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Why DON'T you play titleist, or other plpular OEMs?


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#61 EKELLY

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:31 PM

View PostBadgergolfer2, on 10 June 2017 - 02:57 AM, said:

I dont play Titleist because the performance, quality and design of them doesnt impress me.  I used to play nothing but Titleist in the late '90s and early '00s but last year I bought a set of AP1s and hated them.
AP1's are for beginners........As basic cast as they get......


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:40 PM

I LOVE reading how people hate this OEM or that OEM.....Wake the F up people, ALL these clubs being played on the PGA TOUR are virtually the same. The USGA tells the OEM's how the HAVE to make them to conform. All the wedge talk about Vokey, Mizuno, etc......I'll say it again, they are ALL old JP copies......There is no new technology out beyond the driver....a little tweak here and there, a little mix design change in the metal, nothing significant. If you think one club is significantly longer than another, check the loft and length. And feel depends on the ball you are playing. Rory just got 100 million reasons to say the new TM is the greatest ball ever!.....It's NOT!...........The moral of the story,  buy what feels good, not what your buddy has, or Sergio plays. He's being PAID to tell you how great they are.......LOL

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:44 PM

I have a Titleist 3 wood still in my bag, but when I tested other brands they all outperformed my Titleist so a change is imminent. I played a full bag of Titleists until last month when I went to a professional clubfitter.

My new brand is more expensive but it suits my game a bit better.

I am terrible, but I will play the best brands that work best for my game. I will spend more to have them customized to my swing to aleve any doubt in my brain or in reality that it's the Indian and not the Arrow.

View PostAndrew Bond of Glencoe, on 17 June 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

I have a Titleist 3 wood still in my bag, but when I tested other brands they all outperformed my Titleist so a change is imminent. I played a full bag of Titleists until last month when I went to a professional clubfitter.

My new brand is more expensive but it suits my game a bit better.

I am terrible, but I will play the best brands that work best for my game. I will spend more to have them customized to my swing to aleve any doubt in my brain or in reality that it's the Indian and not the Arrow.

By the way since making the change my handicap is trending downward a full point.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:37 PM

View PostAndrew Bond of Glencoe, on 17 June 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

I have a Titleist 3 wood still in my bag, but when I tested other brands they all outperformed my Titleist so a change is imminent. I played a full bag of Titleists until last month when I went to a professional clubfitter.

My new brand is more expensive but it suits my game a bit better.

I am terrible, but I will play the best brands that work best for my game. I will spend more to have them customized to my swing to aleve any doubt in my brain or in reality that it's the Indian and not the Arrow.

View PostAndrew Bond of Glencoe, on 17 June 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

I have a Titleist 3 wood still in my bag, but when I tested other brands they all outperformed my Titleist so a change is imminent. I played a full bag of Titleists until last month when I went to a professional clubfitter.

My new brand is more expensive but it suits my game a bit better.

I am terrible, but I will play the best brands that work best for my game. I will spend more to have them customized to my swing to aleve any doubt in my brain or in reality that it's the Indian and not the Arrow.

By the way since making the change my handicap is trending downward a full point.
It's all in the fitting. My buddies all try my MB's, and chuckle at how great they feel, then after skanking one off the toe, they give it back.....

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:28 PM

Just curious - can anyone point to an independent test of any magnitude that has ever ranked a Titleist iron or wood at or near the top? I haven't seen one yet.

Innovation-wise they seem to be content allowing all the other OEMs to guide the conversation and blaze trails in low spin drivers, adjustability....the list goes on ad on. Titleist almost seems like they want to tell golfers what they want (status quo), instead of listening to what they want.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:38 PM

View PostAuditor_Kevin, on 18 June 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Just curious - can anyone point to an independent test of any magnitude that has ever ranked a Titleist iron or wood at or near the top? I haven't seen one yet.

