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cardoustie, on 14 June 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

lopey986, on 14 June 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

And Rory knows more about golf than Johnny Freaking Miller. Him and Brandel are a couple of bitter old has beens.

You're insane.  Johnny Miller knows more about golf that pretty much the whole freaking planet.  He was the best golfer in the world from 73-75 . .gimme a break

I'm with you on Brandel but he is paid to opine and stir the pot, so he get's a pass of some sort

To play Devil's Advocate here, Rory has also been the best (or one of the best) golfer in the world for the past 5 years and has twice as many majors as Johnny. If that is what we're using as a standard of knowledge, Rory probably has him beat. And Johnny still talks about trap-draws and trapping it against the turf

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[noahdavis_7]

Normally people who say lifting hurts your golf swing are either A. Weak and jealous or B. Have no idea what they are talking about

[chippa13]

Overtraining is simply too much exercise combined with not enough rest/recovery. The amount of weight has nothing to do with it. Is Rory "too jacked"? No. Could he be overtraining? Perhaps, but like someone said earlier, without knowing his routine we can't answer that question.

[dlygrisse]

cardoustie, on 14 June 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

lopey986, on 14 June 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

And Rory knows more about golf than Johnny Freaking Miller. Him and Brandel are a couple of bitter old has beens.

You're insane.  Johnny Miller knows more about golf that pretty much the whole freaking planet.  He was the best golfer in the world from 73-75 . .gimme a break
I'm with you on Brandel but he is paid to opine and stir the pot, so he get's a pass of  me sort

It's funny how when people over the age of 40 share their life experiences on the internet they are automatically classified as bitter old men, by anyone who grew up knowing nothing but how to Google something, like that is the end-all be-all of life's wisdom.  LOL.  

Miller has stated many times that his game went south after he spent a lot of time doing a lot of physical labor and adding muscle mass to his frame.  Totally lost his feel and injuries started to occur.  JM was arguably the best iron player in the history of the game for a period of time, so he has street cred.  Not that what Rory is doing is comparable, but it is food for thought.  

Just remember it's impossible to learn anything with your mouth open...(or while typing, if on the www.)

[SadTrombone]

cardoustie, on 14 June 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

You're insane.  Johnny Miller knows more about golf that pretty much the whole freaking planet.  He was the best golfer in the world from 73-75 ...

dlygrisse, on 14 June 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

JM was arguably the best iron player in the history of the game for a period of time...

Just ask him.

But seriously, this foolishness about these guys being "too jacked" needs to stop.  I was bigger than most of these guys when I was a Freshman in high school (5'10" 180# - I was a big kid even back then...oddly I had much less body fat than I do now yet I was still "overweight".  Weird!).  The differences is they maintained their exercise discipline and I was introduced to delicious chocolate cake.  Anyway, back then I thought about playing football, but when one of the soccer players decided to become kicker I quickly realized my place was beating a drum in the marching band.  I just wasn't big enough to avoid getting the snot beat out of me...by high school football players...at a small school in western PA...

To think these guys are jacked at all is really insulting to the athletes out there that are jacked.  Are they fit?  Definitely.  Healthy?  Probably.  Strong?  I wouldn't doubt it.  Jacked?  Jack and coke maybe...

But Tiger?  Yeah he was built like a linebacker when he was juicing.

*Pull pin*
*Throw grenade*

Edited by SadTrombone, 14 June 2017 - 11:13 AM.

[jmkenn0]

If you hadn't seen Rory when he was younger, would it ever cross your mind that he's "too jacked?"

How many people do you know that have bad backs due to injury?  How many of them actually know what a deadlift is?

Someone is paying them $10,000,000/year to wear a shmedium shirt - yeah, guessing Nike doesn't want someone like Duffy Waldorf stretching out their fabric.

[Scotty1140]

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

Rory isn't just small, he's 'carry on'.

[chris975d]

tbowles411, on 14 June 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

Not unless Jason Day is Hercules




http://www.express.c...y-play-together

That's just funny right there!

And keep in mind Jason Day's shirt size is "small".  So that tells you how little Rory really is.  I've stood within 3 feet of him at East Lake a couple of years ago in the clubhouse, and I'm 5ft 9in.  He's shorter than me.  He's very little ,but fairly fit.  Would not consider him bulked up by any stretch of the imagination, and that's not because I'm more or less desensitized to highly muscular people, having been a competitive powerlifter (briefly bodybuilding) for almost 16 years.  Rory is little, period.  

