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#1 bogeypro

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:27 AM

just a quick vent here...  Personally, I'm tired of the trend of having the US Open on a links style courses.  Then, we get to watch the British open on a links style course.  Let them have the links style and we stick to our parkland and woodlands courses.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:55 AM

I don't mind a links style course mixed in with USO standard tunnel golf.  Variety will keep the event fresh.  Also links style courses are not true link's courses as seen at the Open Championship.  Remember PBGL is a links style course.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:00 AM

You know it ain't a bad thing once in a blue moon but hope the USGA goes back to a tree lined course like Medina . Let the trees be the penalty and lower the rough.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:00 AM

If you consider Shinnecock links style then I am fine with it every 10 years or so, but there really aren't that many true links style courses in the US, and Erin Hills is not a links, its in the middle of a prairie.  Links needs ocean close by.  However the true feature of a links style course, in my opinion, is turf that is covered in fescue that has sandy soil.   It should drain well and play firm, which allows for playing the ball along the ground when the wind picks up, which it should on a links.  

I have no idea if Erin Hills plays this way or not, if not then a lack of trees does not make it a links.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:01 AM

Erin Hills is not a links course..........

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Its a "heartland" type course

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:24 AM

Ya know, initially I thought that this was just another example of a bunch of pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois chirping about nothin cuz they realize that they just can't show up, make some putts and throw a 63-64 down-

However, after further thought, supressing my natural intellectual bias against the pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois that are a growing Sub-species  in combination with my 10:30 meds(actually 10:20), I agree with ya Bogie, the Open Championship is the real deal regarding links style, feskew, etc., and for the USGA to "jump on the wagon," so to speak, to try to "manufacture" that type of course is greatly diminishing some of the world class tracks that highlight the US courses' strengths, i.e., the parkland and woodlands style designs, though I don't think of Erin Hills as a links style however they did cut back the feskew this morning after all of the batching.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:50 AM

I get that it may not be a "true" links style course...it is the US imitation of links golf...no trees, pot bunkers, tall heather like grass, large undulating greens, etc... Whatever happened to Baltustrol, Oakland HIlls, Inverness?
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:51 AM

Serious question . Is that area known to have no trees ?  If so I guess I get it. If the area has tress then I don't see why the course doesn't have trees unless it's trying to mimick a links course
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:54 AM

View PostForged4ever, on 14 June 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

Ya know, initially I thought that this was just another example of a bunch of pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois chirping about nothin cuz they realize that they just can't show up, make some putts and throw a 63-64 down-

However, after further thought, supressing my natural intellectual bias against the pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois that are a growing Sub-species  my 10:30 meds(actually 10:20) agree with ya Bogie, the Open Championship is the real deal regarding links style, feskew, etc., and for the USGA to "jump on the wagon," so to speak, to try to "manufacture" that type of course is greatly diminishing some of the world class tracks that highlight the US courses' strengths, i.e., the parkland and woodlands style designs, though I don't think of Erin Hills as a links style however they did cut back the feskew this morning after all of the batching.

Nice observation!

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I'm not sure it is the U.S. Open jumping on board.  Right now the trend in golf is to deforest. I have a friend in the turf-grass industry and he talks about how not have trees is much healthier for the turf. Everybody is trying to be more sustainable so they are looking at the Oakmont model. So many of our Parkland courses were manufactured during the tree planting craze of the 40's, 50's, and 60's. I'm sure the trend will turn again but right now it is rolling open "pastures."

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:04 AM

View PostForged4ever, on 14 June 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

"Ya know, initially I thought that this was just another example of a bunch of pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois chirping about nothin cuz they realize that they just can't show up, make some putts and throw a 63-64 down-"

This is exactly what is ruining watching PGA golf for me. Imho, this type player is doing more to ruin pro golf than the USGA will ever do. I'd like to have all the whiners bust arse on a 7 or 8am - 5 pm blue collar for a while and see how many are still whining inside their plush air conditioned country clubs afterwards.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:10 AM

They took out most of the trees at Oakmont.  Does that make it a links style layout?
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:22 AM

How late can one jump on a bandwagon?  the Open championship will be 146 this year, this is version 117 of the US Open, there's only so many courses that can host, and frankly we have  a stale rota, time to try something else. Maybe Erin Hills or Chambers Bay aren't "it" but USGA needs to try other venues.





