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#31 nocarts83

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 03:37 PM

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Why does a course have to be visually attractive to be a good US Open venue?  I've played there, post-renovation, and it's fantastic...

I can't agree more.  Even worse, the courses that average people play on a daily basis try to be like the courses we see on TV.

I can't stand it when courses try to be some unholy combination of Augusta green, full of hazards like Sawgrass, and rough like Winged Foot.  Those courses are fantastic because they are well-designed tests of golf, not because they are pretty.  Unfortunately, the pretty part is what every-day courses try to emulate.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 03:41 PM

View Postnocarts83, on 12 June 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

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Why does a course have to be visually attractive to be a good US Open venue?  I've played there, post-renovation, and it's fantastic...

I can't agree more.  Even worse, the courses that average people play on a daily basis try to be like the courses we see on TV.

I can't stand it when courses try to be some unholy combination of Augusta green, full of hazards like Sawgrass, and rough like Winged Foot.  Those courses are fantastic because they are well-designed tests of golf, not because they are pretty.  Unfortunately, the pretty part is what every-day courses try to emulate.

The story of Erin Hills is an amazing one.  It's original architects, Time and Mother Nature gave an amazing landscape on which to build without making changes to the fundamental layout.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 04:08 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 12 June 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

I hate watching the US Open.  This is the only time during the year people play a course that is set up in this manner.   USGA ruins the Men's and Women's Opens in my opinion.
Some years, I do agree. When all play is defensive. No fireworks, like. But some years that gets exciting, when the courses are super tough. I cannot really say which years are the seeworthy. I am a little worried about Erin Hills, afraid it will be a lot of cautious fairway play and aiming on the middle of the green for a safe par- play. But we'll see.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 04:34 PM

View Posthdr_ric, on 12 June 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Lets all just hope and pray that they never go back to chambers bay.  At least until the people in charge can learn to grow non-crappy greens.
Give it ten years to mature and I'm willing to bet it will round into a good, if not great, course.  But yeah, the U.S. Open shouldn't have gone there so early.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 05:00 PM

I like Rahm this week, if the wind blows his length and penetrating trajectory will give him an advantage.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:46 PM

View Postelwhippy, on 12 June 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

I hope the USGA get the set up right. They ruined a masterpiece when they went to Pinehurst. Chambers Bay should never have been used and last year's rules fiasco means they are struggling for credibility.

Ok, I'll bite. What is wrong with Chambers? Have you played the course?

Having played it, I think it could be a perfect Open course handled properly. The problem was the USGA insisting on all fescue. If they had embraced the Poa from the beginning and managed it properly, it would be an amazing track. As my super said, any super who tells you they can keep Poa off a course in the PNW is flat out lying

The parking and spectator experience are on them. That should have been ready before hosting an Open.

I hate the argument for unattractive courses. IMO, that is what summer golf is in 3/4 of the US.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:53 PM

View Postjmkenn0, on 12 June 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

Eh - our course is set up the same way (not on every hole mind you, but enough).  There's plenty of room to not hit it in the tall stuff, and if you do, that's why the good lord invented Provisionals.

My first thought too. Yes, the tall grass looks tough, but you have to miss by a lot to get in it.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 07:22 PM

Erin Hills looks like a BIT#H!!
I have a excellent short game. It's unfortunate that it starts on the Tee.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 07:25 PM

What a bunch of pansies!

It is about time they played a course with real rough. You know it is called rough for a reason! It isn't supposed to be easy.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:51 PM

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:09 PM

If you miss the fairway at Erin Hills you deserve to be in the fescue. Fairways look huge!

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:14 PM

View PostConrad1953, on 12 June 2017 - 06:47 AM, said:

As long as there's carnage I'll watch.

There will most certainly be carnage. :)

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:17 PM

Is this really any different than the long grasses and gorse in the Open Championships? Will fans be allowed in the fescue, thus trampling it and serving as de facto spotters?  I'm excited. Will be there Thursday.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:32 PM

View Postnogopehrs, on 12 June 2017 - 09:17 PM, said:

Is this really any different than the long grasses and gorse in the Open Championships? Will fans be allowed in the fescue, thus trampling it and serving as de facto spotters?  I'm excited. Will be there Thursday.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:35 PM

Here is a more nuanced take on the fescue @ Erin Hill w/o some of the hysteria from Kevin Na.

http://www.golfdiges...yand-not-really

But here's the kicker: all the fescue doesn't have this composition. It's mostly just the first six-to-eight yards. Once you travel past that barrier, it's a relative walk in the park. Not only can you find your ball, you can advance it with ease. The picture below is the same spot where I briefly lost my bottle, only this time the bottle is placed 10 yards further from the rough. (And yes, that trampled down area in front is where I was searching for the previously-lost item. If any pros receive a generous lie on No. 2 this week, you're welcome.) As you can see in the middle of the picture, it's in plain sight.
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On eight separate occasions Monday morning I witnessed players in this second cut of fescue; guys found the putting surface five times from over 170 yards, with only one shot labeled as poor. This held true around the greens as well. I camped out on the par-3 sixth for an hour or so, and at least one guy in each pairing found the fescue off the tee. Those that were barely in the tall grass struggled, while those that were extremely errant departed without issue.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:37 PM

1.5 inches and counting.  Looks like 2 inches today/ tonight.    More to come.   Setting up soft for that Irish lad.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:40 PM

View Postmallrat, on 12 June 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Postelwhippy, on 12 June 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

I hope the USGA get the set up right. They ruined a masterpiece when they went to Pinehurst. Chambers Bay should never have been used and last year's rules fiasco means they are struggling for credibility.

