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I Guess I'll Never Play Pebble Beach


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#271 joekelli

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:23 AM

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:51 AM

View Postmukster, on 13 November 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Stumbled upon this thread today. Although I personally would play a lot of other iconic courses before PB, it does have a magic feel to it. We drove past there in 2010 and stopped and walked around.  

We were in South Africa this year and played Pinnacle Point with the same folks we visited PB with and the comparison had to come up. Here are a few snaps of our round at PP.

For the record, it was around CAD$100 per player with cart. That's US$78 :)  Next time I'll take a decent camera.....

Well, dang!  We were in SA a while back and went between L'Agulhas and Port Elizabeth.  I looked into playing Pinnacle Point but the trip was too long and convoluted to shlep my clubs along.  I know, I'm an idiot.  The course is beautiful and it certainly bears a resemblance to Pebble Beach.  And, you know, I love Pebble Beach and the California coast to death but when golf announcers say that PB is at "the finest marriage of land and sea on Earth"  I think: they should go to South Africa.  The coastline there is breathtaking.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:29 PM

View Postduffer987, on 14 November 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

View PostSASpeeder, on 14 November 2017 - 01:35 AM, said:

View Postduffer987, on 13 November 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

View Postmukster, on 13 November 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Stumbled upon this thread today. Although I personally would play a lot of other iconic courses before PB, it does have a magic feel to it. We drove past there in 2010 and stopped and walked around.  

We were in South Africa this year and played Pinnacle Point with the same folks we visited PB with and the comparison had to come up. Here are a few snaps of our round at PP.

For the record, it was around CAD$100 per player with cart. That's US$78 :)  Next time I'll take a decent camera.....

So you are comparing a course you played to one you drove past? That's a new one on the apples to oranges spectrum.

"...drove past there in 2010 and STOPPED AND WALKED AROUND...". That's a new one on the reading and comprehending before commenting spectrum.

Thanks! :)
I read and comprehended just fine IMHO. I left the walking bit off for affect, so the sloppiness in my reply is duly noted.
As the point is, you cannot compare a course you've actually played to one where you walked along for 17,18 and maybe 13, 14 (IIRC are also accessible to the public).

I can't imagine you would get much of a feel for the layout from where the public is allowed.

Although I think it's overpriced, that's part of why I ponied up the $, it buys you the right to have an opinion at least.


Edited by Matt J, 14 November 2017 - 11:30 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:15 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 13 November 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

View PostKevinx, on 13 November 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

I'm not paying 500 + for a 6 hr round. I play golf to enjoy. Not suffer for 6 hrs. I don't have a bucket list. Nothing is that important. One day I'll get to the old course. Other than that I could care less.

I played PB back in July. It was a beautiful day, and the round took ~5.5 hours. Now, I'm generally a speed golfer, and like to play in 4 hours or less. 4:30 is stretching it.

The round was the highlight of the year. The pace never bothered me. I knew it was going to be rather slow going in, and planned to spend the entire day there. Started with the scenic drive, breakfast overlooking the 18th green, practice putting green, driving range, round, drinks overlooking the 18th green, and dinner. I took a ton of pics, and my caddie kept me engaged the whole time.

Sure, I could have played better with a faster pace, but I wasn't going to let the pace spoil an otherwise great day. I'll finish the season with 100 rounds. The majority of those will be quick, 2 to 3 hour rounds. I think I could live with one slow round if it was as scenic as PB.
Most of your rounds are 2, 3 hours? You would die if you played here in the mountains of NJ. 4.5 hours is the time on the scorecards that is the targeted time to finish.

But glad you enjoyed Pebble. Did you play any of the courses like Spyglass Hill or Spanish Bay?

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:19 AM

View PostKevinx, on 13 November 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

Hey each their own. I don't care where i am. Maybe its a New York thing but 5 to 6 hours for a round is not for me. I don't care what course it is.. Maybe they should ban picture taking and after the round drive you to each tee box and take pictures so you don't slow the pace.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:39 AM

View Postgolfer07840, on 15 November 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 13 November 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

View PostKevinx, on 13 November 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

I'm not paying 500 + for a 6 hr round. I play golf to enjoy. Not suffer for 6 hrs. I don't have a bucket list. Nothing is that important. One day I'll get to the old course. Other than that I could care less.

I played PB back in July. It was a beautiful day, and the round took ~5.5 hours. Now, I'm generally a speed golfer, and like to play in 4 hours or less. 4:30 is stretching it.

