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Posted 29 January 2018 - 11:39 PM

 TollBros, on 29 January 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

 kyle316, on 28 January 2018 - 05:17 AM, said:

How does the Kuro Kage DC XT compare to the retail XT?

Dual Core XT is a bit lower spin, smoother, more linear feel, and most of all it has this strange feel property that makes it feel stiffer the harder you swing. It has been reported by many members here, and is a big reason so many guys love it.

Just curious how much, is a bit?

Also, thanks for all the info youve put out on this forum, its really cool to see quantifiable data from multiple tests on how a product performs

Edited by campion, 29 January 2018 - 11:41 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:05 AM

One of the best threads

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:01 AM

 campion, on 29 January 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 29 January 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

 kyle316, on 28 January 2018 - 05:17 AM, said:

How does the Kuro Kage DC XT compare to the retail XT?

Dual Core XT is a bit lower spin, smoother, more linear feel, and most of all it has this strange feel property that makes it feel stiffer the harder you swing. It has been reported by many members here, and is a big reason so many guys love it.

Just curious how much, is a "bit"?

Also, thanks for all the info you've put out on this forum, it's really cool to see quantifiable data from multiple tests on how a product performs

I can't really give that data out. There are a lot of things that we just cannot release, simply because the testing done on those products was the result of customer submissions, either by clients on their own products, or clients submitting competitor products for comparison. Logistically it creates a lot of puddles I can't step in. Let's just say it's enough to make a difference.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 04:16 PM

JT- what is the word on the new KK XD shafts to be released?  Are they a retail version of the KKDC Tx?
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 06:56 PM

I am looking at the tensei pro orange shaft and I am curious on what I should do.   I currently swing at roughly 105-108.   I am using a hzrdus black 6.0 in the 70 gram version in my cobra ltd pro and like it, curious if I go with the orange in the f8+, if I should tip it a half inch in the 70 stiff or go up in flex and lighter and no tipping. Thoughts please.  I know that's not a lot of info.  If I don't like the orange will throw the hzrdus black in.  Thanks.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 07:25 PM

 terapins, on 01 February 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

I am looking at the tensei pro orange shaft and I am curious on what I should do.   I currently swing at roughly 105-108.   I am using a hzrdus black 6.0 in the 70 gram version in my cobra ltd pro and like it, curious if I go with the orange in the f8+, if I should tip it a half inch in the 70 stiff or go up in flex and lighter and no tipping. Thoughts please.  I know that's not a lot of info.  If I don't like the orange will throw the hzrdus black in.  Thanks.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 07:43 PM

 manima1, on 01 February 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

JT- what is the word on the new KK XD shafts to be released?  Are they a retail version of the KKDC Tx?

It is a different shaft but the objective is the same. It has less torque than dual core XT and a bit different Tini wire makeup in the construction. They have similar objectives but they are not the same shaft.
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Posted 04 February 2018 - 09:29 PM

On the MRC website, it looks like there's a tensei pro red, which is expectedly high launch/mid spin. On the ei chart it looks like a stiffer tip than the blue though, even though it's supposed to he higher launch. Anyone hit the red?
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 06:12 PM

I was able to pick up a black mamba 60tx pull out.  I was searching for a new lower spin shaft because my driver was just not working, turned out I had a caved face...so now I got a new driver head that works, and a black mamba...looks sick in the ESZ...question.....were the x torsion pre MRC merger days or after?  Hope this one is the ticket...first observations are it doesn't feel that stout, but need to play on course....cheers.

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 09:05 PM

 Deuce78, on 08 February 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

I was able to pick up a black mamba 60tx pull out.  I was searching for a new lower spin shaft because my driver was just not working, turned out I had a caved face...so now I got a new driver head that works, and a black mamba...looks sick in the ESZ...question.....were the x torsion pre MRC merger days or after?  Hope this one is the ticket...first observations are it doesn't feel that stout, but need to play on course....cheers.

Hope yours works out.  I got a 70TX from TollBros a little while ago.  I haven't had chance to put it in a driver as I'm considering a new driver.  I also just reshafted my irons, wedges, and hybrid, so the driver hasn't been at the top of my list.  Additionally, weather has been nice and not so nice (Texas weather) so haven't played too much.  Should be playing quite a bit more the end of this month and will in March.

As soon as I get the black mamba going I'll give my thoughts.  I currently have a kuro kage XT I play now, so I'm used to playing lower spin shafts.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:27 AM

For someone who battles a hook due to getting too quick, would butt soft tip stiff be a better solution or butt stiff tip soft???
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:43 AM

 Pomps, on 11 February 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

For someone who battles a hook due to getting too quick, would butt soft tip stiff be a better solution or butt stiff tip soft???

I’d think butt soft, tip stiff (like a Tensei Pro White) would be what you’d wanna avoid. The feel can make timing very difficult if you don’t have a consistent release. One of the testers said you feel like you may have to flip it to save the shot, which could lead to that big left miss.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:47 AM

 Bomber_11, on 11 February 2018 - 09:43 AM, said:

 Pomps, on 11 February 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

For someone who battles a hook due to getting too quick, would butt soft tip stiff be a better solution or butt stiff tip soft???

