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Who here has played Pine Valley?


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#31 rsh0308

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 04:29 PM

How are you guys getting on these courses?!  So jealous.
I live in Philadelphia and golfing most of my life. Professional adult and I've never even sniffed Pine Valley, Merion, Cricket, or Aronimink.
I've played Trump National or the old Pine Hill, which is close to PV...
Get me on, I'd be happy to pay my own guest fee 😜.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 04:33 PM

I have never played Merion but the PV member that hosts me (41 years as a member) says that Merion is harder.. My best explanation of PV is that it's demanding!!! But if you can keep the the ball in front of you for the most part, you can throw up a pretty descent score. If your hitting it crooked, the course will eat your lunch quick.. I just love the variety of clubs you hit from the tee to hitting into greens.. Every club in my bag gets used for sure!!!

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 04:57 PM

 rsh0308, on 22 June 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

How are you guys getting on these courses?!  So jealous.
I live in Philadelphia and golfing most of my life. Professional adult and I've never even sniffed Pine Valley, Merion, Cricket, or Aronimink.
I've played Trump National or the old Pine Hill, which is close to PV...
Get me on, I'd be happy to pay my own guest fee ��.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:08 AM

 rsh0308, on 22 June 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

How are you guys getting on these courses?!  So jealous.
I live in Philadelphia and golfing most of my life. Professional adult and I've never even sniffed Pine Valley, Merion, Cricket, or Aronimink.
I've played Trump National or the old Pine Hill, which is close to PV...
Get me on, I'd be happy to pay my own guest fee ��.

I know it's a terrible answer, but honestly the easiest way on those courses is probably not through invite, but to be a tournament golfer.  PV hosted 2012 GAP open, Merion GAP AM last year, Aronimink US AM qualifying last year, Cricket the GAP AM this year and US MID AM qualifier last year, ect.  Play for a club in the annual GAP matches and hope you get a good draw.  We're very lucky here to have these courses allow tournament play they way they do through GAP(who run great events).  That's not even including PA state events, so you can include Oakmont/LV/Fox Chapel in there too.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:35 AM

Out or curiosity, for those that have played.  What are the guest fees?


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:03 AM

 wrigley, on 23 June 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Out or curiosity, for those that have played.  What are the guest fees?

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:39 AM

PV is a special place. The fairways are plenty generous, so it you keep it in the fairway, you're going to be fine. Get off the fairway, and the trouble is SO penal it's devastating. No rakes in the bunkers, so you're playing out of footprints, and maybe from on top of/under leaves. Some bunkers are under low-hanging tree limbs, and some are 6'+ deep and only 3' wide at the bottom. Go over almost any green, and you're in a world of hurt. There's only 10 yards or so of rough anywhere before you're into unplayable brush/woods. But, again, the fairways are generous enough to give yourself a chance to start each hole in good shape. You don't have to be particularly long off any tee -- you just need to be able to hit it within the range your caddie give you.

It's really just a special, special place.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:30 AM

 rsh0308, on 22 June 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

How are you guys getting on these courses?!  So jealous.
I live in Philadelphia and golfing most of my life. Professional adult and I've never even sniffed Pine Valley, Merion, Cricket, or Aronimink.
I've played Trump National or the old Pine Hill, which is close to PV...
Get me on, I'd be happy to pay my own guest fee ��.

Luck and timing for me honestly. My old coach is close to a member and he also works with my sister now. My brother n law turned 40 and is a massive golf addict and my sister wanted to do something special and asked my old coach. Well that turned into me and him both getting on PV. Only bummer was I have a friend who caddied at PV for years and stop a few months before I got to play. Would of love to have him on my bag for my first time there.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:31 AM

 KMeloney, on 23 June 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

PV is a special place. The fairways are plenty generous, so it you keep it in the fairway, you're going to be fine. Get off the fairway, and the trouble is SO penal it's devastating. No rakes in the bunkers, so you're playing out of footprints, and maybe from on top of/under leaves. Some bunkers are under low-hanging tree limbs, and some are 6'+ deep and only 3' wide at the bottom. Go over almost any green, and you're in a world of hurt. There's only 10 yards or so of rough anywhere before you're into unplayable brush/woods. But, again, the fairways are generous enough to give yourself a chance to start each hole in good shape. You don't have to be particularly long off any tee -- you just need to be able to hit it within the range your caddie give you.

