute a shorter club, you've given up the ability to hit the longer shot, and gained nothing...
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:46 AM

 BackNineCollapse, on 19 June 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

I would just add that there is no such thing as a 'real' 3w being too long (i.e. a ~15*+, normal length 3w).  I guarantee the first thought JT had after hitting the 18th green Saturday was not "Damn, I hit this too far".  Usually when people say they hit their 3w too far, they mean relative to their driver.  That's not a problem with the 3w, it's a problem with the driver.  2"(+) of shaft length, and more optimized CG/strike location should result in a significant distance advantage for the driver.  If it does not, the driver is not optimized for you, or you lack confidence in it and are not swinging as freely.

A lot of people feel more confident with a 3w off the tee.  This often results in a compressed gap between it and their driver.  The answer is not to neuter the 3w though...  You can easily drop 10-15 yds by choking up an inch on your 3w.  If you substitute a shorter club, you've given up the ability to hit the longer shot, and gained nothing...

While there is a good discussion here based on what you're saying, course setup plays a huge role on whether a FW or driver or whatever is "too long".

I have a course I play locally once or twice a month that never requires a FW. Longest approach I've ever had into any of the Par 5s on second shot is 220. My hybrid, 4 or 5 iron covers that depending on wind. Mostly drivers off of tee box and hybrid is better yardage for tee shots that driver isn't the play. Therefore, the FW could be viewed as "too long" for that specific course.

So in a vacuum, no - it can't be too long. But there could be more to the story there...


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:15 PM

Of course a 3w can be too long. The driver is the only club in the bag in which distance should be a maximum, everything else should have a specific function. From your wedge through your 3w we should be about trying to land the ball on a target.  When trying to shoot the best possible score every club besides driver should have a target distance that over the course of 18 holes ensures a club is always available to get as close to the target as possible.

Yardage gaps should start with your highest lofted wedge and get set progressively working towards the 3w, not start at the 3w and work towards the wedges.  A 3w that travels 35 yards longer than the next longest club is not helping a player shoot lower scores, it is essentially serving as a short driver.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:23 PM

 bervin, on 19 June 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

 BackNineCollapse, on 19 June 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

I would just add that there is no such thing as a 'real' 3w being too long (i.e. a ~15*+, normal length 3w).  I guarantee the first thought JT had after hitting the 18th green Saturday was not "Damn, I hit this too far".  Usually when people say they hit their 3w too far, they mean relative to their driver.  That's not a problem with the 3w, it's a problem with the driver.  2"(+) of shaft length, and more optimized CG/strike location should result in a significant distance advantage for the driver.  If it does not, the driver is not optimized for you, or you lack confidence in it and are not swinging as freely.

A lot of people feel more confident with a 3w off the tee.  This often results in a compressed gap between it and their driver.  The answer is not to neuter the 3w though...  You can easily drop 10-15 yds by choking up an inch on your 3w.  If you substitute a shorter club, you've given up the ability to hit the longer shot, and gained nothing...

While there is a good discussion here based on what you're saying, course setup plays a huge role on whether a FW or driver or whatever is "too long".

I have a course I play locally once or twice a month that never requires a FW. Longest approach I've ever had into any of the Par 5s on second shot is 220. My hybrid, 4 or 5 iron covers that depending on wind. Mostly drivers off of tee box and hybrid is better yardage for tee shots that driver isn't the play. Therefore, the FW could be viewed as "too long" for that specific course.

So in a vacuum, no - it can't be too long. But there could be more to the story there...

This is perfectly written.

I have virtually the exact same problem as OP. I bought the 16.5 M2 tour and got it built at 42 inches thinking I could take 10 yards off and it actually made it longer. My course from blue tees (where most tournaments are) has no use for this club. It is definitely a good club from the tips so I will keep it. I have a 3 iron TMB and love it and am considering getting a 2 iron as well to put to better use on a course that I play most of my rounds at. Let me know what you come up with OP.
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