Innovation-wise they seem to be content allowing all the other OEMs to guide the conversation and blaze trails in low spin drivers, adjustability....the list goes on ad on. Titleist almost seems like they want to tell golfers what they want (status quo), instead of listening to what they want.

Titleist does a really good job of catering to their club market, which is a better player (12 or below) who is a member at a club (hence the pro shop/club pro presence).

Those players want classic style players irons which they do a great job of. Are they better than mizuno (probably their closest iron competitor)? There's not really a way to measure that as it's subjective. They make phenomenal wedges for better players, but other OEMs make better wedges (more forgiving, better sole options) for higher handicap players. And their woods are more focused on playability on the course and the type of classic look a better player will prefer, rather than lighting up trackman on your best hit which both Taylormade and callaway do better.

So yeah, you're probably right, they probably aren't winning iron and wood tests (although I've seen plenty where they rank highly over the years), but they're giving their market what it wants, so it works.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:19 PM

IMO from what I've seen Titleist has taken the biggest hit to the usage of their hardlines from Callaway's gradual (and schrewd) progression into the "aspiring" and "accomplished" player categories. examples like Callaway's BB Alpha, BB Alpha 815 & 816, and now Epic, were/are I believe an issue for Titlest's D Series driver sales. the introduction and solid marketing of Apex irons has done no favors for AP2's popularity. and the incremental improvement (and current zenith) of the Mack Daddy series of wedges, just another annoying thorn in the side of Vokey.

edit: now Cameron, at least as far as "perception" might go, is still a step above almost all Odyssey. however it should be interesting to see how the Toulon business does long term.

Edited by Kenny Lee Puckett, 18 June 2017 - 11:40 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:28 PM

Why DONT I play:

-Titleist Woods: although they are the most pleasing to my eye, they are always outperformed by something else.
-Titleist irons: I don't like the shape of their irons. End of story. Used to have a set of 690.MB irons and since then I don't like the shape of any of the new Titleist offerings so I will take a glance and maybe give them a hit but I can't use a club that I don't feel confident looking at.

-Callaway woods: weird shaped and weird sounds in the past have driven me away from them ever since the FT Tour which was a driver that cracked like that was its job.
-Callaway irons: honestly never hit a Callaway iron that felt good to me although some of them had a decent look. Always found something I liked a lot more
-Callaway wedges: again they have odd shapes to them. X forged were very nice and then Roger Cleveland began tweaking the shapes and leading edge of them and I am not a fan of changing something that is nearly perfect.
-Callaway putters (Odyssey): don't like inserts in my putters as I don't like a marshmallow feel. Also never found a head shape in odyssey or Callaway that I liked enough to keep. The #7 is one that I could possibly get on board with if I went the route of an alignment putter.
-Callaway ball: logo, hate the marshmallow feel. Better performers for my game.

Taylormade irons: never liked their left handed options. The TP MB Smoke were my favorite blades I had ever laid eyes on but with no lefty.. no sense in looking. Their current P750 is a really clean classic look that I may be interested in.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:36 PM

View PostEKELLY, on 17 June 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

I LOVE reading how people hate this OEM or that OEM.....Wake the F up people, ALL these clubs being played on the PGA TOUR are virtually the same. The USGA tells the OEM's how the HAVE to make them to conform. All the wedge talk about Vokey, Mizuno, etc......I'll say it again, they are ALL old JP copies......There is no new technology out beyond the driver....a little tweak here and there, a little mix design change in the metal, nothing significant. If you think one club is significantly longer than another, check the loft and length. And feel depends on the ball you are playing. Rory just got 100 million reasons to say the new TM is the greatest ball ever!.....It's NOT!...........The moral of the story,  buy what feels good, not what your buddy has, or Sergio plays. He's being PAID to tell you how great they are.......LOL

If you are correct, then I feel good about not paying the inflated $$ of Titleist products.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:33 PM

I like to play what looks good to my eye, and has some appeal by being an obscure brand that nobody knows. Why would I buy Titleist CB when I can play Fourteen TC770?