It's really just a special, special place.
Couldn't of said it any better.
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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:27 AM

 Stylez, on 23 June 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

 KMeloney, on 23 June 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

PV is a special place. The fairways are plenty generous, so it you keep it in the fairway, you're going to be fine. Get off the fairway, and the trouble is SO penal it's devastating. No rakes in the bunkers, so you're playing out of footprints, and maybe from on top of/under leaves. Some bunkers are under low-hanging tree limbs, and some are 6'+ deep and only 3' wide at the bottom. Go over almost any green, and you're in a world of hurt. There's only 10 yards or so of rough anywhere before you're into unplayable brush/woods. But, again, the fairways are generous enough to give yourself a chance to start each hole in good shape. You don't have to be particularly long off any tee -- you just need to be able to hit it within the range your caddie give you.

It's really just a special, special place.
Couldn't of said it any better.

Agreed, but the place ate me up the first time... well, both times.  The second time I left driver in the bag a little more and found it more enjoyable.  

I got on because my best buddy and his wife are both partners at a major firm in NYC and one of their fellow partners is a member.  It was a gift to me both times and I was more than happy to oblige.

That being said, IMVHO, I don't think it's the best course in the world or even the best course I've played.  A wonderful place nonetheless.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

Overrated.

Don't get me wrong, nice course, but not worthy of the ranking.  I agree with other posters here that it maintains its ranking because of its exclusivity.  One thing is has going for it is intimidating tee shots.  Once you get out to your ball (hopefully in the fairway) and look back, some of the holes become "meh".

The fact that PV is a village is very cool, but I did not really find the clubhouse particularly charming.  It was old, but not in a good way, if that makes sense?  Oakmont, for example, has an old locker room that feels period correct for the rest of the course.  PV feels like it was the victim of a bad renovation in the 70s.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 01:53 PM

 ThreadJockey, on 27 June 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

Overrated.

Don't get me wrong, nice course, but not worthy of the ranking.  I agree with other posters here that it maintains its ranking because of its exclusivity.  One thing is has going for it is intimidating tee shots.  Once you get out to your ball (hopefully in the fairway) and look back, some of the holes become "meh".

The fact that PV is a village is very cool, but I did not really find the clubhouse particularly charming.  It was old, but not in a good way, if that makes sense?  Oakmont, for example, has an old locker room that feels period correct for the rest of the course.  PV feels like it was the victim of a bad renovation in the 70s.

Next time you receive an invitation, please tell them you're not very impressed with the club but I'd be happy to go in your place.  :)

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:38 AM

 Ktrain, on 20 June 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

Just got back from there as I played in their Member Guest last weekend. I played it last year for first time for 3 days-4rounds.. This past weekend was the same. A friend of mine at my local club grew up on east coast and has been a member for 41 yrs.. He has many stories and I have learned a lot about the place and course through him.. I absolutely love that place and is my favorite course by far.. I feel like I could answer some questions so don't be afraid to ask. Lol. I love to share the experience as best I could!!!

How was the Member-Guest? Must have been awesome!  Can only imagine how good that tourney is.  PV is by far on the top of my bucket list.  Had three chances to play there as I used to work in the golf business at a great Philly club and was rained out EVERYTIME! Didn't think I could get worse luck.  Hope to get there sometime.  Thanks for sharing!
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 07:19 PM

 wrayner, on 28 June 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

 Ktrain, on 20 June 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

Just got back from there as I played in their Member Guest last weekend. I played it last year for first time for 3 days-4rounds.. This past weekend was the same. A friend of mine at my local club grew up on east coast and has been a member for 41 yrs.. He has many stories and I have learned a lot about the place and course through him.. I absolutely love that place and is my favorite course by far.. I feel like I could answer some questions so don't be afraid to ask. Lol. I love to share the experience as best I could!!!