Ok, I'll bite. What is wrong with Chambers? Have you played the course?

Having played it, I think it could be a perfect Open course handled properly. The problem was the USGA insisting on all fescue. If they had embraced the Poa from the beginning and managed it properly, it would be an amazing track. As my super said, any super who tells you they can keep Poa off a course in the PNW is flat out lying

The parking and spectator experience are on them. That should have been ready before hosting an Open.

I hate the argument for unattractive courses. IMO, that is what summer golf is in 3/4 of the US.

Issue with chambers bay was 1) the greens sucked beyond belief.  Worse than muni quality.  2) there were entire holes that fans couldn't even see.  Piss poor design.  

And 3), DJ handed the golden child a gift wrapped major.  (Admittedly problem #3 isn't really on the course).  

I don't mind the brown of chambers bay (or Pinehurst).  People who think it has to be green like Augusta are dimwits.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:47 PM

View Posthdr_ric, on 12 June 2017 - 10:40 PM, said:

People who think it has to be green like Augusta are dimwits.
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:56 PM

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 12 June 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

I like Rahm this week, if the wind blows his length and penetrating trajectory will give him an advantage.
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:58 PM

I'm looking forward to it.  The property does look quite beautiful.  I think the rough situation is going to make things, umm, interesting.  I don't have quite the encyclopedic major championship memory like some here, but I don't think I remember lush green tall-rough that thick anywhere, in any major I watched.

I checked the course out on their website a few weeks ago, and I will say the tall fescue rough had that look like it was not effectively in play.  Guess we'll see.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 11:30 PM

View Posthdr_ric, on 12 June 2017 - 10:40 PM, said:

View Postmallrat, on 12 June 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Postelwhippy, on 12 June 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

I hope the USGA get the set up right. They ruined a masterpiece when they went to Pinehurst. Chambers Bay should never have been used and last year's rules fiasco means they are struggling for credibility.

Ok, I'll bite. What is wrong with Chambers? Have you played the course?

Having played it, I think it could be a perfect Open course handled properly. The problem was the USGA insisting on all fescue. If they had embraced the Poa from the beginning and managed it properly, it would be an amazing track. As my super said, any super who tells you they can keep Poa off a course in the PNW is flat out lying

The parking and spectator experience are on them. That should have been ready before hosting an Open.

I hate the argument for unattractive courses. IMO, that is what summer golf is in 3/4 of the US.

Issue with chambers bay was 1) the greens sucked beyond belief.  Worse than muni quality.  2) there were entire holes that fans couldn't even see.  Piss poor design.  

And 3), DJ handed the golden child a gift wrapped major.  (Admittedly problem #3 isn't really on the course).  

I don't mind the brown of chambers bay (or Pinehurst).  People who think it has to be green like Augusta are dimwits.

That's kinda my point. If the USGA wasn't so hell bent on all fescue, the Poa could have grown in years ahead of time and been properly managed. Instead they insisted on what became a farce.

As for #2, those things and other infrastructure issues should have been planned out ahead of time.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:35 AM

My 10 bets:

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After winning more than 1000 Dollars at the Masters... I think this is my year.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:59 AM

Anyone see the video Lee Westwood posted of his caddy Billy Foster lying down in the rough. Literally could not be seen until he got inches away. Quite funny. Good luck finding your ball!

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:04 AM

With the fairways reasonably wide that next cut also looks fairly generous on your pic! The really thick stuff? The golf course has to end somewhere! That's countryside, Don't go there!

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:07 AM

Na needs to suck it up a bit and not miss fairways.
Yeah its hard, you guys are the best in the world and are earning crazy money, go out there and earn it this week.
Its not like hes saving lives or being shot at, things could be a lot worse really.


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:11 AM

Losing the US Open because of a lost ball in the rough on Sunday would be another embarrassing moment for the joke USGA has become, spotters will be key

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:41 AM

Prior to Merion many 'experts' wondered if the course would play long enough. With rotating leaders sunday afternoon, I still think this was the most spectacular US Open in years.
This time I do hope the wind will pick up and hope to see some spoiled pro's stumble in the rough or bunkers. On the reverse side it will also show a small set of players absolutely ready to show their skills and run for victory. The USOpen must be the toughest tournament of all. Call it satisfying compensation for the real hacks who pay their dues but enjoy the game and experience these difficulties every week.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 05:04 AM

View Postbaudi, on 13 June 2017 - 04:41 AM, said:

Prior to Merion many 'experts' wondered if the course would play long enough. With rotating leaders sunday afternoon, I still think this was the most spectacular US Open in years.
This time I do hope the wind will pick up and hope to see some spoiled pro's stumble in the rough or bunkers. On the reverse side it will also show a small set of players absolutely ready to show their skills and run for victory. The USOpen must be the toughest tournament of all. Call it satisfying compensation for the real hacks who pay their dues but enjoy the game and experience these difficulties every week.

In the meanwhile at Erin Hills

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 05:07 AM

I watched the Golf Channel's US Open Pregame coverage last night.  I hadn't previously realized that the construction of Erin Hills was the greatest feat of visionary engineering in the history of the world.  I feel privileged to watch.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 05:27 AM

View PostMountainGoat, on 13 June 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

I watched the Golf Channel's US Open Pregame coverage last night.  I hadn't previously realized that the construction of Erin Hills was the greatest feat of visionary engineering in the history of the world.  I feel privileged to watch.

Brandel doesn't agree...Erin Hills lifts too much, it's going to injure itself.

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