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:52 PM

I just really have not found the Titleist clubs over the years to outperform the various TaylorMade, Callaway and Nike clubs I have gamed.  I have tried drivers, fairways and irons. The fairways were closet of the bunch.  And since they were clearly not better I was not going to pay the 20-25% more for their clubs.

I actually won a Scotty Cameron putter at a tourney and was excited and gamed it for about 10 rounds and found it not to be any better than my PING. Sold on the bay and paid for a new driver and had money left over.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 02:11 PM

I consider myself pretty non-conformist, but it just doesn't make sense like someone said earlier to pay $300 for a Wilson driver when it costs the same for Titleist, Callaway, TM, etc. Maybe if it were $150 I'd get one.  I feel like that is like buying a Kia without the satisfaction that you saved a ton of cash. I think the true non-conformist thing is to be brand-blind.  I have a Ping driver, TM and Adams fairway/hybrids, Callaway Irons, Titleist and Dunlop wedges, and an Odyssey putter (for now). When I want a new club, I do the research based on what should work for me and then I buy what feels best, regardless of branding or looks. Plus, I use whatever ball is on sale.  Be non-brand loyal and you will still be a rebel :beach:

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:49 PM

Titleist
I won't buy Titleist anything because I find their prices to be too high for the products they offer.  Most other OEMs are just as expensive, initially, but you can at least find their clubs significantly discounted when newer lines are released.  Why would I buy ProV1 when I can get Bridgestone/Srixon/Callaway urethane balls for $10+ cheaper?

Callaway
Had a buddy who played X18 irons and everything about them just looked and felt cheap.  It's probably unfair, but my first impression of Callaway clubs was "chintzy".

Edited by BForrester, 22 June 2017 - 06:52 PM.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 08:30 PM

Can't see myself playing Taylormade.

I started out with hand-me-down Titleist blades (circa -91) - x flex - given to me by a college-level buddy.  Probably too much club for me, but I didn't know better and learned to make it around a course pretty well.  Switched (briefly) to Taylor Made knowing I could use some more forgiveness.  This is in the Burner Bubble TI days and I just hated them.  Felt so cheap.  The driver and 3 wood too.  After a couple of years back with the blades and switching woods I made it to Titleist woods and I could feel the quality - helped that it was the 983 series which is an all-time fave of many.  I've also had a number of good Callaway iron and wood experiences (as well as a couple of bad).  But everything Titleist I've played has been quality.  Quality seems a baseline to them (in my experience) even if groundbreaking technology isn't their strong suit  - and I don't necessarily think that's the case with other brands, which have some good and some bad.

Ultimately, I'm sure TM has some good products, but an early experience with some lesser products tainted the brand for me - probably a common experience as people use more entry level equipment and grow out of it, expecting more. I think the marketing at the time made me expect a comparable quality to the Titleist product I was used to and it fell far short, even if (importantly) that product line was not on the same level as the Titleist product to which I was comparing it. But, importantly, it was being sold as revolutionary - or close to - at the time.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:09 AM

Would play any OEM if it looks good, sounds good, and performs....good.  That's why I have Callaway epic driver, TM M2 fairway, PXG hybrid, mizuno MPH5/MP-25 irons, T7 and Vokey wedges and SC putter.  With the exception of the putter, which I have played in the same style for 30 years, all the clubs I have were custom fit and optimized to me.  But could easily sub M2 Driver (big maybe as Epic is really good right now), ping fairway and hybrids, Wilson V6, Ping iBlade or Titleist AP2 Irons, Cally wedges, Bettinardi putter and probably be just as happy.

All that being said, it is appealing when companies DO NOT put out new product on a 6 month to 1 year cycle- kudos to Titleist, Mizuno, Ping and PXG on that note.  Something about having the "old" product within a year of purchase that plays with everyone's mind.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:13 AM

No TaylorMade or Callaway or ProV1s for me!!!