If you haven't been next to any of these people we typically see on TV, the problem is you have no basis for comparison on their size.  Someone fit and somewhat toned on TV can look like they are "huge" and "muscle bound".  But you're not seeing them in person, up close so you can actually compare them to the size of something you can relate to.  The photo with Trump shows this perfectly.  Rory filling up a camera shot on TV can appear to be "jacked", but next to Trump and other athletes, he looks like a kid...this is how he looked in person.  

I've witnessed this illusion several times in my life...once when I first went to college (Georgia Tech).  I wasn't into competitive lifting at that point, and was a hobby/competitive cross country runner (140 lbs).  I was in Bobby Dodd (our football stadium) one weekend running stadium steps for a workout, when the biggest human I've ever personally been face to face with was running in the stadium with me.  When I got close enough to him to notice the number on his shorts, I asked "are you... (our #1 wide receiver at the time, one of my favorite players to watch on TV)" and of course it was.  Literally the biggest mass of human I've ever seen up close at that point... shoulders as wide as a refrigerator and seemed 7 ft tall.  On TV, this guy, in pads, looked like a STICK in the offense's huddle.  Made me realize quickly that you can't tell anything regarding size on TV, it's very distorted.  

Other time I saw this perspective distortion was at a bodybuilding contest...I was there to support a friend, not competing, but during my heyday of bodybuilding style training, before I moved to powerlifting.  Sitting about 20 rows back, the most impressive physique on a male I saw all day came out ...was making me think "that guy is huge" and I'm small as sh**". Something about his proportions just made him look different.  Then I heard his on stage bodyweight was 150 lbs!  With no one around him for visual comparison, the guy seemed absolutely massive. But when I ran into him backstage with my friend, he was very small.  And here I was, 220lbs (not contest condition, mind you, but not too far out either) and thinking this guy was "huge" from 50 feet away on stage alone.

TL/DR... Rory is fit, but is FAR from jacked.  With no size reference when viewing him on TV, it's very hard to see this unless you've been near him in person (or see him next to someone of known size).

[hell_is_chrome]

chippa13, on 14 June 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

Overtraining is simply too much exercise combined with not enough rest/recovery. The amount of weight has nothing to do with it. Is Rory "too jacked"? No. Could he be overtraining? Perhaps, but like someone said earlier, without knowing his routine we can't answer that question.

A sensible take which has no business in this thread.

[bscinstnct]

dlygrisse, on 14 June 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

cardoustie, on 14 June 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

lopey986, on 14 June 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

And Rory knows more about golf than Johnny Freaking Miller. Him and Brandel are a couple of bitter old has beens.

You're insane.  Johnny Miller knows more about golf that pretty much the whole freaking planet.  He was the best golfer in the world from 73-75 . .gimme a break
I'm with you on Brandel but he is paid to opine and stir the pot, so he get's a pass of  me sort

It's funny how when people over the age of 40 share their life experiences on the internet they are automatically classified as bitter old men, by anyone who grew up knowing nothing but how to Google something, like that is the end-all be-all of life's wisdom.  LOL.  

Miller has stated many times that his game went south after he spent a lot of time doing a lot of physical labor and adding muscle mass to his frame.  Totally lost his feel and injuries started to occur.  JM was arguably the best iron player in the history of the game for a period of time, so he has street cred.  Not that what Rory is doing is comparable, but it is food for thought.  

Just remember it's impossible to learn anything with your mouth open...(or while typing, if on the www.)

Yup.

Don't mess with 'old man strength'


Early in the week at the 2004 Doral Open, Mickelson and Johnny Miller were walking together following a business meeting with Ford, the car company at the time sponsoring both players. Small talk quickly devolved into needling, something both are expert at and prone to do, when Phil took it to another level.
“I could probably kick your butt,” Phil said. “I know karate and kung fu. I’m stronger than you.”

