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#61 JMG_02

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 09:45 AM

I guess it was a bit of an exaggeration if anyone took my post to mean that it was like that always during December, which of course isn't true.  But, it DOES happen in December.  That virtually never happens in North Texas (muggy, humid/warm day in December) and the last time that happened was December 26th, 2015 when we had a F4 tornado wreck Rowlett.

But my mom and her whole side of the family is from Houston and I've spent many Thanksgivings and Christmas holidays down there, and I stand by my earlier statement that I wouldn't live down there.  :)


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 11:49 AM

View PostJMG_02, on 09 June 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:


But my mom and her whole side of the family is from Houston and I've spent many Thanksgivings and Christmas holidays down there, and I stand by my earlier statement that I wouldn't live down there.  :)

I've spoken to plenty of people who said the same thing, especially those out in Cali. My only response is "good, we have enough traffic as it is", lol.

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM

Interesting that no one mentioned the NE corridor - DC, Philly, NY, and Boston. Back when I was young people flocked there from everywhere.
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM

I was in the Navy for 22 years.  Lived in Orlando, Charleston, Kings Bay, GA (north of Jax), Columbia, SC, Norfolk, Charleston, Norfolk, Columbia, and finally San Diego.  I got here in 2008 and stayed after I retired in 2014 due to the wife's job.

The only thing I like about SD is the weather and the fact that I can wear flip flops just about anywhere and no one bats an eye at me.  My wife grew up in between Seattle and Vancouver, went to SC, and has been in California ever since (LA, Bay Area, and here) and said she never wanted to leave, which was...depressing.

However she's started looking for new career challenges and asked me where I'd be open to moving.  I spend a ton of time in Denver for work, but she doesn't want snow, so that's out.  That left us looking at Austin, San Antonio, and Charleston (because those are where the companies she's interviewed with so far are).  

The problem with Austin is it's becoming the San Francisco of the heartland very quickly.  Bunch of young, new money is flowing in and prices for condos downtown are on par with, or higher than, San Diego with no view of the ocean.  

Can still get some really nice houses cheaper than San Diego in the burbs, but I've also heard about the traffic and while that doesn't concern me because I work out of the house when not traveling, it does concern my wife.  We've been to Austin and I really liked the city...feels a lot like San Diego since it's also a college town, so it has that laid back vibe I really enjoy.  I don't care about people's politics, just how they treat me, so Austin with no state taxes, affordable housing (for now), and decent weather is an option for us...for now.  If we moved there, I'd want something close to one of the lakes, for sure.

Charleston was a surprise to me when she said she had interviews with companies there, but I'd go back in a heartbeat.  People are friendly, USC means South Carolina (I went there for undergrad and grad school) state taxes are 5% lower, $300 flat tax on car purchases (vice 8.5% here in CA), no traffic unless you're evacuating from a hurricane, and a great food scene downtown.  Tons of good, not necessarily great, public golf, but if we end up in Chucktown I'm making it a stipulation of moving that I get to join a private club just for the convenience and because I want to know I'll always be able to get an early tee time when it's hot in the summer.  Daniel Island (where I want to live) has some great schools as well as other parts of town.  Great beaches and the water actually gets warm in the summer, unlike the Pacific.  Charleston is also 30% cheaper cost of living compared to San Diego on the online calculators.

Wife and son have spent the last two spring breaks in San Antonio, TX and have absolutely loved it.  Ridiculously cheap housing, what appears to be good golf, and no state taxes, which is a 13% instant pay "raise."  Property taxes are only 1% more than what we pay here in the Point Loma area of San Diego, so we'd definitely come out ahead.  Looks like there's some really good school districts as well.  San Antonio is 40% cheaper cost of living on the calculators.

For comparison, my wife and I have a 2100 sf house that has a view of the ocean since we cut down the two big trees blocking it as soon as we moved in.  We paid $815K in 2013 which pissed me off to no end since I grew up in Ft. Wayne, IN and there isn't a house in the entire city that costs that much.  Estimates are that if we sold it now, without really putting any cash into it other than painting it, it'll be around $1.1M which while awesome for my pocket is also absurdly ridiculous.  I have been looking at houses online and Austin and Charleston are about the same...around $500K for 4/4 with 3500sf in a good area.  San Antonio was about $350-400K, so significantly cheaper.

