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What a terrific US Open !


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#211 PGArox

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:30 PM

View PostShilgy, on 18 June 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

A lot of the folks being disappointed in this year's open are likely going to be disappointed a lot in the future. The days of tree lined tough guess is over. Most courses that fall into that description are removing trees as shade and no sir movement do not make for good grass growing. As for those that say the rich at Shinnecock can go play elsewhere while we enjoy their baked out course at the future open. Unlikely. Why would anyone/any club let that happen to their club again just so folks can piss and moan about the venue? The USGA is in a more realistic mode these days imo and a test does not have to be a farce.

Lot of truth in this, Shilgy.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:37 PM

There seem to be an inordinate amount of yellers there today.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:24 PM

Brooks kind of boring in interview

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:36 PM

View Postronnbee, on 18 June 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

Brooks kind of boring in interview

I'm good with that. Short.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:07 PM

There is certainly is some sour grapes in Miller's retort.  However, interesting the U.S. Open was, and it was fun to watch, it was pretty much a show about power.  This course did not live up to what is expected of a U.S. Open Championship.  

Young guys will love the show of power, that is where the game has taken them.  Older players are scratching their head about where was the difficulty expected of a U.S. Open.  


What is interesting though is the attitude of the USGA.  Are we seeing what is going to be the type of U.S. Open for the future, have they changed their attitude about par being a challenge?  


I enjoyed the tournament but hope to never see another U.S. Open like it.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:14 PM

View Postronnbee, on 18 June 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

Brooks kind of boring in interview

A little. Might need a p/r specialist to join the team to perk him up a bit for the mike. Commercials might be coming his way so need to be as polished as possible. He's not horrible btw, just need to take advantage of his new fame.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:21 PM

View Postbullie76, on 18 June 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

View Postronnbee, on 18 June 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

Brooks kind of boring in interview

A little. Might need a p/r specialist to join the team to perk him up a bit for the mike. Commercials might be coming his way so need to be as polished as possible. He's not horrible btw, just need to take advantage of his new fame.

Curtis was doing the interview.  Need more be said?

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:23 PM

Pretty forgettable US Open really, not to take away from Koepka, he was brilliant under pressure, but not much about the course, the finish or the general event that will last long in the memory. Apart from random players from this event showing up in various US Open scoring records.

Probably the least interesting one since 2014. Despite it being a good thing that they didn't ruin the course like Chambers Bay, that final round was a lot more entertaining than this one.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:42 PM

View PostDave230, on 18 June 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

Pretty forgettable US Open really, not to take away from Koepka, he was brilliant under pressure, but not much about the course, the finish or the general event that will last long in the memory. Apart from random players from this event showing up in various US Open scoring records.

Probably the least interesting one since 2014. Despite it being a good thing that they didn't ruin the course like Chambers Bay, that final round was a lot more entertaining than this one.

Well said

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:49 PM

One thing to also consider is that only super hard core golf fans want to see players struggle.  The young kids that may be watching on Fox for the first time ever aren't going to take up the game if they watch the best players in the world play awful.  What chance do they have if pros can't play good?  The USGA is making US Open courses a little easier so it's not just a slop fest partly because the only way to grow the game is to show off talent.  

The reason golf boomed in the late 90's and early 2000's wasn't just because Tiger was just a good player.  He was a good player that made incredible shots and played amazing golf that got people interested in the game and set records in major tournaments.  Having to make 10 foot par putts on every hole to win at +2 isn't interesting to the mass public.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:52 PM

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:06 PM

The only two things I really disliked about this US Open was the lack of superstars on the leaderboard and the the lack of a anti aircraft weapon to take out the USGA protest plane.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:26 AM

This Open had all the memorability of Orville Moody at Houston Champions.
If the USGA thinks Erin Hills is a great golf course, then I'm ready to stop giving them money after 35 years.
11,000 yards long and -16 wins?!?!
Why move tees up on into-the-wind holes? Why can't even the big hitters occasionally have to hit a 4 or 5 iron second shot?
How many fairways and GIR did Koepka have? The number was off the charts for an average tour event, much less a US Open.
He played great, no doubt. But the width of the fairways and the sheer size of the greens were absurd.
And the greens had more backboards and sideboards than miniature golf.
Just awful!

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:29 AM

I think describing this US Open as terrific is really stretching things. The course itself, was fine, it looked good and can surely only get better but in terms of high points over the course of the week, there were very few.