I’d think butt soft, tip stiff (like a Tensei Pro White) would be what you’d wanna avoid. The feel can make timing very difficult if you don’t have a consistent release. One of the testers said you feel like you may have to flip it to save the shot, which could lead to that big left miss.

I can get a bit too in to out and hit some flip hooks myself and I really like the Tensei CK PRO white. Very smooth feeling and one of the best shafts I have tried in recent years.
I tried the Orange V3 but just didn't like it at all.
My favourite shaft and one of the smoothest feeling is the T1100 HZRDUS. This is even better than the Tensei White for me.
I know some say it feels boardy but I find it silky smooth and very low spin.
I add weight so that it ends up the same sw as a standard shaft which is D-5 for me.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:05 AM

I have the v3 as well in my TI M2. I'm not getting along with it too well. It doesn't feel great and a I haven't experienced the increased ball speed over most other shafts. I've tried adding no weight and letting it play at a lighter sw, adding all the weight, some of the weight, etc. Just hasn't benefitted me the same as a lot of the other reports. I basically have the same ball speed, launch and spin numbers with it.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:52 AM

 Pomps, on 11 February 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

I have the v3 as well in my TI M2. I'm not getting along with it too well. It doesn't feel great and a I haven't experienced the increased ball speed over most other shafts. I've tried adding no weight and letting it play at a lighter sw, adding all the weight, some of the weight, etc. Just hasn't benefitted me the same as a lot of the other reports. I basically have the same ball speed, launch and spin numbers with it.

I was actually slightly shorter with the V3 than both CKP White and the T1100 and just didn't like the feel as much as the other two.
I had been quite exited about trying the V3 because I like the counterbalanced T1100 a lot but it didn't work for me. Some seem to get on great with it though.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 12:17 PM

Can anyone compare the atmos 7x vs the 8tx?  I had a 7x in my cobra f7+ but looking at something similar with a slightly stiffer profile for my f8+...any other recommendations would be appreciated

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:53 PM

I have a used DC XT TX TM tip if interested?

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:20 PM

 Pomps, on 11 February 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

I have the v3 as well in my TI M2. I'm not getting along with it too well. It doesn't feel great and a I haven't experienced the increased ball speed over most other shafts. I've tried adding no weight and letting it play at a lighter sw, adding all the weight, some of the weight, etc. Just hasn't benefitted me the same as a lot of the other reports. I basically have the same ball speed, launch and spin numbers with it.

For guys sensitive to feel, some can release the club differently based on that. I've seen a few anomalies where players launched a softer tip shaft lower with less spin than tip stiff because they didn't get along with the feel and would release early. There are some players who subconsciously release differently based on feel. You could be one of those guys.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:45 PM

 TollBros, on 12 February 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

 Pomps, on 11 February 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

I have the v3 as well in my TI M2. I'm not getting along with it too well. It doesn't feel great and a I haven't experienced the increased ball speed over most other shafts. I've tried adding no weight and letting it play at a lighter sw, adding all the weight, some of the weight, etc. Just hasn't benefitted me the same as a lot of the other reports. I basically have the same ball speed, launch and spin numbers with it.

For guys sensitive to feel, some can release the club differently based on that. I've seen a few anomalies where players launched a softer tip shaft lower with less spin than tip stiff because they didn't get along with the feel and would release early. There are some players who subconsciously release differently based on feel. You could be one of those guys.

Late release guys benefit from softer tips.  A buddy is like that.  Former mini tour player and plays a Mitsu Blue profil shaft and spins it significantly less then the white.  Odd.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:52 PM

 TollBros, on 12 February 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

 Pomps, on 11 February 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

I have the v3 as well in my TI M2. I'm not getting along with it too well. It doesn't feel great and a I haven't experienced the increased ball speed over most other shafts. I've tried adding no weight and letting it play at a lighter sw, adding all the weight, some of the weight, etc. Just hasn't benefitted me the same as a lot of the other reports. I basically have the same ball speed, launch and spin numbers with it.

For guys sensitive to feel, some can release the club differently based on that. I've seen a few anomalies where players launched a softer tip shaft lower with less spin than tip stiff because they didn't get along with the feel and would release early. There are some players who subconsciously release differently based on feel. You could be one of those guys.

It very well could be me me. As I've noted, I launch and spin the pro blue the same as the v3 which shouldn't typically be.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:37 AM

Does anyone know what the torque is on the dual core XT?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:24 AM

I would like to give the dual core xt tx a try, my transition can be very quick...currently have an atmos and a tensei Pro White but not loving either

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:47 PM

 TollBros, on 13 July 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

 Long knocker, on 13 July 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

The only thing I need to decide on is which weight configuration I prefer for each. With the PO it's between 20 and 24  grams. I have not had a chance to hone in the DC yet.

Don't be afraid to leave the pro orange lighter swingweight wise. I played the kkdc XT at D2 and play the PO at D0.5. PO head weight is actually a couple grams heavier but I found matching swingweight just made the shaft too soft feeling.