“I don’t know if you’re that strong,” Miller said. “You want to arm wrestle and see how strong you are?”
Phil accepted. The two men found a small table and took places opposite one another. Phil put his left arm on the table and invited Miller to take hold. It was a bad move by Phil because Miller is left-handed and had also arm-wrestled a lot as a kid growing up in San Francisco. It was sort of a pasttime there. In short order—Miller guesses it was one second—he slammed Phil’s arm to the table. Phil, stunned, asked for a do-over. Miller obliged, and in another second pinned Mickelson again.

He now demanded they switch hands. Miller won again, this time even more quickly, as if to make a point. “I still think I could kick your butt,” Phil fumed. “I know karate.”

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tbowles411, on 14 June 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

Not unless Jason Day is Hercules




http://www.express.c...y-play-together

That's just funny right there!

So what is Jason Day?  5'10" 175lbs?

[Z1ggy16]

Can echo the point about TV illusions. Met a D1 football player who was occupying the house I was about to rent for the summer years back. Thought in my head, holy crap this kid is jacked. Saw him on TV just a few months later.. Looked like a little peanut in the defensive huddle. If I'd have never met him face to face, I'd assume he weighed around 180-190? Look him up on the website for roster... 220lb.

[SadTrombone]

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

dlygrisse, on 14 June 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

cardoustie, on 14 June 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

lopey986, on 14 June 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

And Rory knows more about golf than Johnny Freaking Miller. Him and Brandel are a couple of bitter old has beens.

You're insane.  Johnny Miller knows more about golf that pretty much the whole freaking planet.  He was the best golfer in the world from 73-75 . .gimme a break
I'm with you on Brandel but he is paid to opine and stir the pot, so he get's a pass of  me sort

It's funny how when people over the age of 40 share their life experiences on the internet they are automatically classified as bitter old men, by anyone who grew up knowing nothing but how to Google something, like that is the end-all be-all of life's wisdom.  LOL.  

Miller has stated many times that his game went south after he spent a lot of time doing a lot of physical labor and adding muscle mass to his frame.  Totally lost his feel and injuries started to occur.  JM was arguably the best iron player in the history of the game for a period of time, so he has street cred.  Not that what Rory is doing is comparable, but it is food for thought.  

Just remember it's impossible to learn anything with your mouth open...(or while typing, if on the www.)

Yup.

Don't mess with 'old man strength'


Early in the week at the 2004 Doral Open, Mickelson and Johnny Miller were walking together following a business meeting with Ford, the car company at the time sponsoring both players. Small talk quickly devolved into needling, something both are expert at and prone to do, when Phil took it to another level.
“I could probably kick your butt,” Phil said. “I know karate and kung fu. I’m stronger than you.”

“I don’t know if you’re that strong,” Miller said. “You want to arm wrestle and see how strong you are?”
Phil accepted. The two men found a small table and took places opposite one another. Phil put his left arm on the table and invited Miller to take hold. It was a bad move by Phil because Miller is left-handed and had also arm-wrestled a lot as a kid growing up in San Francisco. It was sort of a pasttime there. In short order—Miller guesses it was one second—he slammed Phil’s arm to the table. Phil, stunned, asked for a do-over. Miller obliged, and in another second pinned Mickelson again.

He now demanded they switch hands. Miller won again, this time even more quickly, as if to make a point. “I still think I could kick your butt,” Phil fumed. “I know karate.”

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[2over]

cgm808, on 14 June 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

Agree and disagree.  

Disagree with your Sergio comparison. Sure, he's got 1 more green jacket than Rory, but he's also much older and has 3 fewer majors than Rory.  I'd take a safe bet on Rory winning a green jacket by the time he's Sergio's age. I think a better comparison would be Jordan as he doesn't do a lot of heavy lifting and he's doing just fine at roughly the same age.

Agree that weightlifting can cause issues down the road and not do much for you on the golf course; Look at Justin Thomas for example.  In the case of Tiger, he overdid it a little bit.  I mean, the man was obsessed with Navy Seal training techniques and heavy lifting which ultimately wore his body down.  But on the contrary, would you say the same about Louis Oosthuizen who has a bad back and carries a custom mattress around everywhere he goes?  I haven't heard much about him doing heavy lifting like Rory does and he has always had issues.  My point with Louis is that I think golf takes a strain on your body regardless, but I agree that heavy lifting will add to the cause...