Typically, when a major is on, I have my feet up on the couch and I am watching it intently. I wasn't able to do that on Saturday night but Friday I was an in spite of having watched the entire broadcast, I genuinely have very little memory of anything that happened. The big names hardly showed up, the golf that they played was poor and uninspired. Then last night, I went to bed when the final group got through the back 9. I don't feel like I missed very much.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:32 AM

I prefer it when the superstars win the big golf
Tournaments but good for brooks

View Postjohnnypro, on 19 June 2017 - 12:26 AM, said:

This Open had all the memorability of Orville Moody at Houston Champions.
If the USGA thinks Erin Hills is a great golf course, then I'm ready to stop giving them money after 35 years.
11,000 yards long and -16 wins?!?!
Why move tees up on into-the-wind holes? Why can't even the big hitters occasionally have to hit a 4 or 5 iron second shot?
How many fairways and GIR did Koepka have? The number was off the charts for an average tour event, much less a US Open.
He played great, no doubt. But the width of the fairways and the sheer size of the greens were absurd.
And the greens had more backboards and sideboards than miniature golf.
Just awful!

R u Johnny miller


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:30 AM

Positives -
Brooks is a worthy champion.
Erin Hills is a decent course.
The USGA didn't screw up big time.

Negatives -
Course set-up wasn't great for a major.
Too many idiots yelling after every shot.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:50 AM

I love the Major's  and for me the US open was always something I looked forward to.   I hate to say it but this was an absolute bore of a tournament.  There was no excitement or any drama leading up to the finish and that was a direct result of the way the USGA set up this event.    They can talk about these massive par 5's all the want... but when its downwind... downhill....on a rock hard wide fairway... these guys can hit 3 wood iron all day and it doesn't matter.    Maybe the British open will start playing on tree lined courses with tight fairways with  deep rough around the greens.   We will see the same type of golf in a month... Hopefully the wind will blow and make the British somewhat enjoyable.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:53 AM

View PostThainer, on 19 June 2017 - 05:32 AM, said:

I prefer it when the superstars win the big golf
Tournaments but good for brooks

View Postjohnnypro, on 19 June 2017 - 12:26 AM, said:

This Open had all the memorability of Orville Moody at Houston Champions.
If the USGA thinks Erin Hills is a great golf course, then I'm ready to stop giving them money after 35 years.
11,000 yards long and -16 wins?!?!
Why move tees up on into-the-wind holes? Why can't even the big hitters occasionally have to hit a 4 or 5 iron second shot?
How many fairways and GIR did Koepka have? The number was off the charts for an average tour event, much less a US Open.
He played great, no doubt. But the width of the fairways and the sheer size of the greens were absurd.
And the greens had more backboards and sideboards than miniature golf.
Just awful!

R u Johnny miller

I would argue that Brooks is on the verge of superstardom. He has a ton of top 5s in majors and may have turned a corner with his confidence.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:56 AM

this was one of the worst majors in recent memory. lots of bad golf. Koepka was great, but it was not a good tournament

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:07 AM

I thought this USO was a tad boring, lacking the excitement often times inherent to some more exciting golfers. I was happy for Koepka winning, but he's really sort of a boring personality if you ask me. Plus, I like it when the leading scores are right around even par, not 16 under. To me, the broadcast was sort of boring, lacking pizazz.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:37 AM

I enjoyed what I watched of the US Open, though I didn't enjoy the time difference (about 13-14 hours). One thing that stood out to me was the seeming lack of spectators. With the wide fairways and swathes of fescue, the spectators barely made it into many of the scenes.
I'd be interested to hear from anyone who went what it was like actually being there. My impression from the TV was that there weren't many places to watch close up from the fairways, but there were on the tees and around some greens. Is that a fair assessment, or were the TV images misleading.

Oh, and Hideki Matsuyama appeared to have three cameramen following him at times. Was this normal?
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:08 AM

I was there on Saturday, which was sold out. I spent most of the day in the grandstands on 9 and could also watch the green on 18 from our seats. The grandstands were full all day and there were crowds on all the hills I could see. The preference seemed to be to find a high spot so you could watch multiple holes rather than just trying to be close for one shot.

The popular groups did seem to have 2-3 extra cameras with them when they came through.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:15 AM

View Postklebs01, on 19 June 2017 - 09:08 AM, said:

I was there on Saturday, which was sold out. I spent most of the day in the grandstands on 9 and could also watch the green on 18 from our seats. The grandstands were full all day and there were crowds on all the hills I could see. The preference seemed to be to find a high spot so you could watch multiple holes rather than just trying to be close for one shot.