If I had my druthers though, I'd move to Columbia, SC.  Great, small town with a ton of stuff to do for a city that size and great food.  2 hours from the ocean and two hours from the mountains if you want to go skiing.  Private golf courses there are ridiculously cheap (< $2000 initiation and 400/mo) for something that's always in phenomenal shape.  Lake Murray on the north side of town is a fishing and boating paradise as well.  Only time you have to worry about traffic is when there's a home football game at Williams-Brice.

The only upside to living in SoCal, other than the weather, is that you can save more into your 401k if your employer matches before retirement since salaries are significantly higher for the same job than they are in the midwest and southeast.  Once you have enough saved up to move and be comfortable though, you should get out as soon as possible, IMO.
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Posted 10 June 2017 - 08:13 PM

View Postthug the bunny, on 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Interesting that no one mentioned the NE corridor - DC, Philly, NY, and Boston. Back when I was young people flocked there from everywhere.
Go there if you love toll roads.

They're everywhere.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:00 PM

View Postthug the bunny, on 22 May 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

It's funny how you call it 'escaping'. Hotel California is a weird place. I moved to the bay area from Jersey, and 5 yrs later I escaped back to Jersey. I'm not saying that Jersey is a paradise, but..

I would check out Austin, Nashville, or Ashville NC.

Those three are my top three.  Nashville being first.
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Posted 11 June 2017 - 07:16 PM

View Postohioglfr, on 10 June 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

View Postthug the bunny, on 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Interesting that no one mentioned the NE corridor - DC, Philly, NY, and Boston. Back when I was young people flocked there from everywhere.
Go there if you love toll roads.

They're everywhere.

And insane property prices!  And humidity in the summer

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 10:02 PM

View PostMunich77, on 11 June 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

View Postohioglfr, on 10 June 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

View Postthug the bunny, on 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Interesting that no one mentioned the NE corridor - DC, Philly, NY, and Boston. Back when I was young people flocked there from everywhere.
Go there if you love toll roads.

They're everywhere.

And insane property prices!  And humidity in the summer

All true. But, someone once said 'there's no place like home'.

The NJ Turnpike Authority is a corrupt organization. They are trying to force everyone to adopt the EZ Pass system where they charge you a variable rate. Recently I got 2 tickets when I dumped the change into the basket, and didn't get the 'paid' sign so I drove off. In 40 yrs of driving the garden state parkway, I never got one. Now suddenly I get 2 in 3 months. Something very fishy going on here. Needless to say, I will not pay the fines. I would rather pay a lawyer $500 than give that POS organization the $150 in fines.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:58 PM

Texas is full.
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 07:10 PM

In all seriousness...Portland, TX is about to boom financially.

Exxon Movile is building a huge polyethylene plant there...something like $50B in total construction.

I live on north padre about 30 minutes from Portland.

Fishing and hunting are awesome...Golf is good.  Weather is hot and windy...winters are mild.

There is no cheaper place for coastal living in the CONUS.

I am in a 2450 square foot house less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico....houses in my little town like that are low to mid 300s.

Canal lots are about 50 - 60%  more.  

Insurance is a biotch because of hurricanes.

I freaking love it there...I ran 40 miles down Padre Osland national seashore on saturday and fished and played 18 sunday afternoon aftwr church.

And it's Texas.

Edit to add:  As a University of Houston Alum...Houston sucks.  Would not live there for twoce what i make now.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:18 PM

View PostOsnolaKinnard, on 12 June 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

In all seriousness...Portland, TX is about to boom financially.

Exxon Movile is building a huge polyethylene plant there...something like $50B in total construction.

I live on north padre about 30 minutes from Portland.

Fishing and hunting are awesome...Golf is good.  Weather is hot and windy...winters are mild.

There is no cheaper place for coastal living in the CONUS.

I am in a 2450 square foot house less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico....houses in my little town like that are low to mid 300s.