The round was the highlight of the year. The pace never bothered me. I knew it was going to be rather slow going in, and planned to spend the entire day there. Started with the scenic drive, breakfast overlooking the 18th green, practice putting green, driving range, round, drinks overlooking the 18th green, and dinner. I took a ton of pics, and my caddie kept me engaged the whole time.

Sure, I could have played better with a faster pace, but I wasn't going to let the pace spoil an otherwise great day. I'll finish the season with 100 rounds. The majority of those will be quick, 2 to 3 hour rounds. I think I could live with one slow round if it was as scenic as PB.

Most of your rounds are 2, 3 hours? You would die if you played here in the mountains of NJ. 4.5 hours is the time on the scorecards that is the targeted time to finish.

But glad you enjoyed Pebble. Did you play any of the courses like Spyglass Hill or Spanish Bay?

A typical round here on a mid-season weekend morning is 4 to 4:30. I know enough to avoid the course where pace of play is a joke.

I take 6 to 8 golf trips a year, and I generally play two rounds a day. I try to book the first tee time, and those rounds are in the 2:15 to 2:30 range. My round at Wolf Creek this past April took a whopping 3 hours because I was taking so many pics. My 2nd round of the day is often solo as well, and generally takes ~3 hours on a mostly empty course.

I played Pebble this past July on a bucket list trip that included 9 rounds in 6 days (http://www.golfwrx.c...ey-trip-report/). Spyglass and Spanish Bay were included, along with Harding Park, Presidio, Poppy Hills, Pasatiempo, and the two courses at Half Moon Bay.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 12:23 PM

Strange, but if I was playing alone, I don't think that I would spend the money on the round. However, I did not think twice to double the amount and play with my son. Per the photo, perfect day that I will always remember. I have never thought about the actual price after playing Pebble with my son.... he did end up with a birdie on 7!

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:56 AM

View PostSASpeeder, on 14 November 2017 - 01:31 AM, said:

View Postmukster, on 13 November 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Stumbled upon this thread today. Although I personally would play a lot of other iconic courses before PB, it does have a magic feel to it. We drove past there in 2010 and stopped and walked around.  

We were in South Africa this year and played Pinnacle Point with the same folks we visited PB with and the comparison had to come up. Here are a few snaps of our round at PP.

For the record, it was around CAD$100 per player with cart. That's US$78 :)  Next time I'll take a decent camera.....

Glad you had a good experience playing in my home country and province! Please do return and play a few courses here in Cape Town. ��

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:55 PM

View Postslcgolfer, on 15 November 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

Strange, but if I was playing alone, I don't think that I would spend the money on the round. However, I did not think twice to double the amount and play with my son. Per the photo, perfect day that I will always remember. I have never thought about the actual price after playing Pebble with my son.... he did end up with a birdie on 7!
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Been reading this thread and laugh at the comments but your comment sir I had to reply.  Played with Family and when I was young. . Don’t recall much about the course impressing me other then the Ocean views coming from Montana..... BUT it was one of the last rounds with my grandfather before it was to hard for him to play.  Can never put a price on that....

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM

I'm not sure if what it costs now would be worth it. Being able to go to Scotland and play a bunch of great links courses seems like a better experience and value


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 07:24 PM

View PostPlayingThrough824, on 17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

I'm not sure if what it costs now would be worth it. Being able to go to Scotland and play a bunch of great links courses seems like a better experience and value

I'm not sure Pebble Beach would ever stand up on the value scale. There are a lot of excellent courses that are far less expensive. For me the course was about the experience. It has hosted numerous professional tournaments, including a boatload of majors. The views are stunning. The grounds are almost sacred ground.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 07:29 PM

View PostArgonne69, on 17 November 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

View PostPlayingThrough824, on 17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

I'm not sure if what it costs now would be worth it. Being able to go to Scotland and play a bunch of great links courses seems like a better experience and value

I'm not sure Pebble Beach would ever stand up on the value scale. There are a lot of excellent courses that are far less expensive. For me the course was about the experience. It has hosted numerous professional tournaments, including a boatload of majors. The views are stunning. The grounds are almost sacred ground.