The popular groups did seem to have 2-3 extra cameras with them when they came through.

That makes sense. When the grandstands were in the shot, they always seemed full. I guess the wide fairways and what have you just kept spectators out of the (TV) shot.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:33 AM

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:47 AM

View PostMatchplay10033, on 19 June 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

I love the Major's  and for me the US open was always something I looked forward to.   I hate to say it but this was an absolute bore of a tournament.  There was no excitement or any drama leading up to the finish and that was a direct result of the way the USGA set up this event. They can talk about these massive par 5's all the want... but when its downwind... downhill....on a rock hard wide fairway... these guys can hit 3 wood iron all day and it doesn't matter. Maybe the British open will start playing on tree lined courses with tight fairways with  deep rough around the greens.   We will see the same type of golf in a month... Hopefully the wind will blow and make the British somewhat enjoyable.
what tournament were you watching? Fairways were quite soft really. There were half a dozen guys with a chance to win on the final nine and one grabbed the win with stellar play.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:46 PM

Oakmont us open was great with Dustins shot to 18

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:54 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 18 June 2017 - 05:37 PM, said:

There seem to be an inordinate amount of yellers there today.

Tasers are needed.

This seems like such an easy problem to fix

1. On broadcast, STOP broadcasting audio after swing, switch to audio at landing area and have a general ambient sound mic somewhere you can fade in. You could even get a directional mic which ONLY picks up club sound and ignores sound that's a couple of feet away from the mic.  Then in the background have an ambient mic which picks up wind and other general noises, even crowd noise.

2. Remove yellers immediately from the course

I don't understand why no 1 is not super easy to implement. If done correctly, nobody at home would ever realize what is going on. Hell, I'd be ok with a completely faked recorded noise if it were seamless.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:05 PM

View Postnix, on 19 June 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 18 June 2017 - 05:37 PM, said:

There seem to be an inordinate amount of yellers there today.

Tasers are needed.

This seems like such an easy problem to fix

1. On broadcast, STOP broadcasting audio after swing, switch to audio at landing area and have a general ambient sound mic somewhere you can fade in. You could even get a directional mic which ONLY picks up club sound and ignores sound that's a couple of feet away from the mic.  Then in the background have an ambient mic which picks up wind and other general noises, even crowd noise.

2. Remove yellers immediately from the course

I don't understand why no 1 is not super easy to implement. If done correctly, nobody at home would ever realize what is going on. Hell, I'd be ok with a completely faked recorded noise if it were seamless.

The broadcast I was watching seemed to be using a different version of that; whenever one of the commentators asked Curtis Strange something, the mic went silent, and they would cut away to a different shot. It was a bit weird, to be honest.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:09 PM

View PostCouples1, on 17 June 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

Great course
great golf
fun leaderboard even w/o a major player

Fox has been really good ... Zinger isn't mumbling, Buck is much improved, Fax terrific. Interviews with the Baconator are short and informative. Inkster is soooo much better than Dottie more Pepper.

The Ken Brown features are very cool ... He needs a bigger role

Limited time with Teflon Holly ... thank god

No mention of that puke Mike Davis for hours. No David I'm so smart Fay interviews.

Nice job Fox ... blowing away CBS miserable Masters coverage. Could you imagine Kostis with his boy Paul Casey in contention like this especially after another triple bogie. Or Ian Baker Duck Hook with only one Aussie playing well and he doesn't even know Leishman is from there.

Tomorrow should be quite a day !

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:09 PM

View Postbaaron008, on 19 June 2017 - 06:53 AM, said:

I would argue that Brooks is on the verge of superstardom. He has a ton of top 5s in majors and may have turned a corner with his confidence.

Brooks definitely elevates his game in the majors.  His three starts in the Masters have produced, in order, finishes of 33rd, 21st and 11th.  Great trend there, and he certainly appears to have the game necessary to don the coveted green jacket.

Since turning pro his U.S. Open finishes have gone 4th, 18th, 13th and 1st.  He tied 10th in his last British Open appearance, at St. Andrews in 2015, and his last three PGA Championship finishes are 15th, 5th and 4th.

Rare is the golfer who not only steps up his game for the biggest championships, but also plays well in all four majors.

Brooks Koepka is definitely on the brink of stardom, and he will certainly win more major championships.

Edited by PGArox, 19 June 2017 - 06:11 PM.


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