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#1 shuddleston

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:27 AM

I decided to order the itobori black edition driver and a few wedges, mainly because I think the design is cool and I wanted to try them out. Tourspec still lists them on their website so I placed my order and then received an email saying that my order had been cancelled because of the issues regarding itobori lying about the manufacturing process, and that Tourspec no longer orders from them.

I see that they have mixed reviews here as well, with the driver having mostly good things said performance wise. Has anyone played the wedges or driver and had a good experience?

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 11:28 AM

He's a talented grinder and his stuff looks really cool.  But, he's just getting blanks from China and doing his thing  to them.  Probably not worth the prices he's charging but I guess you're getting something that most don't have.  I'd spend my money on higher quality club makers and forego the bling if you're going to spend that kind of money.  This guy is charging prices as if he's CNC milling clubs.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 02:59 PM

One thing for sure. Tsg and itobori had some arguments.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 03:24 PM

I found that out lol.

I am curious why they still list them on their website given everything that has happened.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:06 AM

Pls remember that tsg was supposed to be some kind of global marketing agent for itobori and then, all was good, great craftsmanship, stuff made in Japan and they had  NO issues with the markup (surprise!!!!) then.  Now that relationship  appears to have soured and ito is crap.  The good and bad from the same source at different times.  Who is telling the truth or lying?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:18 AM

 shuddleston, on 12 June 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

I found that out lol.

I am curious why they still list them on their website given everything that has happened.

To advertise at a price never intended to sell at, drive traffic and emails like yours and then see if you are interested in a better product they have for sale in its place.  Just a guess, not saying that is the case but basic business practices would indicate that it would be.  Not even a knock on tsg if that is the case, it is normal sales and marketing.

Are your clothes really 30% off?  Once in the store, you ever get something else because your foot was in the door?  

I would guess that kind of thing.  I still can't make up my mind if itobori is cool or not to me.....which is not a bad thing I guess.   I did think blanks were kyoei tho?

Edited by Bigmean, 14 June 2017 - 11:18 AM.

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Posted 15 June 2017 - 07:16 PM

I think a himeji source as opposed to kyoei.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:48 AM

Apparently now Honma is under attack by that same website for the same Made in Japan stampings on heads started in China and finished in Japan

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 04:48 PM

I can't help but feel Tourspec is being shady regarding their practices. Sure you may "turn" someone to another product, but if you truly have an issue with a manufacturer and clearly aren't offering their product for sale, keeping the traffic moving to you site is disingenuous. The ill will felt by consumers during this practice will far outweigh any benefit.

If you have an issue with a supplier, simply remove them from your site.

My .02c.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 06:49 PM

Tourspec shady? No way!!!! /s


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:06 PM

I'd be surprised if Honma's Tour World irons are forged somewhere else.  They have a proprietary forging process called W-forging that no one else is doing.  I guess if they own a forging plant in another country that they could control the process and the quality.  Wherever their clubs are made, they put a fantastic finish on their irons and their specs have been right on the money from what I've purchased.  Their product is right up there with Miura, Epon, and other boutique brands.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:45 PM

I agree kcsf, I felt somewhat misled. Because of that I took my business elsewhere.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:48 PM

The days of old where only a Japanese Forging can be That Good i think are over.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:44 PM

Bought the driver from torque golf. Waiting on the wedges.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:49 PM

 shuddleston, on 18 June 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Bought the driver from torque golf. Waiting on the wedges.

Congrats!  I love my ito driver.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:58 PM

 Bigmean, on 14 June 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

 shuddleston, on 12 June 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

I found that out lol.

I am curious why they still list them on their website given everything that has happened.

To advertise at a price never intended to sell at, drive traffic and emails like yours and then see if you are interested in a better product they have for sale in its place.  Just a guess, not saying that is the case but basic business practices would indicate that it would be.  Not even a knock on tsg if that is the case, it is normal sales and marketing.

Are your clothes really 30% off?  Once in the store, you ever get something else because your foot was in the door?  

I would guess that kind of thing.  I still can't make up my mind if itobori is cool or not to me.....which is not a bad thing I guess.   I did think blanks were kyoei tho?

Bait and switch is not a normal business practice to drive traffic.

Inflated "regular" price, then the 30% off (or whatever) is much less unscrupulous IMO, and that falls more in line with normal practice. But not the same at all as a bait and switch, where you advertise a product you can't/don't sell.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:15 AM

 huddledtoast, on 18 June 2017 - 11:58 PM, said:

 Bigmean, on 14 June 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

 shuddleston, on 12 June 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

I found that out lol.

I am curious why they still list them on their website given everything that has happened.

To advertise at a price never intended to sell at, drive traffic and emails like yours and then see if you are interested in a better product they have for sale in its place.  Just a guess, not saying that is the case but basic business practices would indicate that it would be.  Not even a knock on tsg if that is the case, it is normal sales and marketing.

Are your clothes really 30% off?  Once in the store, you ever get something else because your foot was in the door?  

I would guess that kind of thing.  I still can't make up my mind if itobori is cool or not to me.....which is not a bad thing I guess.   I did think blanks were kyoei tho?

Bait and switch is not a normal business practice to drive traffic.

Inflated "regular" price, then the 30% off (or whatever) is much less unscrupulous IMO, and that falls more in line with normal practice. But not the same at all as a bait and switch, where you advertise a product you can't/don't sell.

Precisely. TSG clearly has a poor relationship with Itobori but maintaining the items on their site just serves as an invitation for them to bash Itobori. Their issues do not concern me and I did not appreciate the fact that I placed an order, was excited, and then was told that they would not sell the products. Take them off of your website.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:21 AM

Good to see everyone in agreement. So what's a good alternative site to Tourspec? The Itobori's are just too damn sexy not to try.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:56 AM

Not sure if they carry Itobori's, but I get my new stuff from Global Rakuten

Edited by 95124hacker, 19 June 2017 - 09:56 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:12 AM

 kcsf, on 19 June 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

Good to see everyone in agreement. So what's a good alternative site to Tourspec? The Itobori's are just too damn sexy not to try.

I ended up purchasing mine from Torque Golf. Will probably purchase wedges from them as well in the near future.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:43 PM

View Postkcsf, on 19 June 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

Good to see everyone in agreement. So what's a good alternative site to Tourspec? The Itobori's are just too damn sexy not to try.

I haven't seen one set on yahoo auction, and I really frequent yahoo auction.  I feel like these are made for export and not JDM boutique?  Nothing against them at all, but I want to answer that yahoo auction is the only place to go if not tour spec (And don't mind used of course) but I just realized I have never ever seen them on there for any club.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:35 PM

Torque golf sells them new
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 01:10 PM

Found their site. I think Santa will have to visit within a year or so !!! Thanks!
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:17 PM

Driver head came in today. I can't wait to get a shaft in it and hit some balls
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:53 PM

Congrats again.  This head launches a tad lower to others loft for loft so get a shaft that caters to that.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:39 PM

Plan is to mate it with an elements chrome
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 04:20 AM

View Postshuddleston, on 23 June 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

Plan is to mate it with an elements chrome

Hope it works out for you.  I've got a Crazy 9 Dia in mine.  Probably could use a shaft with a low kick point and more active tip but the combo just looks too sweet.   Its probably my longest combo on pure hits.
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