I just think the TM and Cally equipment look cheap ---- like Hyundai vs. Audi.  Can't explain it other than that.   That Epic driver?  Woof!!!  M1 and M2 irons?? WOOF WOOF WOOF.  Too many bells and whistles.  

That said - it's all about fitting.  So, so long as I get fit for a club, the brand really doesn't matter.  Hard to have a bad experience with a club if fit properly.

I prefer the feel of Srixon Z-Star to the ProV1s.  Plus, the sheeples love the ProVs too much.  :p

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:39 AM

I never got along with Callaway woods. I also dislike Ping irons, lots of offset and brushed stainless finish.

Whats really missing is wedges these days, Callaways arent that great. I dont want a blue or black finish wedge.  I just want a classic shape with a full sole/wide sole high bounce wedges where you have room to grind yourself.  Vokeys are about as close as you can get with the F and K grinds.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:46 AM

The only brand in general I won't play is NIKE.


I suppose if I found the right club I would use it, but in general I hated when NIKE came into the industry and I don't know if they've ever really made a product worthy of being in the game.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:53 AM

I don't play Wilson because there aren't any places around here that sell Wilson Staff.

I won't play Nike because of their sweatshop/child labor issues.  At least with the other OEMs I can fool myself that their factories are filled with golfers who have the job of their dreams.

I'll boycott any brand that tries to bring back square drivers.

Beyond that, I really don't care what the brand is.  Especially with irons and wedges, they all look the same at address.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:03 AM

This is a great question - I hadn't thought about it but I haven't owned a Titleist club since the 975 drivers.  I guess I've just been brand loyal (primarily to Adams, Mizuno, and Odyssey).  I wonder if this is doing my game a disservice, next time I buy I'm going to make sure to test some of the other OEMs including Titlest, Callaway, and TaylorMade.

As far as Titleist gloves and balls, they're phenomenal but if you can get the same quality for a lower price, why not?  For example, the StaSof glove is excellent but so is the MG Dynagrip Elite at 1/3rd the price.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:06 AM

Only level of consistency in my bag over the years has been Cobra woods and Odyssey putters.  Tried quite a few other brands in between and I've come to realize that you should play what you're comfortable and confident with.  Hence my 716 Titleist Irons sitting in a closet and Mizunos getting a second wind.

Only level of consistency in my bag over the years has been Cobra woods and Odyssey putters.  Tried quite a few other brands in between and I've come to realize that you should play what you're comfortable and confident with.  Hence my 716 Titleist Irons sitting in a closet and Mizunos getting a second wind.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

I would avoid Adams clubs after an experience with a 3-wood a few years ago demonstrated quality control back then wasn't all it should have been. Can't think of another manufacturer I'd avoid if a club was getting good reviews.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:12 AM

I do not play Mizuno. They make some of the most beautiful golf clubs out there but every model I have tried is consistently 8 to 10 yards shorter than either Callaway, Cobra or TaylorMade.

Back in the day, Wilson was king. The staff irons from the 60's through the 80's were things of beauty. I can't explain the decline. Hopefully, they will rebound. I hit some D300 irons and they seemed pretty solid.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:14 AM

I tend to go for a specific type of iron which the OEM's dont really do (raw/black finish with a thin top line and smaller head)

I like RAW wedges which seem to be coming available less and less, my wedges are quite a rare find in the UK.

Driver would always be a OEM though
DRIVER:Callaway GBB 10.5 - UST Proforce Gold X stiff - 1/2" shorter
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18/21* DI: Adams Pro DHY, Aldila Tour stiff, 1" shorter
IRONS 4-PW: Scratch RAW Black AR-1 - Black gold Stiff - 2* flat - 2* weaker loft
WEDGES 56 & 60: Titleist SM5 Raw - S300's -  2* flat
PUTTER:Odyssey works versa 90 #7H
BALL:Bridgestone B330 RXS.

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#85 gatorz7888

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:25 AM

 sofc, on 11 June 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

Don't like Callaway logo so don't usually play equipment or balls.

