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Epic Driver Struggles


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#31 bird_4_3

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:38 PM

Went back to the g30 with an Accra fx360 in it.  So much more consistent.

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:45 PM

What is the setup you are using with with weights? 12F/2B or 2F/12B? it took me a while to get the feel and control of the 12F/2B setup. One of my friends could never get consistent until he went to a 2F/12B.

I'm really tempted  to start playing with swing weight and weight distribution with aftermarket weights.

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:46 PM

Has anyone like... put a grafalloy epic IN an epic? *Mindblown*

Edited by Neverfaze, 22 May 2017 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 09:02 PM

Originally mine was ordered with the Rogue I/O at 44.5 inches because Callaway stated they got a bad shipment of Silvers in (whatever that means).  Hated that shaft!  Played the Rogue silver all last year in my M2 and loved it.  Found a Rogue silver on eBay with a callaway tip, money.  Still kind of want to try this years M1 or M2 though. lol

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 09:12 PM

View PostNeverfaze, on 22 May 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

Has anyone like... put a grafalloy epic IN an epic? *Mindblown*

Two Epics can't occupy the same space at the same time... Haven't you ever seen "Timecop"

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 09:45 PM

View PostNeverfaze, on 22 May 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

Has anyone like... put a grafalloy epic IN an epic? *Mindblown*

I did put my grafalloy blue into an epic  ;)
Didn't like it so i pulled it out.....mmmmm...where we going with this.
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Posted 23 May 2017 - 01:24 AM

While I agree SW can be a major factor, as can shaft length, the total static weight also matters, especially on tempo. Some players see more consistent center contact with a heavier head and a heavier shaft to go with it. I think that can be pretty individual. Big difference in swing feel between a 190 gram head and 60 gram shaft vs a 205 gram head and a 75-80 gram shaft.

Just because they can make it lighter, and you can swing it faster, doesn't mean you will hit a lighter club as solidly as a heavier one. There's a reason Major League Baseball players don't all swing the lightest bats possible, even if it might give them a little more bat speed. They find their sweet spot. And wouldn't your Epic 3 wood that you like weigh more than the Epic driver when you are trying the same shaft in both heads?

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:33 AM

View PostUSGA22, on 22 May 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

I've had the EPIC (standard), and the 17 M1. I have found great joy in a new 917 D2 with the stock Blue Board. I've tried to get along with the multi-material heads, just not for me. I love the fact the Titleist is stock 45", I find the feel and overall accuracy of the club to be tremendous.

Put a Mitsubishi Rayon Tensei Blue shaft in my 917 D2 and it goes just as long as anything else and I can keep it in the fairway.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:51 AM

No problems here. Loving it. ++ yards for me and a tight dispersion. Three shafts have worked great Speeder 665 evo II and the Fuji 62 and 72. Pretty darn happy.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 08:43 AM

Honestly, if you're struggling with Epic (or any driver) you need to be properly fit.  During a "complete fitting," I don't stop at just indoor Trackman.  I take new driver and shaft varieties to golf course and hit 40-50 drives.


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:19 AM

Just in the process of this situation with an Epic. Demo on range and two rounds was awesome. Ordered and received a duplicate,...or so I thought. Inconsistent getting on the face, frankly I as 12 hdc, I don't expect consistency but a couple out on 18 should statistically happen you would think. Tried the demo and it was fine, tried to swap clubs but that is not allowed.

Had my Epic  swing weighted and it was D.3, that is "point" 3. Demo club was D3, that is without "point" and to exact spec.

Called Callaway and they couldn't have been nicer. Told them I wasn't covering a $500 driver with lead tape. They agreed and we are going officially "animal" at 45.5", dual sliding weights. Will see how it works out. By the way they offered to have a new one built to correct spec, the extra weight seemed just to obvious. Again first class effort from Callaway.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 12:09 PM

I got the Epic and couldn't keep it on the planet. Everything was left. Went with shafts that were significantly stiffer profiles to see if that was the problem. No help there either. Came to the conclusion that the head was just too light. Went back to a TM driver and all is right with the world again!
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Posted 23 May 2017 - 02:59 PM

View PostDRRicks, on 23 May 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I got the Epic and couldn't keep it on the planet. Everything was left. Went with shafts that were significantly stiffer profiles to see if that was the problem. No help there either. Came to the conclusion that the head was just too light. Went back to a TM driver and all is right with the world again!

Curious what TM you went with.  I have a fitting tomorrow.  I'm betting on either the M1 or M2 to win.
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Posted 23 May 2017 - 06:09 PM

M2 is a pretty awesome driver regardless of year.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 03:22 PM

View PostUSGA22, on 22 May 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

I've had the EPIC (standard), and the 17 M1. I have found great joy in a new 917 D2 with the stock Blue Board. I've tried to get along with the multi-material heads, just not for me. I love the fact the Titleist is stock 45", I find the feel and overall accuracy of the club to be tremendous.

Very true.  Arrived at the same conclusion.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 03:50 PM

OP here, ended up with a 2017 Taylormade M1 460 9.5 head with Fuji Pro 53 Stiff.

Edited by odshot68, 24 May 2017 - 03:51 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 03:58 PM

I went in for a driver fitting a few weeks ago with the Epic in mind. I had some of my longest shots with the Epic SZ but my misses were brutal. Tried about 5 different shafts and a few other heads.