I wasn't suggesting Sergio is as good a player as Rory, or that Rory won't win the Masters. I was purely comparing their physical skills--Sergio has never lifted heavy weights, is not jacked and is 8 years older and about the same height, natural build as Rory--and yet Sergio has had an almost injury free career and even at 36 has more clubhead speed than Rory! It was just a control group study, if you will on weightlifting vs. not

[RobertBaron]

The funny thing about these guys that are supposedly too jacked (Tiger,  Rory, Day, etc) is that they're not all that impressive when you see them not wearing shirts. You'd think with their supposed crazy routines they'd look like Ryan Reynolds or Zach Efron or something. But no they just look like normal fit guys you might see on a local tennis court or soccer field on a Saturday afternoon.

[dlygrisse]

I think we can all agree on the following:
1.  Being fit is better than not being fit.
2.  You can injure yourself working out, or doing other activities if you do it incorrectly or you are just genetically prone to injury.  So there is always a risk, especially if repetitive motion is involved.  
3.  Rory is not "jacked"

[robrey85]

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

Wow! Trump looks Jacked in that pic!

[Jasonic]

I was surprised how big Jason day's arms were in person. He was more "jacked" than anyone else on the range but in reality was just fit.

[Z1ggy16]

Plus when you have slobs like the Duff floating around on tour, guys like Rory, Day, Cabrera-Bello look like ripped body builders in comparison.

[Togatown22]

The most surprising thing about that pic is how jacked Paul O'Neill is.  He looks like he could throw on the pinstripes tomorrow and play no problem.

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bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

they all look like they skipped leg day...

[JoeyD12]

RobertBaron, on 14 June 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

The funny thing about these guys that are supposedly too jacked (Tiger,  Rory, Day, etc) is that they're not all that impressive when you see them not wearing shirts. You'd think with their supposed crazy routines they'd look like Ryan Reynolds or Zach Efron or something. But no they just look like normal fit guys you might see on a local tennis court or soccer field on a Saturday afternoon.

You can't look like actors in the midsection and rotate properly around your spine.  Definition comes from shorter muscle fibers.  Golfers, for the most part, are trying to make their muscles longer.

[soregongolfer]

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

Paul O'Neill, former Yankee, is more jacked than Rory in that photo and O'Neill is 54 years old.  Rory is a LONG way from "jacked."  A very long way.

[sefus12]

soregongolfer, on 14 June 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

Paul O'Neill, former Yankee, is more jacked than Rory in that photo and O'Neill is 54 years old.  Rory is a LONG way from "jacked."  A very long way.

O'Neill looks great at 54.  Hell, I'll be happy if I'm built like President Trump when I turn 70 (I believe that's how old he was in this pic), assuming I live that long.

[chris975d]

jpdx, on 14 June 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

they all look like they skipped leg day...

I was thinking the same thing.  ONeill would be better than that I would think.  But I guess not!

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Scotty1140, on 14 June 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I don't think anyone who thinks Rory is "jacked" has ever actually lifted an actual weight.

I don't think anyone who thinks Rory is "jacked" has ever actually lifted an actual weight actually.

[toc]

soregongolfer, on 14 June 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

bscinstnct, on 14 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Make Rory jacked again!

Paul O'Neill, former Yankee, is more jacked than Rory in that photo and O'Neill is 54 years old.  Rory is a LONG way from "jacked."  A very long way.

To be fair Paul O'Neill is the warrior so there's that

Edited by toc, 14 June 2017 - 01:13 PM.

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[Krt22]

toc, on 14 June 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Scotty1140, on 14 June 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I don't think anyone who thinks Rory is "jacked" has ever actually lifted an actual weight.

I don't think anyone who thinks Rory is "jacked" has ever actually lifted an actual weight actually.

You both may be onto something, actually.

[Krt22]

cardoustie, on 14 June 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

lopey986, on 14 June 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

And Rory knows more about golf than Johnny Freaking Miller. Him and Brandel are a couple of bitter old has beens.

You're insane.  Johnny Miller knows more about golf that pretty much the whole freaking planet.  He was the best golfer in the world from 73-75 . .gimme a break
I'm with you on Brandel but he is paid to opine and stir the pot, so he get's a pass of some sort

It's also a different game today than it was back then

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