How was the Member-Guest? Must have been awesome!  Can only imagine how good that tourney is.  PV is by far on the top of my bucket list.  Had three chances to play there as I used to work in the golf business at a great Philly club and was rained out EVERYTIME! Didn't think I could get worse luck.  Hope to get there sometime.  Thanks for sharing!
Member- Guest was pretty cool..To my surprise, there wasn't any crazy good scores? Friday is a best ball qualifier that the best score was a 1 over 71.. We shot a 75 which put
us in the 3rd out of 6 flights. Top 2 flights played back tees which we just probably couldn't compete? All flights play a match play format and we won our first match but lost our second which eliminated us for 1st or 2nd in our flight. We then skipped an alternative separate best ball competition for Sunday morning as we had an 11 hour drive home.. But all in all, great experience and fun time.. I love the few changes they made to the course and just love the course in general!!!

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 06:04 PM

I may be cursed. I am scheduled to play Merion and Pine Valley this week. The weather forecast has been changing every day- currently showing two days of lightning followed by hopefully a cloudy day.

Crossing my fingers...saying a prayer.


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 12:48 AM

 Andrew Bond of Glencoe, on 03 July 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

I may be cursed. I am scheduled to play Merion and Pine Valley this week. The weather forecast has been changing every day- currently showing two days of lightning followed by hopefully a cloudy day.

Crossing my fingers...saying a prayer.

your fine. It will be common early summer day around here. warm low-mid 80s w/ humidity.

Only low chance pop up t-storm after mon. Tues-fri don't really need umbrella.

w/e is unsettled w/ popup t-storms.
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 02:12 PM

 aabcuue, on 04 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

 Andrew Bond of Glencoe, on 03 July 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

I may be cursed. I am scheduled to play Merion and Pine Valley this week. The weather forecast has been changing every day- currently showing two days of lightning followed by hopefully a cloudy day.

Crossing my fingers...saying a prayer.

your fine. It will be common early summer day around here. warm low-mid 80s w/ humidity.

Only low chance pop up t-storm after mon. Tues-fri don't really need umbrella.

w/e is unsettled w/ popup t-storms.

Thursday afternoon at Merion
Friday and Saturday at Pine Valley

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:00 PM

All courses mentioned are special for their own reasons. I love Merion - the history, the flag poles and clubhouse - the finishing holes are the best in golf IMO. PV is the bucket list course - love every hole and what a great atmosphere. Philly Cricket has that links style that I love - first hole is a great driving hole and it just keeps you in awe the entire way. Arominak is the least fav of these form me but it's still an awesome course - tough greens, tree Lined

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 03:00 AM

 Andrew Bond of Glencoe, on 04 July 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

 aabcuue, on 04 July 2017 - 12:48 AM, said:

 Andrew Bond of Glencoe, on 03 July 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

I may be cursed. I am scheduled to play Merion and Pine Valley this week. The weather forecast has been changing every day- currently showing two days of lightning followed by hopefully a cloudy day.

Crossing my fingers...saying a prayer.

your fine. It will be common early summer day around here. warm low-mid 80s w/ humidity.

Only low chance pop up t-storm after mon. Tues-fri don't really need umbrella.

w/e is unsettled w/ popup t-storms.

Thursday afternoon at Merion
Friday and Saturday at Pine Valley

Front has shifted and w/e weather will arrive a day to 1.5d earlier.
Sat & Sun are now dry & sunny.

Friday depends when thurs rains and how hot fri gets, if it stays cloudy you'll be fine. Otherwise possible afternoon t-storms.

Thurs is mixed as rain arrives afternoon-evening and goes through overnight th-fri.
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Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:24 PM

Played two rounds at Pine Valley and one round at Merion. Two of the best golf courses in the world, and I have played my fair share. Pine Valley was the epitome of sleeping, breathing and playing golf. It was absolute heaven- a perfect golf course and experience.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 08:49 PM

 Andrew Bond of Glencoe, on 10 July 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

Played two rounds at Pine Valley and one round at Merion. Two of the best golf courses in the world, and I have played my fair share. Pine Valley was the epitome of sleeping, breathing and playing golf. It was absolute heaven- a perfect golf course and experience.
Great to hear you loved PV...