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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:36 AM

View Postbogeypro, on 14 June 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

just a quick vent here...  Personally, I'm tired of the trend of having the US Open on a links style courses.  Then, we get to watch the British open on a links style course.  Let them have the links style and we stick to our parkland and woodlands courses.

While i love that the US open visits different courses around the US that most would never even know existed and showcases some of the cooler locations. i think recently it has show to lean towards a certain type of course. the pho-links style course if you want to call it something. i would love to see more resort style, green grass, lots of water etc. something that is as far away from links golf as you can get. Maybe even something in Vegas. take it as far as possible from the looks of "links".

But i am interested in watching this course. it looks really cool.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:42 AM

View PostVardon Grip, on 14 June 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

How late can one jump on a bandwagon?  the Open championship will be 146 this year, this is version 117 of the US Open, there's only so many courses that can host, and frankly we have  a stale rota, time to try something else. Maybe Erin Hills or Chambers Bay aren't "it" but USGA needs to try other venues.

The USGA cant force a course to host a US Open.  Courses apply to hold the event.  There is no "rota".

Its hilarious.  The tournament hasnt started yet, the course has been pretty much universally praised by the players, but not having those trees man...

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:44 AM

View Postjohnseg, on 14 June 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

View PostForged4ever, on 14 June 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

Ya know, initially I thought that this was just another example of a bunch of pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois chirping about nothin cuz they realize that they just can't show up, make some putts and throw a 63-64 down-

However, after further thought, supressing my natural intellectual bias against the pansy arsed entitled self-centered bois that are a growing Sub-species  my 10:30 meds(actually 10:20) agree with ya Bogie, the Open Championship is the real deal regarding links style, feskew, etc., and for the USGA to "jump on the wagon," so to speak, to try to "manufacture" that type of course is greatly diminishing some of the world class tracks that highlight the US courses' strengths, i.e., the parkland and woodlands style designs, though I don't think of Erin Hills as a links style however they did cut back the feskew this morning after all of the batching.

Nice observation!

Enjoy the tourney��

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I'm not sure it is the U.S. Open jumping on board.  Right now the trend in golf is to deforest. I have a friend in the turf-grass industry and he talks about how not have trees is much healthier for the turf. Everybody is trying to be more sustainable so they are looking at the Oakmont model. So many of our Parkland courses were manufactured during the tree planting craze of the 40's, 50's, and 60's. I'm sure the trend will turn again but right now it is rolling open "pastures."

This is exactly what Dana Fry, one of the architects of Erin Hills, said the other day.  He said he had to fight tooth and nail to get trees removed to create Erin Hills, and it was a "tree by tree process".


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:48 AM

View PostQuigleyDU, on 14 June 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 14 June 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

just a quick vent here...  Personally, I'm tired of the trend of having the US Open on a links style courses.  Then, we get to watch the British open on a links style course.  Let them have the links style and we stick to our parkland and woodlands courses.

While i love that the US open visits different courses around the US that most would never even know existed and showcases some of the cooler locations. i think recently it has show to lean towards a certain type of course. the pho-links style course if you want to call it something.

Is that a links course serving Vietnamese food at the halfway house?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

View Postgvogel, on 14 June 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

They took out most of the trees at Oakmont.  Does that make it a links style layout?
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:58 AM

Erin Hills is not a links style course.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:04 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 14 June 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Serious question . Is that area known to have no trees ?  If so I guess I get it. If the area has tress then I don't see why the course doesn't have trees unless it's trying to mimick a links course

Wisconsin has plenty of trees, tall, towering, majestic older trees, but the parcel of land it was built on was an old cattle ground, mostly open plain with a few areas of trees mixed in. Part of the appeal of buying the property and making it a course was that there was very little shaping and moving of dirt that needed to be done, it was an open (not US Open) type of setup without having to do much of anything.