Ended up with with a 2017 M1 9.5 460 with a tour ad BB7x. I would gladly give up the extra 7-8 yards for more consistency.
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:55 PM

View Postodshot68, on 23 May 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostDRRicks, on 23 May 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I got the Epic and couldn't keep it on the planet. Everything was left. Went with shafts that were significantly stiffer profiles to see if that was the problem. No help there either. Came to the conclusion that the head was just too light. Went back to a TM driver and all is right with the world again!

Curious what TM you went with.  I have a fitting tomorrow.  I'm betting on either the M1 or M2 to win.

I went M2 with Hzrdus Yellow...wasn't even a fair fight!
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 06:49 AM

View Postjrr, on 23 May 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Just in the process of this situation with an Epic. Demo on range and two rounds was awesome. Ordered and received a duplicate,...or so I thought. Inconsistent getting on the face, frankly I as 12 hdc, I don't expect consistency but a couple out on 18 should statistically happen you would think. Tried the demo and it was fine, tried to swap clubs but that is not allowed.

Had my Epic  swing weighted and it was D.3, that is "point" 3. Demo club was D3, that is without "point" and to exact spec.

Called Callaway and they couldn't have been nicer. Told them I wasn't covering a $500 driver with lead tape. They agreed and we are going officially "animal" at 45.5", dual sliding weights. Will see how it works out. By the way they offered to have a new one built to correct spec, the extra weight seemed just to obvious. Again first class effort from Callaway.

Follow on to my prior post. Stumbled on a great deal for a UST Elements Chrome 7F4. Threw it in this weekend. Yes the profile fits me a bit better than stock Hazrdus T800 6.0. But without adding the new sliding weight from Cally, the results were stunning. dispersion and consistency was radically improved. Sure had a few "holy crp" but immediately fixed.  I am now a believer in static weight impact.
Will probably leave well enough alone and not add the add'l weight.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 06:58 AM

I can't speak to the Epic but I have struggled with accuracy with some of the recent Callaway driver heads. I hit the center of the face but I seem to have an issue with initial alignment at setup. I have a hard time finding neutral. I think I'm square and the face is shut and every correction becomes an over correction.

It is obviously an indian and not the arrow situation but sometimes I think you have to come to the conclusion that not all head shapes/toplines are going to suit everyone's eye and move on.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 08:07 AM

View PostDRRicks, on 23 May 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I got the Epic and couldn't keep it on the planet. Everything was left. Went with shafts that were significantly stiffer profiles to see if that was the problem. No help there either. Came to the conclusion that the head was just too light. Went back to a TM driver and all is right with the world again!

Going to be different strokes for different folks.   I found last year's M2 to be considerably less forgiving than the SZ (both his Hzrdus yellow shafts).

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 08:30 AM

View PostDRRicks, on 23 May 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I got the Epic and couldn't keep it on the planet. Everything was left. Went with shafts that were significantly stiffer profiles to see if that was the problem. No help there either. Came to the conclusion that the head was just too light. Went back to a TM driver and all is right with the world again!

You can ask Callaway for an extra sliding weight to "animalize" the head, hot melt exists, as does lead tape or tungsten tabs.
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:13 PM

I threw the WB 70x from my 816 right into my Epic, which plays 44".  9* head, put it on the -1* setting from the older adaptor, weight dead center.  My miss is left, but I have never been able to say that in the past as my miss for 10+ years has been a gnarly slice/push.  Another big change from basically any driver before this is the huge increase in roll that I get from the Epic.

My swing is far from perfect, but this is the most accurate/forgiving driver I have owned.  I have not hit the 2017 M1/M2s, but owned both last year and I preferred the 816DBD to both of those...and the Epic to me is an improved version of that.
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:18 PM

Besides SW and shaft issue in general, from what I've seen the SZ head is much more open faced in the neutral setting than most other drivers. So even if everything else is right, if you came from a head that had a much more shut position, it's highly likely that you'll be inconsistent. First you'd start with the pushes and the slices, then you'd get frustrated and start to (sub)consciously change your swing and then end up with hooks and pulls.

Face angle needs to match your natural swing tendencies IMO.

Otherwise, are you using the same, or a very similar shaft that you've had success with in the past? I've tried tons of different shafts and almost no 2 shafts feel exactly the same, there are always small differences that make the club, and the swing in general feel different.
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:16 PM

Using the stock Speeder 665 from my XR16 Pro with the Epic head. Such a great combo!

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:55 PM

View PostAmpliFIRE, on 30 May 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

Using the stock Speeder 665 from my XR16 Pro with the Epic head. Such a great combo!
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 06:35 PM

View PostSwingMan, on 30 May 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

View PostDRRicks, on 23 May 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I got the Epic and couldn't keep it on the planet. Everything was left. Went with shafts that were significantly stiffer profiles to see if that was the problem. No help there either. Came to the conclusion that the head was just too light. Went back to a TM driver and all is right with the world again!

You can ask Callaway for an extra sliding weight to "animalize" the head, hot melt exists, as does lead tape or tungsten tabs.

I hear you, but it shouldn't be that hard!
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 10:23 PM

I'm on my second Epic (after a 'proper' fitting). And I have to say that so far I don't like it any more than the first time.

I'm going to try one more shaft, then off it goes.
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#59 Titleist-Golfer

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 10:55 PM

Do yourself a favor and buy a 2016 M2 - you will feel like you won the lottery!

Do yourself a favor and buy a 2016 M2 - you will feel like you won the lottery!

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#60 AmpliFIRE

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:11 PM

View PostTitleist-Golfer, on 30 May 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

Do yourself a favor and buy a 2016 M2 - you will feel like you won the lottery!

Do yourself a favor and buy a 2016 M2 - you will feel like you won the lottery!

You won the lottery twice?  lol

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