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 07:01 AM

I have had a week to let the courses sink in and here are a couple thoughts.

- Someone posted that PV is #1because its so exclusive. That is so not the case. First and foremost (not counting but estimating) 90 of the Top 100 golf courses are private on that list.

- I would wager 25-50 of those private courses have fewer members than Pine Valley.

- As I understand it, as a member of Pine Valley you are encouraged to bring guests and bring them often. The spirit of Pine Valley is for the members to share it with the golf world. I played there two days and every group out there had 3 guests.

- The course is in immaculate condition and every hole could be the best hole on most courses around the country.

- The golf course plays games with your head. It's fairly wide but looks crazy narrow, their are shots that need to be hit over bunkers that always look longer than what they are. The greens are fairly big. However if you miss the fairway or the green you are in huge trouble.

- It's #1 in my book and Merion #2 which I played last week as well is #2. Merion was great- it was what I expected a great country club with rich history to be. Pine Valley however was an other worldly experience as you sleep, breathe and eat in golf at its best.

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:42 PM

 Andrew Bond of Glencoe, on 14 July 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

I have had a week to let the courses sink in and here are a couple thoughts.

- Someone posted that PV is #1because its so exclusive. That is so not the case. First and foremost (not counting but estimating) 90 of the Top 100 golf courses are private on that list.

- I would wager 25-50 of those private courses have fewer members than Pine Valley.

- As I understand it, as a member of Pine Valley you are encouraged to bring guests and bring them often. The spirit of Pine Valley is for the members to share it with the golf world. I played there two days and every group out there had 3 guests.

- The course is in immaculate condition and every hole could be the best hole on most courses around the country.

- The golf course plays games with your head. It's fairly wide but looks crazy narrow, their are shots that need to be hit over bunkers that always look longer than what they are. The greens are fairly big. However if you miss the fairway or the green you are in huge trouble.

- It's #1 in my book and Merion #2 which I played last week as well is #2. Merion was great- it was what I expected a great country club with rich history to be. Pine Valley however was an other worldly experience as you sleep, breathe and eat in golf at its best.


I would actually say that almost every club in the top 100 that is private has less members that PV.  PV has a ton of members though most are not local.  And your totally right most groups out there are 3 guests and a member.  Can't agree that every hole at PV would be the best hole at most places, particularly 12 and 14 to me are average at best but it's got alot of great holes and is a very special place.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 12:14 AM

Played it this past Tuesday. Beautiful day. Spectacular course. Wonderful people. Wish I was in mid season form but put the scorecard and pencil away on 1’s green and just soaked it all in.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 09:25 AM

Although Pine Valley is not one if my favorite courses. It is a great course but i forget many of the holes. It is without question the best golf expierence that i have had. Staying in the cottages, putting on the green until wee hours of ghe night, the food was great (turtle soup a must) and walking the course with great caddies.


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 09:34 PM

I am heading back to play Pine Valley twice this year. Itís #1- a bit dumbfounded that anyone could say itís not in the Top 10. There is just no reasonable explanation in my opinion.

The best course doesnít have to be the most penal, I would argue the opposite it should give the better player strategic options even when they err.

The argument on #12 is moot because they redesigned it ands created an awesome risk reward shot...AWESOME AND BEAUTIFUL. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I just cannot fathom a Kiawah, Whistling Straights, Erin Hills or those ilk being in the discussion.

I will say that many over value ocean views.

The top 3 that I have played in order:

1) Pine Valley
2) Oakmont
3) Merion

I am playing Cypress and Augusta in 2019 so it will be interesting to see how those two interrupt my list.

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 10:12 PM

12 does look fantastic now. Huge improvement!
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:21 AM

I have been there a few times.  Fun place

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:28 AM

I've played there 3 times. Great course, overall great experience!
USGA Index: ~2

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 01:50 PM

The course is wider and more playable than pictures lead you to believe.  Lot's of visual intimidation on every shot.  

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