I think this is crazy talk. Pebble might be the greatest value in golf. $500 for a top ten golf course is short money compared to what you’d pay for any of its peers. I bet pebble has the lowest revenue per round of any top 25 course.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 10:10 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 17 November 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 17 November 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

View PostPlayingThrough824, on 17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

I'm not sure if what it costs now would be worth it. Being able to go to Scotland and play a bunch of great links courses seems like a better experience and value

I'm not sure Pebble Beach would ever stand up on the value scale. There are a lot of excellent courses that are far less expensive. For me the course was about the experience. It has hosted numerous professional tournaments, including a boatload of majors. The views are stunning. The grounds are almost sacred ground.

I think this is crazy talk. Pebble might be the greatest value in golf. $500 for a top ten golf course is short money compared to what you’d pay for any of its peers. I bet pebble has the lowest revenue per round of any top 25 course.

Bandon? Kiawah? What resort courses charge more than $500 to play?

Or are you just saying one needs to be a millionaire to join Cypress or Merion? When I played Cypress Point as a guest it cost me maybe $100-ish and I’d argue it is a better course than Pebble.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 10:28 AM

At $500 plus caddie, Pebble is one of the most expensive courses open to the public. Bandon, Kiawah, Erin Hills, Prairie Dunes, and Pinehurst are less expensive.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 11:04 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 18 November 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

At $500 plus caddie, Pebble is one of the most expensive courses open to the public. Bandon, Kiawah, Erin Hills, Prairie Dunes, and Pinehurst are less expensive.

But not by a huge margin is it?  I haven’t played them so this obviously just hearsay, but aren’t places like Kiawah, Pinehurst (#2), and Sawgrass all above $300?  When I get into those price ranges it becomes one of those “once in a lifetime” deals.  Expensive. But if I’m playing $300, I’d much rather add the other $200 and play the most iconic public course in the country (IMO).

I do also realize those other places offer more deals than PB. Just going off the rack rates.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 11:16 AM

View Postjoekelli, on 14 November 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

I didn’t read thru all 10 pages - but just wanted to say that Pebble is at least a once in a lifetime experience.  Doesn’t matter what it costs.  It’s worth it at least once. Lodging, food, booze, golf all top notch. Memories last forever.  Regret does also...

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 01:09 PM

This is a simple one for me. I am a nurse and make no where near the money to afford playing at a course like this. makes it pretty easy
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 01:45 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Bandon? Kiawah? What resort courses charge more than $500 to play?

Or are you just saying one needs to be a millionaire to join Cypress or Merion? When I played Cypress Point as a guest it cost me maybe $100-ish and I’d argue it is a better course than Pebble.

Pebble is the best public access course in the United States, and it’s not a close race. It’s peers are the other Top 10/15/20 courses in the country.

The $100 that you paid at Cypress was subsidized by the members. If you divide their (CPC) total revenue (~$10M) by total rounds played (~15,000) you get a cost per round of $666. That’s a pretty typical number for a top club - and Pebble belongs in that category.

If you look at the market rate for similar rounds, peruse the charity auction site biddingforgood- there are a handful of “Top” golf course threesomes being auctioned right now, and they’re in the ~$2,000 - $3,000 range (for three). That’s market for a course of Pebble’s quality and pedigree. PB is a bargain at $500.

Of course it’s more expensive than every other resort course (save shadow creek) - shouldn’t it be? How could Kiawah or Pinehurst justify fees higher than PB?

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 01:53 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 18 November 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Bandon? Kiawah? What resort courses charge more than $500 to play?

Or are you just saying one needs to be a millionaire to join Cypress or Merion? When I played Cypress Point as a guest it cost me maybe $100-ish and I’d argue it is a better course than Pebble.

Pebble is the best public access course in the United States, and it’s not a close race. It’s peers are the other Top 10/15/20 courses in the country.

The $100 that you paid at Cypress was subsidized by the members. If you divide their (CPC) total revenue (~$10M) by total rounds played (~15,000) you get a cost per round of $666. That’s a pretty typical number for a top club - and Pebble belongs in that category.

If you look at the market rate for similar rounds, peruse the charity auction site biddingforgood- there are a handful of “Top” golf course threesomes being auctioned right now, and they’re in the ~$2,000 - $3,000 range (for three). That’s market for a course of Pebble’s quality and pedigree. PB is a bargain at $500.

Of course it’s more expensive than every other resort course (save shadow creek) - shouldn’t it be? How could Kiawah or Pinehurst justify fees higher than PB?