Canal lots are about 50 - 60%  more.  

Insurance is a biotch because of hurricanes.

I freaking love it there...I ran 40 miles down Padre Osland national seashore on saturday and fished and played 18 sunday afternoon aftwr church.

And it's Texas.

Edit to add:  As a University of Houston Alum...Houston sucks.  Would not live there for twoce what i make now.

I want to know who first came to what is now Houston and said, 'Yeah, I want to settle down here'...
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:35 PM

My wife is from Katy...can'tstand going back.  Feels very plastic and fake...like all the women's boobs over there.


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 06:21 PM

View PostOsnolaKinnard, on 12 June 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

In all seriousness...Portland, TX is about to boom financially.

Exxon Movile is building a huge polyethylene plant there...something like $50B in total construction.

I live on north padre about 30 minutes from Portland.

Fishing and hunting are awesome...Golf is good.  Weather is hot and windy...winters are mild.

There is no cheaper place for coastal living in the CONUS.

I am in a 2450 square foot house less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico....houses in my little town like that are low to mid 300s.

Canal lots are about 50 - 60%  more.  

Insurance is a biotch because of hurricanes.

I freaking love it there...I ran 40 miles down Padre Osland national seashore on saturday and fished and played 18 sunday afternoon aftwr church.

And it's Texas.

Edit to add:  As a University of Houston Alum...Houston sucks.  Would not live there for twoce what i make now.
Thanks for that "inside baseball". On paper, the place looks like what I'm looking for, although wind is a constant. Fortunately, I have some good engineering experience in wind power (which would suit me well in my semi-retirement). I love the tales I've heard on the fishing there. And, hell, I'd be happy as a lark windsurfing on the bay all day with a belt of beers around my waist.

Everybody, thanks for the info and pontification. Just today, for giggles I was checking the real estate prices where my brother and dad live in Reno and Carson City. Frankly, the real estate there is rapidly climbing in price as the Californians escape like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Without getting political - I am saddened by what's happening to California. In my youth, we (like any working-class family) could live near the beach. The schools were good. There was lots of industry here (my dad made a fortune in the aerospace business - now gone). This was an amazing place. Now, the natural beauty is the only draw for most. Somebody here mentioned San Diego. I love SD but, frankly, I'd have to win the Lotto to afford what I'd want there. I'll be down there doing a presentation next month and, hopefully, down there for a tuna fishing trip soon. Love the place. I still have some family there and I tease them for not owning any cold-weather gear. Everybody in SD is smiling all the time and the women are incredible.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:24 AM

View Postthug the bunny, on 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Interesting that no one mentioned the NE corridor - DC, Philly, NY, and Boston. Back when I was young people flocked there from everywhere.

Are you crazy?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:23 AM

View PostWKent, on 17 June 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

View Postthug the bunny, on 09 June 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Interesting that no one mentioned the NE corridor - DC, Philly, NY, and Boston. Back when I was young people flocked there from everywhere.

Are you crazy?

Hey it's paradise on Earth! (tongue firmly in cheek) Actually, when I came back from my California mistake, I 'discovered' that S Jersey is actually pretty wonderful because you have great recreation and it's uncrowded (except for summer weekends), but it's close enough to the great NE cities if you want to partake.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:01 PM

 thug the bunny, on 12 June 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

 OsnolaKinnard, on 12 June 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

In all seriousness...Portland, TX is about to boom financially.

Exxon Movile is building a huge polyethylene plant there...something like $50B in total construction.

I live on north padre about 30 minutes from Portland.

Fishing and hunting are awesome...Golf is good.  Weather is hot and windy...winters are mild.

There is no cheaper place for coastal living in the CONUS.

I am in a 2450 square foot house less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico....houses in my little town like that are low to mid 300s.

Canal lots are about 50 - 60%  more.  

Insurance is a biotch because of hurricanes.

I freaking love it there...I ran 40 miles down Padre Osland national seashore on saturday and fished and played 18 sunday afternoon aftwr church.

And it's Texas.

Edit to add:  As a University of Houston Alum...Houston sucks.  Would not live there for twoce what i make now.