Maybe I should try this. My old shaft, KK XT, I played at d4. Thus, I've been testing the v3 at what measure at just I've over d4. Maybe I should try it a touch lighter.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:32 PM

 Pomps, on 13 February 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

Does anyone know what the torque is on the dual core XT?

Right around 3.0.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:33 PM

 Pomps, on 13 February 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 13 July 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

 Long knocker, on 13 July 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

The only thing I need to decide on is which weight configuration I prefer for each. With the PO it's between 20 and 24  grams. I have not had a chance to hone in the DC yet.

Don't be afraid to leave the pro orange lighter swingweight wise. I played the kkdc XT at D2 and play the PO at D0.5. PO head weight is actually a couple grams heavier but I found matching swingweight just made the shaft too soft feeling.

Maybe I should try this. My old shaft, KK XT, I played at d4. Thus, I've been testing the v3 at what measure at just I've over d4. Maybe I should try it a touch lighter.

I find that most people don't like adding the full 6 grams to make up for the counterbance. Try half that to start with.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:43 PM

 TollBros, on 13 February 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

 Pomps, on 13 February 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 13 July 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

 Long knocker, on 13 July 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

The only thing I need to decide on is which weight configuration I prefer for each. With the PO it's between 20 and 24  grams. I have not had a chance to hone in the DC yet.

Don't be afraid to leave the pro orange lighter swingweight wise. I played the kkdc XT at D2 and play the PO at D0.5. PO head weight is actually a couple grams heavier but I found matching swingweight just made the shaft too soft feeling.

Maybe I should try this. My old shaft, KK XT, I played at d4. Thus, I've been testing the v3 at what measure at just I've over d4. Maybe I should try it a touch lighter.

I find that most people don't like adding the full 6 grams to make up for the counterbance. Try half that to start with.

Since we’re asking counter balancing questions — would you recommend adding tape to the T1100?  I also have the Pro Orange, and want to be sure I’m fairly comparing the two as I decide which one to game on my M2.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:11 PM

Toll bro- I’m debating on pulling the trigger on the Kk dc xt tx.  I’m playing the Kuro Kage xts as of right now could you tell me if I’m going to see a big difference going from the xts to the dc xt tx?!

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:15 PM

 WAxORxDCxSC, on 13 February 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 13 February 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

 Pomps, on 13 February 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 13 July 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

 Long knocker, on 13 July 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

The only thing I need to decide on is which weight configuration I prefer for each. With the PO it's between 20 and 24  grams. I have not had a chance to hone in the DC yet.

Don't be afraid to leave the pro orange lighter swingweight wise. I played the kkdc XT at D2 and play the PO at D0.5. PO head weight is actually a couple grams heavier but I found matching swingweight just made the shaft too soft feeling.

Maybe I should try this. My old shaft, KK XT, I played at d4. Thus, I've been testing the v3 at what measure at just I've over d4. Maybe I should try it a touch lighter.

I find that most people don't like adding the full 6 grams to make up for the counterbance. Try half that to start with.

Since we’re asking counter balancing questions — would you recommend adding tape to the T1100?  I also have the Pro Orange, and want to be sure I’m fairly comparing the two as I decide which one to game on my M2.

I ended up adding enough to make the SW my usual level with the T1100.
Might not be the method that suits everyone but I love the T1100 in my M2 like that.

Edited by Gem, 13 February 2018 - 06:48 PM.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:22 PM

 WAxORxDCxSC, on 13 February 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 13 February 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

 Pomps, on 13 February 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

 TollBros, on 13 July 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

 Long knocker, on 13 July 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

The only thing I need to decide on is which weight configuration I prefer for each. With the PO it's between 20 and 24  grams. I have not had a chance to hone in the DC yet.

Don't be afraid to leave the pro orange lighter swingweight wise. I played the kkdc XT at D2 and play the PO at D0.5. PO head weight is actually a couple grams heavier but I found matching swingweight just made the shaft too soft feeling.

Maybe I should try this. My old shaft, KK XT, I played at d4. Thus, I've been testing the v3 at what measure at just I've over d4. Maybe I should try it a touch lighter.

I find that most people don't like adding the full 6 grams to make up for the counterbance. Try half that to start with.

Since were asking counter balancing questions would you recommend adding tape to the T1100?  I also have the Pro Orange, and want to be sure Im fairly comparing the two as I decide which one to game on my M2.

Yes you may need to add some to the t1100 as well.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:24 PM

 Mario Good Times, on 13 February 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

Toll bro- Im debating on pulling the trigger on the Kk dc xt tx.  Im playing the Kuro Kage xts as of right now could you tell me if Im going to see a big difference going from the xts to the dc xt tx?!

The dual core will spin a bit less but it's the feel sensation that everyone comments on. The shafts feels very smoothe when you swing easy but gets the sensation of getting stiffer the harder you swing. You should see lower spin and slightly more consistentcy with the dual core from a performance perspective as well.

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