I love tree lined courses, but in the golfing world there's a trend towards less and less trees, which I dislike. More trees means less airflow and greens that aren't as well conditioned (fast) as they could be, and on top of that many areas have been hit hard by bug infestations the past 5 to 10 years that have threatened to kill off large trees, making them more dangerous to the golfer.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

Said already Erin Hills is not a links style course


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:17 AM

View Posteebomb, on 14 June 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Said already Erin Hills is not a links style course

i dont think anyone disagrees with you. But it is a links style, or links interpretation course. agreed?
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:23 AM

Is 2 years in a row really a "trend"?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:29 AM

View PostQuigleyDU, on 14 June 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

View Posteebomb, on 14 June 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Said already Erin Hills is not a links style course

i dont think anyone disagrees with you. But it is a links style, or links interpretation course. agreed?

No. Just because there aren't trees doesn't make it links. Is oakmont a links course?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:32 AM

I think people think it is a link style course because of the large unmowed areas.  The unmowed areas are becoming more frequent on many courses. Saves money in a variety of ways for the course. Also provides a more natural look. The unmowed areas take the place of rows of trees. You put it in the trees, alot of the time you are punching out. Same with the unmowed areas.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:36 AM

View Postamish, on 14 June 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

I think people think it is a link style course because of the large unmowed areas.  The unmowed areas are becoming more frequent on many courses. Saves money in a variety of ways for the course. Also provides a more natural look. The unmowed areas take the place of rows of trees. You put it in the trees, alot of the time you are punching out. Same with the unmowed areas.
Unmowed also provides much better vistas over the rest of the course than trees do. Something about being able to stand on a highish tee and overlook the property and see the undulations of the land is much more appealing to me than seeing a wall of trees.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:39 AM

I like trees.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:41 AM

View Postdlygrisse, on 14 June 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

If you consider Shinnecock links style then I am fine with it every 10 years or so, but there really aren't that many true links style courses in the US, and Erin Hills is not a links, its in the middle of a prairie.  Links needs ocean close by.  However the true feature of a links style course, in my opinion, is turf that is covered in fescue that has sandy soil.   It should drain well and play firm, which allows for playing the ball along the ground when the wind picks up, which it should on a links.  

I have no idea if Erin Hills plays this way or not, if not then a lack of trees does not make it a links.

This is a great description of what a links style course should be

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:42 AM

View Postbogeypro, on 14 June 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

just a quick vent here...  Personally, I'm tired of the trend of having the US Open on a links style courses.  Then, we get to watch the British open on a links style course.  Let them have the links style and we stick to our parkland and woodlands courses.


Have to agree on this one.  It's all about 'globalization' I guess.  Links courses are fun to play, but for Majors belong in The British Open, not the US Open
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:54 AM

It's not a links course. It's not a links-style course. It's a farm course. We have a billion of them around here and they are usually cheap, wide open, and flat. The only way to make them difficult is to keep areas unmowed or dig up hundreds of bunkers. Erin Hills has the added benefit of being all carved up from a big ice cube a few millennia ago. If the USGA wants to put lipstick on a pig (no disrespect to bacon) and call it "heartland" style to appease the coastal snobs that's fine. It's still the best farm course I've ever seen.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:11 PM

View Postklebs01, on 14 June 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

View PostQuigleyDU, on 14 June 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

View Posteebomb, on 14 June 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Said already Erin Hills is not a links style course

i dont think anyone disagrees with you. But it is a links style, or links interpretation course. agreed?

No. Just because there aren't trees doesn't make it links. Is oakmont a links course?

Oakmont doesn't look like a links course to my untrained eye. this course does.

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