I want to know who first came to what is now Houston and said, 'Yeah, I want to settle down here'...
Not to throw this topic too far off subject but...
LOL I think that about a lot of things, especially about some of the ingredients in food.
It is a fact that vanilla flavoring is actually made from the juices that come out of a beaver's rearend. Who is the first person that said, "Yep! I'll try that! Tastes like vanilla!" LOL
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:38 PM

I always wondered that about mayonnaise. Let's see, I think i'll mix raw egg and oil together, yummy!
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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:31 AM

My wife and I have travelled to Boise, Seattle and Portland in the last yr with the intention of relocating. We've decided on Hillsboro, OR, about 10-15 miles outside of Portland. My wife has always wanted to live on a tree-lined street and you're spoilt for choice in OR. We've had better food from the food trucks there than in some restaurants we've eaten at. Great cultural scene as well.

I lived in Charleston, SC for 9 yrs and left in 2015 ironically enough to CA! A couple of notes; property prices have increased by a fair measure due to Boeing and a host of other big companies relocating to South Carolina. According to a State poll, South Carolina has approximately 40 people moving there everyday.Traffic on the i-26 heading east has become a parking lot Mon-Fri. It would take me safely an 1hr and 15min to travel 20 miles each way. I guess like any place, work and where you reside is the key to avoiding some of the traffic congestion. I've attached a nice little read for you.
http://www.postandco...0ccb86424f.html

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:42 AM

 BeerPerHole, on 22 May 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

Ok, let's be sure to not get political on this one. But, I certainly welcome constructive input.

After growing up here and spending most of my life here in Cali the wife and I have been seriously considering making our escape in the near future. I'm a few years out as I plan to hit an early retirement then jet. All of my family has left, I'm the last one here. Dad and brother are in Nevada - Reno and Carson. Mom's in Florida. I'm an old dad and my kids will still be in school so we're looking for a family-friendly place with good schools. We've traveled very little so far but will start taking some trips to further our research. I have a short list so far. One place that intrigues me, on paper, is Portland, TX. Where are you, and what places do you think are worth looking at? I'd prefer good golf, close to a coast, good schools, affordable.

In the last 15 years I have lived in:

South Lake Tahoe, CA (2yrs)
Ithaca, NY (2yrs)
NYC (1yr)
Orlando (3yrs)
Austin, TX (3yrs)
Las Vegas, NV (4yrs)

Quick review on all.

Ithaca - Rural, small college town, horrible weather from Nov - May, would not move back, certainly would not retire here.  
NYC - Great city, tons of fun, not retirement material, too expensive, and tons going on, but not sure I could live there again for any extended period of time.
Orlando - Great tax rate, good weather (humid), and great golf.  Pretty decent for a retirement spot if you can handle FL humidity.
Austin - Fun if your a 25yr old hipster or in town for a weekend getaway.  Lots of retirees moving there from CA and other folks moving in has driven real estate prices through the roof.  Traffic is awful, and the city is just not as cool as people will tell you it is.  Great for a 3 day weekend, not for retirement.   Property tax is stupid high in TX as well.
Las Vegas - great weather, almost no rain, reasonable real estate rates and cost of living.  Its close to Cali/Phoenix/Tahoe/Zion and plenty of great outdoor spots to relax.  Taxes are low here as well.  Currently this would be my choice if I was departing Cali for retirement purposes.

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 07:25 PM

 dieselmd, on 30 June 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

My wife and I have travelled to Boise, Seattle and Portland in the last yr with the intention of relocating. We've decided on Hillsboro, OR, about 10-15 miles outside of Portland. My wife has always wanted to live on a tree-lined street and you're spoilt for choice in OR. We've had better food from the food trucks there than in some restaurants we've eaten at. Great cultural scene as well.