The best answer yet.

Personally I think each OEM has their area of expertise.

The only one that has stayed out of my bag completely is NIKE. To be fair I have never given their equipment a fair shake, purely a perception/brand thing. Callaway is great with Drivers/Woods, Mizuno is the best with irons, Cleveland are my favorite wedges, putters change all the time, Tons of good balls (Srixon, Bridgestone, etc).....IMO its hard to imagine Nike greatly out performing in any of those categories so I have avoided them. (there is a little bit of Tiger rebellion in there too).

To keep with the theme, I also agree that Titleist can be outperformed at a lesser cost in almost every category.

Callaway Razr Fit Xtreme -- 9.5 Aldila Tinity x Stiff -- 43"
Callaway Epic SZ 3 wood -- Matriz Ozik 7m3 x stiff
Callaway Apex 2 Hybrid -- 18' N.S. Pro 1150 x
Mizuno Mp 53, raw, gun oiled 4/5 iron -- N.S. Pro 1150s
Mizuno Mp 68, raw, gun oiled 6-PW -- N.S. Pro 1150s
Cleveland Tour Action Raw -- 53,56,60 --N.S. Pro 950
Odyssey Metal X Milled #9HT

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:31 AM

I don't play Titleist nor care to....why, well for starters they are a ball company first and foremost. I prefer to play with club companies first. Titleist for me has always had a sense of arrogance when it came to their drivers, " black  pear shaped heads for better golfers" " we are not into gimmicks"

But now that its owned by the Koreans (fila) and need to sell clubs they have finally seen the light and realized have decided to innovate. Their ball which  acounts for their fortune is also feeling some heat from other manufacturers and some unknown ones too.....Funny how that works when you have been standing still for so long.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:33 AM

One brand that I did not care to play, wear and am some what relived they are out of the club business is Nike, good riddance!

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

When the development is delivering fewer irons at a higher price, to force people to use theses generally disgusting hybrids, I am out of there - here in Sweden a 4-pw set of Titleist CBs are around US$ 1.000,-!!! - a set of 4-PW AP2s are around US$ 800 - not worth the money - there are so many other clubs of a similar quality, where you don't have to buy 2- or 3-irons for $200-250 each - while the whole hollow iron sets are not available here!

I do not like the front edge of newer Titleist AP2s - I switched to Cobra AmpCell Pros after testing the newer Titleist CBs, which are in fact just a set of old 990s with a little modification of no particular consequence.
That said, I am basically a Hogan man - up to the point, where Callaway obtained - and killed - the brand.
I have limited experience with Mizuno, but consider them being very good, the same goes for some of the Taylormades.
The whole business of trying to improve everything (often by claiming "our irons go farther", due to the fact that the lofts keep getting stronger) shall probably bite the manufacturers in their backsides some day. (hopefully soon, so we can go back to playing golf for the game's sake).

And this is by no means bashing Titleist, they have made so many beautifull clubs in the past, but the combo of high prices and ugly models shall probably work against them in the long run - something many manufacturers seem to have forgotten these days.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:05 AM

I don't intentionally avoid any OEM's, but because clubs are so similar, I prefer being more familiar with just a few brands.  Right now that's Cleveland/Srixon and Titleist (full lineup), Cobra & Taylormade (woods only), Mizuno (irons only), and Odyssey & Ping (putters only).

Edited by dsmil, 23 June 2017 - 09:06 AM.

Cobra King LTD Dr- Matrix Black Tie 65M4 (67g)
Cobra King LTD 3W - Matrix VLCT ST 82 (77g)
TM Jetspeed Hybrid 19* - Matrix Studio 94 (96g)  
TM Jetspeed Hybrid 22* - Matrix Ozik HD Program 95 (99g)    
Cleveland 588 CB 4-PW - DG S300
Cleveland 588 RTX 54*
Cleveland 588 RTX 60*
Odyssey Works Versa #7

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:18 AM

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