So that’s a no,  in so many words,

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:00 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:


So that’s a no,  in so many words,

It’s an “of course not, and nor should their be” - the fact that Pebble is on par with Shadow Creek, and only a ~10% premium to Pinehurst #2 demonstrate the relative value.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:06 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 18 November 2017 - 02:00 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:


So that’s a no,  in so many words,

It’s an “of course not, and nor should their be” - the fact that Pebble is on par with Shadow Creek, and only a ~10% premium to Pinehurst #2 demonstrate the relative value.

So #2 costing 10% less makes it one if the “more expensive than Pebble” courses you referred to?

Funny math, that.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:09 PM

At this point I am pretty safe in venturing to guess that you are a magazine course rater, no?
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:25 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 18 November 2017 - 02:00 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:


So that’s a no,  in so many words,

It’s an “of course not, and nor should their be” - the fact that Pebble is on par with Shadow Creek, and only a ~10% premium to Pinehurst #2 demonstrate the relative value.

So #2 costing 10% less makes it one if the “more expensive than Pebble” courses you referred to?

Funny math, that.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The “more expensive than pebble” are both the costs and market rates of tee times at top 20 private clubs.

Pebble is obviously more expensive than other resort courses. It is obviously also a better course (/experience).

Pebble is less expensive than a round at a comparable private course - say Winged Foot or Shinnecock - and is likely still the better course /experience.

There are a lot of guys paying $500+ per round at their private clubs that aren’t even close to Pebble from a quality perspective.

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 02:09 PM, said:

At this point I am pretty safe in venturing to guess that you are a magazine course rater, no?

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:53 PM

Sorry for the rater gibe but the punters who show up to play Pebble Beach every day don’t even think about what it costs to be a member of Merion or Cypress Point. Two entirely different things.

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

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I'm not sure if what it costs now would be worth it. Being able to go to Scotland and play a bunch of great links courses seems like a better experience and value

I'm not sure Pebble Beach would ever stand up on the value scale. There are a lot of excellent courses that are far less expensive. For me the course was about the experience. It has hosted numerous professional tournaments, including a boatload of majors. The views are stunning. The grounds are almost sacred ground.

I think this is crazy talk. Pebble might be the greatest value in golf. $500 for a top ten golf course is short money compared to what you’d pay for any of its peers. I bet pebble has the lowest revenue per round of any top 25 course.

Bandon? Kiawah? What resort courses charge more than $500 to play?


Whistling Straits.

Edited by Roadking2003, 19 November 2017 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2017 - 10:58 AM

This is clearly one of those personal, subjective, relative questions about value.  Has anyone here spent $500/person for dinner at a 3 star Michelin restaurant? Anyone paid to fly business class?  Bought any piece of art?

There is no correct answer.  All opinions that aren't worth anything to anyone else.

That said, I say Pebble charges what's it's worth given it's standing in the golf world.  Like some have said, it's like a world class "private" course that allows public play.  Compared to the best courses in the world, it's a steal to have the opportunity to play it.

Its a one time play bucket list course for me, eventually.  All of my golf trip money is tied up in an annual Bandon trip (low season best value in golf!).
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 02:40 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 19 November 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 18 November 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 17 November 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 17 November 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

View PostPlayingThrough824, on 17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

I'm not sure if what it costs now would be worth it. Being able to go to Scotland and play a bunch of great links courses seems like a better experience and value

I'm not sure Pebble Beach would ever stand up on the value scale. There are a lot of excellent courses that are far less expensive. For me the course was about the experience. It has hosted numerous professional tournaments, including a boatload of majors. The views are stunning. The grounds are almost sacred ground.

I think this is crazy talk. Pebble might be the greatest value in golf. $500 for a top ten golf course is short money compared to what you’d pay for any of its peers. I bet pebble has the lowest revenue per round of any top 25 course.

Bandon? Kiawah? What resort courses charge more than $500 to play?


Whistling Straits.

$490 peak season

Five dollars less than Pebble.
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 02:52 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 19 November 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:


$490 peak season

Five dollars less than Pebble.

Doesn't that make Pebble a comparative good value?

Not to derail the thread, but what's the worst value in public golf? Cascata at $425?

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 05:37 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 19 November 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 19 November 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:


$490 peak season

Five dollars less than Pebble.

Doesn't that make Pebble a comparative good value?

Not to derail the thread, but what's the worst value in public golf? Cascata at $425?

TPC Scottsdale at ~$325 rack rate has to take the cake. Terrible value for a mediocore golf course on the national scale. It's only benefit is winter golf and a PGA stop.

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