I lived in Charleston, SC for 9 yrs and left in 2015 ironically enough to CA! A couple of notes; property prices have increased by a fair measure due to Boeing and a host of other big companies relocating to South Carolina. According to a State poll, South Carolina has approximately 40 people moving there everyday.Traffic on the i-26 heading east has become a parking lot Mon-Fri. It would take me safely an 1hr and 15min to travel 20 miles each way. I guess like any place, work and where you reside is the key to avoiding some of the traffic congestion. I've attached a nice little read for you.
http://www.postandco...0ccb86424f.html

Welcome to Oregon, it is great here.  I'm a southerner, and I love the large oaks and firs in our yard and neighborhood.  Most of my neighbors don't like the "coverage" the trees provide.  

But, the traffic in Portland isn't fun either.  It isn't I-405 Los Angeles bad, but it is not good.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 04:26 PM

View Postdieselmd, on 30 June 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

My wife and I have travelled to Boise, Seattle and Portland in the last yr with the intention of relocating. We've decided on Hillsboro, OR, about 10-15 miles outside of Portland. My wife has always wanted to live on a tree-lined street and you're spoilt for choice in OR. We've had better food from the food trucks there than in some restaurants we've eaten at. Great cultural scene as well.

I lived in Charleston, SC for 9 yrs and left in 2015 ironically enough to CA! A couple of notes; property prices have increased by a fair measure due to Boeing and a host of other big companies relocating to South Carolina. According to a State poll, South Carolina has approximately 40 people moving there everyday.Traffic on the i-26 heading east has become a parking lot Mon-Fri. It would take me safely an 1hr and 15min to travel 20 miles each way. I guess like any place, work and where you reside is the key to avoiding some of the traffic congestion. I've attached a nice little read for you.
http://www.postandco...0ccb86424f.html

Ironically enough, my wife accepted a position in Charleston.  I lived there from 93-96 and again from 02-03 and loved it both times.  I'd be happier if we were going to Columbia instead of Charleston since everything is even that much cheaper than Charleston, but anything to get out of the SoCal rat race is good for me.  We're 99.99% sure we'll end up in Belle Hall and joining Daniel Island Club once we get settled.  It's amazing how "inexpensive" both are compared to San Diego.  I won't talk bad about San Diego after I leave though, the equity we've built up in four years here is making it possible to do what we want in SC and have plenty of cash left over!
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 02:19 PM

If you like Columbia over Charleston, then you should look at Greenville (if you relocate again).  It is a very nice place to live, and I like it a lot more than Columbia.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:00 PM

Well finally... Today I made an offer on a property in a very nice golf community in Northern Nevada. I appreciate all the input I got earlier on this here. I took a trip to Missouri since starting this thread and played a little golf. Frankly, the heat/humidity really kicked my arse. That was educational. The locals, when I asked, said, "No, we don't get used to it." Haha. I have always liked high dessert and I have family in Northern Nevada...

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:33 AM

View Postws6, on 02 July 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

View Postdieselmd, on 30 June 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

My wife and I have travelled to Boise, Seattle and Portland in the last yr with the intention of relocating. We've decided on Hillsboro, OR, about 10-15 miles outside of Portland. My wife has always wanted to live on a tree-lined street and you're spoilt for choice in OR. We've had better food from the food trucks there than in some restaurants we've eaten at. Great cultural scene as well.

I lived in Charleston, SC for 9 yrs and left in 2015 ironically enough to CA! A couple of notes; property prices have increased by a fair measure due to Boeing and a host of other big companies relocating to South Carolina. According to a State poll, South Carolina has approximately 40 people moving there everyday.Traffic on the i-26 heading east has become a parking lot Mon-Fri. It would take me safely an 1hr and 15min to travel 20 miles each way. I guess like any place, work and where you reside is the key to avoiding some of the traffic congestion. I've attached a nice little read for you.
http://www.postandco...0ccb86424f.html

Welcome to Oregon, it is great here.  I'm a southerner, and I love the large oaks and firs in our yard and neighborhood.  Most of my neighbors don't like the "coverage" the trees provide.  

But, the traffic in Portland isn't fun either.  It isn't I-405 Los Angeles bad, but it is not good.

That's why southern Oregon is the answer.  But, don't tell anyone, and if you do give them my number to find them a home ;)

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:15 PM

View PostBeerPerHole, on 13 September 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

Well finally... Today I made an offer on a property in a very nice golf community in Northern Nevada. I appreciate all the input I got earlier on this here. I took a trip to Missouri since starting this thread and played a little golf. Frankly, the heat/humidity really kicked my arse. That was educational. The locals, when I asked, said, "No, we don't get used to it." Haha. I have always liked high dessert and I have family in Northern Nevada...

As a life long Northern Nevadan, welcome to the area! What golf community are you heading to?

I can also relate to you in regards to the heat/humidity. We took a family vacation to Orlando/Daytona Beach a couple weeks ago in mid-August and I couldn't believe the humidity. I don't know how you guys in the Southeast can handle it.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:14 PM

Incline Village?  My Coloradan wife is eyeing that as a retirement spot if our kids move away from Oregon when they finish school.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:52 AM

View PostNV825, on 14 September 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

View PostBeerPerHole, on 13 September 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

Well finally... Today I made an offer on a property in a very nice golf community in Northern Nevada. I appreciate all the input I got earlier on this here. I took a trip to Missouri since starting this thread and played a little golf. Frankly, the heat/humidity really kicked my arse. That was educational. The locals, when I asked, said, "No, we don't get used to it." Haha. I have always liked high dessert and I have family in Northern Nevada...

As a life long Northern Nevadan, welcome to the area! What golf community are you heading to?

I can also relate to you in regards to the heat/humidity. We took a family vacation to Orlando/Daytona Beach a couple weeks ago in mid-August and I couldn't believe the humidity. I don't know how you guys in the Southeast can handle it.

Same way some people handle snow. And no golf for months of the year. And sub zero temps. You just get used to it. I'd rather live in 100 degrees and 100% humidity 365 days a year than to live through another winter like I had in New Jersey when I lived there in 05-06, and that was apparently "mild", and obviously pales in comparison to other parts of the country (Midwest for example).

Over my life I have adapted to the heat. Cold weather is painful to me. People always say "but in the cold, you can always put more clothes on", but that doesn't work for me. It's still misery and I don't know how anyone can stand to be outside for more than a minute or two in the snow.when it hits 50, I'm wearing my full on heavy winter jacket, gloves and a beanie.

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 11:02 AM

View PostSpicoli, on 15 September 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:

Traffic royally sucks...

I moved from Atlanta to San Francisco 20 years ago.  The people in San Francisco commonly made comments to me like, "I bet you never seen traffic like the Bay Area before."  I'd ask them have you ever been to Atlanta and sat on i285 or GA 400?

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:34 PM

I moved out to SoCal in 2010 from Northeast NJ, where I spent my entire life (32 years at that point).  I will say, I am no fan of winter so the weather out here has been really good for my overall mental health but there are lots of other things that aren't so good...LOL  

It's taken me a few years but I have realized that unless we can afford to live comfortably south of where we are now, in Long Beach, I'd rather leave all together when the kids are grown.  We bought a 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house in 2012, 1150 sq ft for 320k.  Sold it about 3 months ago for 550k and that wasn't our highest offer either.  Real estate pays our bills but it is insane out here.  It can not last and we watch many people who work their a** off try and buy a home and fall short time after time.  Its really unfortunate.

Nevada would have been my suggestion, I have a buddy in Las Vegas and I like it there but Northern Nevada sounds really nice, too.  I'm not sure if the perfect place really exists, there's always some sort of sacrifice to be made so you kind of have to weigh what is most important to what is least, for you.  I would love to hear how you are liking your new found home, I have heard great things about some of those areas in the northern part of Nevada.  A little bit of season is ok, but I can't go back to winters where we have a foot of snow and 10 degree temps... no thanks.  

Best of luck to you and your family, hope it is everything you've been looking for!
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 10:47 AM

Im in Iowa which isnt too bad for humidity but you really do never get used to it because it's only here for like 2 months so there isnt time to adjust. I like the midwest because we have the change of seasons. Winter and summer are just so much difference and its kind of liberating. Plus the short time of Amazing fall weather is worth it alone. I could never live in Florida or anywhere in the southeast for that matter. Northern Nevada sounds cool along with Colorado and Montana but I'll stay away from the east coast!


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